Akira

realized his mistake, give him a chance +1

i want to smoke my opps

+1 let him back

+1

@Gr1mmyLooks like people are stealing your idea now...

It wasn't a false PK. I showed all the clips to staff, and they agreed there was enough reason to PK you. Whether you believe it or want to take your chances with an appeal is up to you, I don't have a problem with that. But at some point you've gotta admit what happened. You caused problems with the Jews, yelled at them, disrespected them, and kept creating issues after being warned. For me, that's more than enough reason to put an order on you. I genuinely tried to give you a second chance. I sat you down, told you not to cause any more problems, and you gave me your word. Instead of keeping your head down, you went right back to the same behavior and paid the price for it. If UA needs the clips again, I'll provide them. As far as I'm concerned, the PK was completely valid.

Hello, MC who wrote the order here. We didn't PK you because of some "you dislike Jews" bullshit. I was the one who brought you in. The only thing I told you while i was hiring you is i wanted you to keep things smooth with our allies, especially the Jews, and not cause problems. (1) About an hour later, you spotted the first Jew you saw outside our place and started talking reckless, throwing insults and disrespect around. (2) After that, I pulled you into the back room with two of my enforcers and told you there wasn't a problem for the moment. I told you that as long as you were working with me, you'd be under my protection, but this was your last chance. I made it clear that I didn't want to hear about you causing any more problems with the Jews. I asked if you gave me your word, and you did. After that, the conversation was over. (3) Not long after that, you approached a made guy from the Jewish side that we know and started getting loud and disrespectful with him too. I was told you used to work with them and that their bosses might not be too happy seeing you around. I told them we'd like to give you a chance if it wasn't gonna be an issue. That chance lasted about five minutes, because you immediately went back to causing problems. (4) Around ten minutes later I spoke with them again. They talked to their bosses and asked us to take care of you. Since you knew things about their faction ICly and they didn't want you around, we honored the request. We got a lot of respect for our Jewish brothers and our alliance with them, so there wasn't much to think about. Long story short, you left their faction and joined our family. Then you went out into the street, started yelling at Jews and throwing insults around. After that, you got in the face of a made guy, talking about "remember me?" and making a scene. We gave you a chance, warned you, and you gave your word. In the end, they asked us to take care of the problem, so we did. I don't know how familiar you are with the server rules, but when you're wearing our faction's colors, acting disrespectful toward the Jews, causing problems, and getting loud with made guys is gonna bring heat on us. Simple as that. Your actions created problems for us and our allies, and the consequences caught up to you. I'm not naming who I spoke with, and I'm not posting clips publicly. The admin who approved the PK already received the information and the clips, and if needed I'll provide them to UA as well. As for that second clip, yeah, I offered you work. I had no clue you were the same guy. The moment I recognized your voice, you can clearly see me stop talking to you. And for the record, I wasn't the one shooting at you, and I have no idea who was.

why not bruh +1

idk

imagine creating your character and getting arrested before you even make it out of Town Hall

I completely understand the rule and Im aware of how "its supposed to work" What I'm trying to clarify is that some staff members have been saying the opposite, saying that if someone leaves the faction, they can be PK'd regardless. That is the reason why i created this topic in the first place. Im simply trying to get the situation clarified and have it answered directly by our community manager Canadian so there is no confusion left

I'm aware of this rules, but some staff members are claiming that you can PK someone no matter what if they leave the WL. I don't want to name anyone here, but if needed I can provide screenshots showing this. So just to clarify the final point: if they're entry-level associates, not made, and not deeply committed to the organization, and it's just a brand new member who leaves the faction, then you can't issue a PK order for them, correct?

behave +1

Ever since I started playing on the server, one thing has always seemed unclear: whether leaving a family is a valid PK reason or not. The rules clearly state that doormen and newer members cannot simply be PK'd, but every staff member seems to have a different opinion on where the line is drawn. Some admins have approved my orders and activated PKs for people who left the family without permission, while others have told me the order wasn't valid because the person never touched the racket or got involved in illegal activities (such like growing weed, using barge NPC etc..) I'm not here to argue my personal opinion on the matter. I just want a clear answer because the rulings seem inconsistent depending on who handles the ticket. So, Is leaving a family without permission a valid PK reason, or not? @Canadian-bacon Sorry for the ping, but it'd be great if we could get a direct answer from you and finally clear this up once and for all.