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Your Character or Steam Name: Chekhov / Malik Ali Your Discord ID#: johnnysacrimoni Reason for ban: RDM Length of ban: 3 days Reason for appeal (dispute/apology): Dispute Why should you be unbanned? From the moment I & the other members of the Nation of Islam (prospective) faction got on, we were targeted by random players for being a black faction; whilst obviously I'm not complaining about this from an OOC perspective, it's salient to me 'RDMing' someone. We were called '1942 RPers' and degenerates on the forums by Anzati, followed around by the police, and, admittedly upon our instigation, antagonised by a group of Jews. At some point during this, some of our members were shot by the police - although this was valid, Anzati started to repeatedly charkick Shittor (on his NoI char, which was involved with the situation) whilst he was engaged roleplaying with the police, telling him to take the PK tickets for the aforementioned situation. Shortly after, one of the Jews who had a weapon pistol whipped Andrew, nearly killing him, spamming the N word at us, and then following us as we looked for a place to talk privately; we ended up going to the crackhouse, where we'd bought a door. I repeatedly told him during this time period to leave. Eventually, he got bored and went off to do whatever it is he does all night. Around 15 minutes later, I saw two of the Jews running towards the door to our crackhouse with a gun out. I told them (at gunpoint) not to enter the building, assuming they were here to kill us. They'd also taken off their clothes and were now wearing the default white shirts. They entered anyway, and I shot one of them. In the server rules, it says returning to a situation to kill someone who'd attacked you or a 'partner' is permissible; however, I was brought to a sit for killing him. The moderator, SkyzerBeFr, told me that it doesn't matter that he'd done damage to us, since 15 minutes was too long to be relevant, and that I apparently hadn't met his arbitrary boundary of '3 warnings' within propinquity of the last time he ran at us (not specified in the rules) to be allowed to kill the guy. He didn't bring Andrew, he didn't take into consideration us being combat baited, and said due to my 'POs' and 'not learning my lesson' that I would be banned for three days. At this point, Shittor teleported to the sit, asking to talk to Skyzer. After telling him not to ban me, he was brought by Anzati and yelled at for interceding in a situation he would have bias in (despite this apparently being acceptable for the purposes of a PK). Afterwards, I was brought back to the sit and banned for 3 days. Additional Information (images, videos, etc):

Your Character or Steam Name: Iamcubandoll Your SteamID (Click to retrieve): STEAM_0:0:747939697 Your Discord ID#: cubannskii Reason for ban: too many notes? Length of ban: perma Reason for appeal (dispute/apology): i am not apologizing for anything, i will try my best to not say nono word Why should you be unbanned? i am funny bc i say the n word Additional Information (images, videos, etc):

+1. Punishing players for resolving a simple issue with a rational response both in and out of RP is not an intelligent move, and encourages this type of behavior. This type of behavior, of course, being that you may harass and discourage RP as much as possible, but so long as you are not reported, or you toe that line, you can get others in trouble by simply playing the babe in the woods card and feigning innocence. That isn't fair to the people who actually contribute to and play the server. This is, at the absolute most, warranting only a warning that there was potentially alternative action. However, any active player of the server can attest that people get shot much more often for much less. Guns are often pulled for absolutely no reason, so a 30-minute-long harassment and minging campaign culminating in someone being shot is absolutely reasonable. Staff now often advocate for ruleplay over roleplay, in my opinion, and strict adherence to what is written rather than an application of reason. This makes me incredibly sad to see. Just the other day, I was speaking with the fine folks in the top levels of the NOI about how RP could be implemented between the NOI and government, and they expressed interest in real systems and real interactions to share that possibility with the server at large. Banning them for this is silly and ignorant.

+1. This specific group of people followed us around for probably 30 minutes with absolutely no intent to roleplay. I won't play holy -- we certainly egged them on in the beginning by visiting what we thought was still the bank, but once I saw it wasn't the bank anymore we left. Words were exchanged but nothing on our end compared to the harassment that followed that in no way could be considered roleplay in any form. Everything we did stayed in roleplay and I took no issue with the original dispute between both ourselves and the other group. We apologized to the police for things getting out of hand, the police responded calling us minges and then disappeared in front of us to get two of us pked, still not a major issue. I understand that when the NOI comes back and shakes things up, this kind of response is to be expected. I understand staff think we're minges or '42 larpers' (yet are ironically not the ones spamming racial slurs in IC chat)I take no particular issue with following us around spamming said slurs, calling the police on us any time we tried to isolate ourselves from said harassment, and ultimately following us into the crackhouse, weapons drawn, in white shirts to try and initiate a gunfight, and then it ultimately ending in a gunfight once our constant warnings to stop following us for 30 minutes and pistol whipping some of our people and running away are ignored. All of this would be fine and dismissed as them 'trolling' us after it could be argued we were just as responsible for starting the confrontation, but it definitely isn't appropriate to then play the victim and get one of us banned (of all people, Cordelier, who for the entire time we were on tonight was actively trying to prevent any confrontation, violence, or anything considered rulebreaking) after borderline minging and following us around for half an hour. Despite the hit-and-run pistol-whipping and punchwhoring, verbal and text spamming which was absolutely not roleplay while following us while we attempted to continue roleplaying, and much more, we only finally resorted to shooting once all of these prior warnings were absolutely disregarded and they continued to follow us, guns drawn, clothes unequipped, and rushing us. This is not roleplay and it is perfectly reasonable to finally shoot the people who have been warned/threatened a multitude of times for the past 30 minutes to stop following us and attacking some of us to the point of almost dying. Responding to that behavior, regardless of any prior offenses, absolutely does not constitute a 3 day ban. I'm positive many staff members were watching the situation unfold so I find it strange that unless it was out of dislike for us, responding to that kind of long-term aggression would have gotten of all people Cordelier banned, someone who can't even be framed as someone who just recently joined the server and has no intend to take it seriously. I can't imagine such a rash ban would have been given to any other group -- if we were killed after such a long joyride of harassment we would have been disregarded as minges who deserved to be killed. Engaging in such a long term conflict with a group of people, harassing them (even spamming the n-word in the sit), hitting them, and then finally switching out of your clothing and rushing them with weapons cannot be taken in any kind of way other than a continuation of the aggression that had been going on for such a long period of time.

Your video shows the guy with a whiteshirt on running in with a gun after having attacked us prior, as you yourself just showed, saying 'whats up pussy'. Apparently prior context is completely irrelevant to you, but it isn't in the rules that the attack has to have happened at the same place and there's no requirement for our warnings to them to have been within 30 seconds of the dumbasses running inside with guns. We'd been warning them for 30 minutes.

+1 These "jews" were following us around spamming "N**GER" in the /yell, unironically minging. If you checked the chat logs, you would see they spammed "N**GER" around 50~ times. After this, they pistol whip Andrew and run away. Then, they follow us around and harass us non-stop. They refuse to let us engage in roleplay or meet in private, and they follow us all the way to the crack-house where we buy a door and threaten them that unless they leave, they will die. Keep in mind, these people have followed us around despite MULTIPLE warnings to leave or we will fuck them up, they pistol-whipped Andrew, and then they came back as White Shirts and they refused to leave under pain of death. They fully knew what they were doing, and I think its odd they can go around minging and then stand on some pedestal when they get shot.

So, we can see you did infact pay kickups through logs. I have reviewed the messages you sent, a big thing however is, it is clear you missed kickups. Which does harm the faction/family you are in. You arrange through dms, to make a time. They accept the time, meet with you, you pay them, and then they order your death. Reviewing the PK guidelines "The person in question, has repeatedly done something to directly harm you, the family, or another member of the family" "Continued and repeated (despite warnings) poor behaviour, misconduct, violation of your family rules or even blatant disrespect of made men in your organization." While you are guilty of harm, you are not guilty of repeated harm and as no other reason was given besides failing to pay kickups, which you did. This PK appeal will be accepted on these grounds and you will be placed in the civ faction with any rp relating to your exit voided. EDIT: Or it would have been unpked, however you appear to have deleted the character making is unrecoverable.

Hi, banning admin here! Let's go through this point by point together. Yes, you were not brought into a staff sit. Why? There was no reason too. I had taken the time to collect the evidence confirming what had happened. As you already explained here, it was someone you admitted to knowing OOCly that you gave a firearm too illegally. This was already confirmed during my investigation and would have just been reiterated during a sit. Yes, that is this clip here which was given during the initial report. In it, you approach who was identified as @ix_crazy_xi while consulting with other staff who recognized him. The reason it took two days, not three, is because with your history I knew this could turn into this, a permanent ban so I did my due diligence. During that time I uncovered quit a bit of unsavory evidence. First, it was in fact your other char (Alphonso "Neph" Varese) that gave his char (Bobo Salamon) the Skorpion as confirmed with these logs here. Second, I ensured I checked both that i had the correct name and char ID before checking if he had a valid class 3 license. Confirming the correct char here and firearms registry here. So, after confirming that you knew he was illegally carrying that gun and then calling off the RP after you knew it would get back your other char; that is the definition of metagame. Straight from our own rules page for rule abbreviations - "Metagame = Using Out of Character information In-Character" In this server it is common knowledge, practice, and enforced that anything over voice unless in a staff sit is always apart of RP and to be considered IC and can be acted upon as. In this clip you are not in a staff sit. You are clearly in RP in front of the Continental hotel. This again is by definition metagame. You would not be the one pressing charges, the DA's office would be. At that point it would be out of your hands as soon as an investigation is opened. You have been around long enough, played cop long enough you know this is not the situation. Also, is not power game. It is RP being brought about from IC interactions, not someone forcing you into RP by planting evidence or false reports. Quite frankly it is not an over reaction. It is the result of you knowing the rules and repeatedly breaking them countless times over and now facing consequences for them. You were already permabanned before in the past and was granted grace to return to the server. Even after your return, you have continued to RDM, promote others RDMing, and metagaming on multiple occasions. Here and here, is your list of notes. You will see on this list you have multiple counts of metagame. Those multiple counts of metagame start to look even worse when you look at your ban history which can be found here. You came back from your permaban and continued to metagame, get banned for it repeatedly and even RDM and get banned for it repeatedly. You have been given countless chances to show us you have learned from your mistakes and to become a valued member of this community yet have continuously failed to do so. Your actions have escalating consequences in this community and unfortunately you have now reached the highest level potential rehabilitation we can offer to players for the second time.

Being that this was your main character, and you were mugging on your main character, I believe that there's an issue with labelling you as a mugging character. Typically a mugging character would be seen as an alternative character that you take the risk of mugging on to create an imbalance in the risk, causing low risk for the mugger and high risk for the mugged, or a situation where you get pked for mugging and then make a new character and immediately start again. In a situation where it's your main character, the risk is more balanced.

if this posts gets 50 -1s i will mass mug this entire guys "faction"

If you're super tall you can't climb in and out of windows like people who are shorter. It's an annoyance that exists for no reason. Heads clip through windows anyways so it wouldn't make any difference to anyone's immersion.

The yapping is insatiable. Irrelevant and with no bearing on the context of the sit / ban. True and real. Again, irrelevant to the sit and RDM report. Also somewhat irrelevant, though I find the prospect of being yelled at by anzati of all people funny ( he doesn't yell ) Shittor can give input to skyzer without directly interfering with and interrupting a sit in the manner he did. The reality here is pretty clear, your group were entering properties and starting issues with people and initiating conflicts and those groups of people were, in turn, doing that to you as well. Effectively beefing, though escalation with a non-existent faction is more difficult, it's still possible. This simply should have been a roleplay beef that was handled on the streets, within rules, your claims of having been previously attacked and told to be left alone would validate the kill but this can't be verified without providing contextualizing clips. That being said the clip supplied by the ticket maker would be an insufficient length to demonstrate proper context (0:07) and the administrator should have requested a longer clip from the TM, as is encouraged. This lack of provable context further lends to your claim regarding earlier interactions and the damage log from 10 minutes prior seems to support that. Both groups should have been given a warning to quit harassing each other and that should have been that. This situation does highlight a problem in the rules regarding reasonable time limits to return to attack someone who damaged you, which will be amended. I find this rule to be potentially relevant to this situation on both sides of the issue. I think the prospective NOI group shouldn't be harassing people on their property if they don't want to be perceived as a minge group and I believe the groups opposing them should not bait them into kills then report them to staff. Duke it out or don't engage at all. tl;dr do better RP, quit sitting in a call giggling while harassing ppl then dogpiling reply guy-esque paragraphs onto an appeal. This all can be handled in roleplay or via simple mutual warns.

+1 comic relief for server

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braaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaap my belly is so full of big green gas and farts prrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrttttttt i ate so many stinky foods and now im just so full of belches and farts and big green gas clouds my belly is so big and fat and inflated

Wait until this guy plays CoD Realism is always a good thing, but never when its over the top. I think scaling the damage based on calibers would be too much.

My penbis. 2 inchex wide

Just adds a third revenue stream for them to grind while they wait on their drug shipment, risk is the same, no real balance consideration is had.

If this post gets 50 +1s i will drop @JJ_ Medical Records to expose his real height (Its really low)!!!!

+1 Two year old ban for NITRP, people change, it is reasonable to let him back in.

+1 @Pendred work your magic

Yes!!!! She brings so much life to the server, minge or not, she gives us something to do!! Shes diverges punching bag!!! Please let her back so she can minge, and i can RDM her!!! +2