Rocco pk appeal

[its_dotson]

Name of Character: Rocco Sacrimoni

Character ID:  196230 (unsure but probably it)

SteamID: 76561199864149296

Your Discord ID#: 298613226080305152

Date of PK: July 2nd 2026

Reason for PK: Supposed fearRP 

Why should you be unPK'd? What server rule or PK rule was violated?: 

"You may only kill the victim if they DO NOT comply with your demands. Victims that comply are to be left unharmed. 

1. Likewise you may only make realistic demands, this means you can’t demand something unrealistic that the victim cannot deliver in order to kill them. Give them a realistic amount of time to comply. Don't order them to do something then shoot them < 5 seconds later, they barely have time to comply."
    

You can see in my clip that I was running along past the laundromat, I was first engaged by the muggers at about the 6 second mark, when I heard the muggers finish their first command during the 6 second mark, I stopped, trying to process the situation. They ordered me to come back, so at around the 9-10 second mark, you can see that I started walking towards them, complying. They then, for the exactly 4/4.5 second delay in my processing of their commands in this stressful situation, they shot me- while I was starting to comply.

The server rules explicitly explain that "Don't order them to do something then shoot them < 5 seconds later, they barely have time to comply." The mugging that resulted in the death of my character, where I started to comply and was given barely even 5 seconds to process the situation does not align with this rule's understanding of how muggings should work. I was given too little time to comply, and at the moment of my death at the 10 second mark (~4 seconds from the end of the first verbal command), I was complying.

 

"You may not mug in a public place, you can, however, pull a weapon on them and bring them to a secluded area to rob them (This can only be done when there is no one else around. EXAMPLE: The victim is alone at night in the middle of an empty street. You initiate a mugging with your firearm and take them to an alleyway so no one stumbles upon the crime. You may not perform the mugging in the street, which is a public area.)"

 

The mugging was not performed in a secluded enough area. You can see in my clip that I was walking along the sidewalk adjacent to rockefeller, a fairly public place- and while if rockefeller is unoccupied it would be fair to mug in an empty street, there was literally a police car just down from the mugging watching it taking place, which you can see in my clip. My mugging was not done in private, was done in a location where someone "stumbles upon the crime" something that is explicitly disallowed as not a valid mugging location in the rules.

You can see the police car in the 9ish second mark approaching from behind the pillar on the side of the road, and, after I was sent to the hospital, at the 15 second mark- you can hear "Lieutenant Danny Silvershine" calling out shots fired on the radio. You can also see people just down the street in view, in the same direction of the police car- who would be able to see the crime. In NO WAY was this a secluded incident, where the mugging was done in a "public place", and the only exception for mugging in such a location, where "no one else around" is observed to be true- is false.

 

Ultimately, the mugging was not done in an appropriate location, and I was not given enough time to comply (which I was doing anyways when they shot me if you watch my clip closely). I was given less than 5 seconds to comply, which server rules specifies is not enough time, and the mugging was done too publicly for a PK to be issued. Server rules gives the victim of a mugging this buffer time to respond to avoid a needless death of a valued character, I was not given this time, nor was I afforded the consideration of an appropriate location for mugging RP, seeing as the location was fairly public, and nowhere near "secluded".

If possible please provide video evidence or photo evidence if PK does not follow the guidelines:

https://medal.tv/games/garrys-mod/clips/n1TnA2zTlFfgk2X6n?invite=cr-MSw0dmUsNDUxMjY4Mjc3

[Akira]

Hello, the guy who PK'd you here.

You may only kill the victim if they DO NOT comply with your demands. Victims that comply are to be left unharmed. 

Likewise you may only make realistic demands, this means you can’t demand something unrealistic that the victim cannot deliver in order to kill them. Give them a realistic amount of time to comply. Don't order them to do something then shoot them < 5 seconds later, they barely have time to comply."

First of all, I'd like to point out that your first argument is completely baseless. I pulled my gun on you, gave you clear commands, and the entire situation lasted around 9–10 seconds. You can verify that yourself by counting from the 2-second mark of the clip. If you're walking around in a yellow zone while watching or listening to something in the background instead of paying attention to the game, and you fail to notice someone pointing a gun at you and attempting to initiate FearRP, that's not my fault. That's your responsibility.

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"You may not mug in a public place, you can, however, pull a weapon on them and bring them to a secluded area to rob them (This can only be done when there is no one else around. EXAMPLE: The victim is alone at night in the middle of an empty street. You initiate a mugging with your firearm and take them to an alleyway so no one stumbles upon the crime. You may not perform the mugging in the street, which is a public area.)"

As for your second argument, this mugging did not take place in an invalid area. As you can see in the screenshot I uploaded, the incident happened in a yellow zone, where players are allowed to initiate FearRP against each other. Instead of complying with the commands of someone pointing a gun at your head in an alley, you chose to stand there and do nothing.

I'd also like to point out that I didn't even initiate the mugging in the middle of the street. I initiated it from behind with my gun pointed at the back of your head inside an alley, and you tried to run away. It would've been impossible for anyone to witness the moment I initiated the mugging, and the location where I initiated it is not the same place where you were eventually shot.

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As shown in the screenshot, you had a Tec-9 in your hand at the moment you died. That means that during the moment you described as being "in shock," you were fully capable of pulling your weapon and attempting to kill one of us. Despite me repeatedly telling you to come back and giving you a reasonable amount of time to comply, as permitted by the server rules, you ignored my commands. Because of that, I had every right to proceed with the PK.

As stated in Rule 3 of the FearRP rules, if you refuse to follow my commands or actively resist, I have the right to shoot you.
3.If you're holding someone under Fear RP and issue them orders/warnings not to do something and they disobey you may kill them.

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Regarding the witness, while the PK was taking place, I contacted Lieutenant Danny Silvershine (Administrator Psykho) and asked him to join the support channel. When he arrived, I didn't explain the situation. I simply asked him to answer one question, and told him I'd explain afterward why I was asking it. My question was, "What exactly did you see?" He told me that he never realized it was a mugging and therefore did not witness a mugging at all. After that, I explained that we had actually mugged and PK'd you, and asked him that if an appeal was made, he should simply describe what he personally witnessed. That's why we're here now.

I pointed a gun at you and gave you clear FearRP commands, which you ignored. You claim the incident happened in an inappropriate public location, even though it took place in a yellow zone where FearRP is allowed. You also claim that a police officer witnessed the mugging, yet that same officer didn't even realize a mugging or PK had taken place.

I explained every one of these points to Bullets, the staff member handling the PK ticket. After listening to my explanation, obtaining a second opinion from the appropriate staff members, and reviewing all the evidence and clips, he approved the PK.

I'm sorry, but none of the arguments you've presented are accurate or valid. This PK was carried out fully in accordance with the server rules.
Good luck on your appeal tho!

Edited 1 hour ago by Akira

[4Lokoz]

Hello, I was one of the muggers. My friend has already explained everything that needed to be said in detail. The mugging took place in a yellow zone, and neither the police nor anyone else actually witnessed us mugging you. The officer only started chasing us after hearing the gunshots, caught one of us, and released him after charging him with only misdemeanors. As Akira already explained, the officer had no idea what had actually happened and did not witness the mugging or the PK. If he had, there's virtually no chance that a District Attorney and a Lieutenant would have let someone involved in an incident like this go without felony charges. On top of that, my friend gave you multiple warnings and even counted down from 3 before taking any action. Instead of following our commands and walking back into the alley, you chose to stand there and stare at us. If you had simply complied with the orders we gave you, you wouldn't have been PK'd. I think thats a valid PK

[Psykho]

I'll attach a link to the clip to better demonstrate what I observed. While the footage should provide a clearer view of the events, I was simultaneously managing multiple factors not visible on screen. As a result, I cannot definitively state exactly what escalated the situation in front of me.

What I can confirm is that I observed a person being shot with a gun. I also saw another individual whom I do not know if they fired at the time- wearing a mask. That is all I can reliably state regarding the situation.

https://medal.tv/games/garrys-mod/clips/n2s7l2MzyTBkt0Cgq?invite=cr-MSxVQncsNTAyMjEyNzg4&v=30

[Akira]

2 minutes ago, Psykho said:

What I can confirm is that I observed a person being shot with a gun. I also saw another individual whom I do not know if they fired at the time- wearing a mask. That is all I can reliably state regarding the situation.

https://medal.tv/games/garrys-mod/clips/n2s7l2MzyTBkt0Cgq?invite=cr-MSxVQncsNTAyMjEyNzg4&v=30

As shown in the clip Psykho provided and based on his own statement, the police officer was so far away that there was no way he could have known what kind of RP was taking place between us at that moment. You can't even see me pulling my gun in the clip and from that distance, there's no realistic way for anyone to tell that one player was mugging another (logically). You heard from him directly he admitted that he had no idea what was actually happening. I've already shared my thoughts regarding your argument about not being given enough time. In my opinion, this PK was completely valid.

[its_dotson]

I was only aware of the initiation of the mugging at around 5-6 seconds into my clip, the timer for my compliance shouldn't start when you are aware of your intention to mug me separately from my own knowledge, but when I am aware of such. My window to comply at the start of my knowledge of the situation lasted ~4 seconds. You say the entire situation lasts 9-10 seconds, which may be true from your angle, but it is simply not true from my angle or my POV of the situation. My window to comply is from my perspective, not yours, and this must be taken into account. How am I supposed to comply with an initiation of a mugging I am unaware of?

It doesn't matter that Danny Silvershine didn't know if it was a mugging or not, it matters that he was so close to it, he could both see and respond to the crime in a matter of seconds. "This can only be done when there is no one else around" (initiating a mugging), other people were around. You say that I claim the mugging took place in an invalid area generally, which is not true. Mugging is allowed where I was on the map, but my angle of approach on this point is that mugging is never allowed around uninvolved witnesses- regardless of whether or not it is in a red/yellow zone. You're missing my point, other people were around, period. You can even hear the sirens in my clip.

You mention I was armed with a TEC-9 and could've used it/had an adequate window to try. You can see in my clip I never used the TEC-9 and even started to comply the moment I ended up being killed- obeying the command to "come back" by walking towards one of the muggers. To which I was shot. "You may only kill the victim if they DO NOT comply with your demands. Victims that comply are to be left unharmed." I complied, or at least tried to.

I believe I have adequately addressed the issues in my mugging and resulting PK, I appreciate the response from you all so quickly, good luck maintaining your PK, but I genuinely believe you did a couple things wrong.

[Akira]

First of all, I want to make it clear that I have no problem with you coming here to defend yourself or trying your luck. I'll gladly provide my clip if the UAs request it. However, since the footage is already available in the PK log, I don't see any reason to post it here as well.

That being said, you can't claim there were "people around" just because a police officer happened to be on the same street. The rule clearly states, "This can only be done when there is no one else around." We were already in a yellow zone, there was nobody near us, and the only person remotely close was a police officer sitting in his vehicle, far enough away that he couldn't possibly understand what was happening between us. The only person who could have possibly understood the situation was the Lieutenant, and he himself said he didn't. You say it doesn't matter whether he understood it or not, but it actually does. You're claiming he witnessed the incident, yet he openly stated that he didn't even know or understand what was happening, so you can't use him as a witness just because it benefits your argument.

The reason I mentioned that you had a Tec-9 at the time of your death is because I took the risk of carrying out this mugging on my Capo character, and I did it properly in a yellow zone, fully aware of the consequences. You also claim that the incident only lasted four seconds in my clip, but I say "Yo" at the 4 second mark of your clip, tell you to put your hands up at the 5 second mark, and you don't die until around the 11–12 second mark. Instead of freezing in place, all you had to do was walk toward me. That was your mistake, and because of that mistake, you were PK'd in accordance with the rules. With all due respect, the only thing you should be doing here is accepting responsibility for not reacting appropriately in the moment and making sure you don't repeat the same mistake.

As I said, the admin who handled this ticket had already obtained a second opinion from other staff members before approving the PK, and he personally explained to me why he considered it valid. I don't see any rule violation or any other valid reason for this PK to be reversed. That being said, regardless of the outcome, I wish you the best of luck with your appeal.
 

15 minutes ago, its_dotson said:

"You may only kill the victim if they DO NOT comply with your demands. Victims that comply are to be left unharmed." I complied, or at least tried to.

Also no disrespect but you didnt even try to comply shit. You just froze up like a COW and you paid the consequences for it.

Edited 1 hour ago by Akira