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+1 this guy is cute and funny irl so I trust him to moderate

For a valid mug, you’re required to issue clear demands and give a realistic amount of time to comply/react. Saying “hands, hands” and then shooting 2-3 seconds later does not meet that requirement. Removing a gun from safety is not defined as non compliance or aggression in the rules. You fired before confirming refusal to comply and before establishing Fear RP properly or even to check if he had a gun with him or not. That’s why the shot is invalid rule wise as how I explained it.

+1 this would be awesome

I get it, the gun's really small and I can see how you'd mistake the gun on my back for being the one I was using (thinking that since it was still on my back I hadn't pulled out a gun) but I keep that gun on my back cuz I think it looks cool lol. I could reasonably see myself making the same mistake, but nevertheless the pk shouldn't apply.

Yeah it definetly looks like it could have been a mistake on my end. Where the gun was so small maybe I just missed it because the clip looks like it could have blended it with your jacket. It didn't help that you had a big gun on your back so maybe I just missed the pistol, not sure. If that is the case sorry for all the confusion.

The gun was already out, and I never shot a single bullet. by the time I processed that I was being mugged I was already dead. I was not given the opportunity to comply (although even if I had, I wouldn't have needed to comply due to the fact that I had already had my gun out, but that's beside the point), if I was given a chance to comply I would have complied. It was also not the only issue with the mugging, as you can see in my original post.

Must have been a typo as I did put this appeal together rather quickly. I think I meant no more mugging chars. As the ban was for a mugging char when I raided pd. I would like to clarify that they called it a mugging char for raiding pd and not mugging people. So, my ban wasn't related to mugging. For everything else I said, is absolutely true. I've been roleplaying on the server ever since my ban and have been abiding by the rules.

"Don't order them to do something then shoot them < 5 seconds later, barely have time to comply". Your so right and I appologize for shooting someone that was trying to pull a gun and kill me during a mugging. Are u stupid?

Overall, this is just a messy situation. The individual was given only one warning, which does not make him PK-active under the rules. 3) If you're holding someone under Fear RP and issue them orders/warnings not to do something and they disobey you may kill them. However, one single warning/order will not suffice, multiple warnings in a very short time span will also not suffice. You have to give them adequate time to react. Also breaks mugging rule 11 You may only kill the victim if they DO NOT comply with your demands. Victims that comply are to be left unharmed. Likewise you may only make realistic demands, this means you can’t demand something unrealistic that the victim cannot deliver in order to kill them. Give them a realistic amount of time to comply. Don't order them to do something then shoot them < 5 seconds later, they barely have time to comply. In the clip, from his perspective, you can clearly see people pulling out guns on him while he already had a weapon visible. In the video, it’s evident that he was carrying a gun, and for a brief moment he takes it off safety. If he had actually attempted to pull the gun out, it would have taken significantly longer and been much more obvious. That never happened. On top of that, another Fear RP rule is broken: 11) Fearrp no longer applies when you shoot and/or damage the victim, they may retaliate without risk. You shot him first, within roughly 1–2 seconds after issuing the warning not to move. Fear RP was immediateely voided the moment shots were fired. I see this situation more of a rdm than a mug if anything and then they proceed to use OOC matters IC.

all seems very bad faith and poorly executed to me yeah

"can you clip that" does that not just invalidate the pk itself

+1, knew him on Mexican Border RP

Exactly my point.

+1 good dude

+1 Love the Idea!

+1 the Problem Solving section should be a bit longer but, he did good.

Rare toast zinger

Well Well Well...

+1 Good guy, knows the rules and isn't a minge.

One of the more serious ones in SOS and shown great RP in the past +1

Fart smella or a smart fella? +1

+1 Gecko is an experienced player, and has been part of the community for a good while now. Having been in a few different factions with him, I know he has the ability to create some decent roleplay. The application could do with some more detail around the MCs backstory, but that shouldn't be the deciding factor in my opinion. Having two MCs, would be interesting and may allow the factions create some good roleplay between them. Overall, I think a second MC isn't a bad idea from a roleplay perspective, although my FPS disagrees with all of the above. - Dong

As the person that initiated this mugging in my mind I was almost 100% sure he didn't have a gun out and sadly my medal didn't clip the altercation so I can't provide a second POV. I will say with the quality of the clip and the angle it's hard to say if he had his gun out from this clip. I personally went frame by frame and it looks about 50/50. I think for just the fact that you can't tell in the clip along with the bad angle and quality it would make sense that this gets appealed. It looks about 50/50 when you go frame by frame. You really can't tell whether it's his shirt or a gun in certain frames. In this freeze frame you can't tell if thats his shirt or a gun

+1 Interacted with a few members of this faction over the years (as-well as recently) and they are a mature and motivated group. From what I've seen they have a good understanding of what it takes to create good roleplay, internally and externally. Faction application isn't perfect, but none of them are. Could do with being reformatted and some more detail in certain areas. But I do like how the application gives a solid timeline with dates included, as well as it being well thought-out with referenced links. Overall, solid application. Would like to see how a British faction would do in today's New York. Fox has set the bar high. - Dong