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Can you provide any evidence that you were exempt from kickups in the first place? @Eviddy

Your appeal has been reviewed and accepted.

So, we can see you did infact pay kickups through logs. I have reviewed the messages you sent, a big thing however is, it is clear you missed kickups. Which does harm the faction/family you are in. You arrange through dms, to make a time. They accept the time, meet with you, you pay them, and then they order your death. Reviewing the PK guidelines "The person in question, has repeatedly done something to directly harm you, the family, or another member of the family" "Continued and repeated (despite warnings) poor behaviour, misconduct, violation of your family rules or even blatant disrespect of made men in your organization." While you are guilty of harm, you are not guilty of repeated harm and as no other reason was given besides failing to pay kickups, which you did. This PK appeal will be accepted on these grounds and you will be placed in the civ faction with any rp relating to your exit voided. EDIT: Or it would have been unpked, however you appear to have deleted the character making is unrecoverable.

Sorry this took so long, to point out a few things here. There IS an inherent risk to trying to escape in the water. Typically we'd like to see the officers bringing the guy to shore, and making a reasonable attempt at arresting the guy, so as a mechanism to PK the guy, this is not intended, however if you are at fault for drowning it can and typically will be a PK. There was some debate over this, you were tazed in water and sank, you then say essentially you're complying, then you were cuffed under water and died. Me and some others were under the impression that you had no ability to swim up. it appears you CAN swim up when cuffed at the bottom like that, however you need to be looking straight up while he drags you and sometimes that doesn't behave properly. Given that this was not known and there was some ambiguousness to the death, potentially the dragging itself causing the PK death by suffocation. The PKing staff had offered to restart the RP with the suspect in cuffs. When this was refused by the officer, the character was PKed. After a conversation about this, we'd have much rather have had the RP restarted given the uncertainty of who's fault this death was and because of the refusal by the officer and the pressure from said officer to the staff for the PK, it comes off as PK hungry. We have deemed this PK to be invalid on these basis, the fault could have been the officers and that RP could have easily continued. Your appeal has been reviewed and accepted. Your character has been reinstated and can be used again.

+1 would be funni and make a lot of people upset

Hello PKing staff here. I had the unfortunate job of PKing your character. I was given two clips and being you were offline at this time. I offline PKed your character. 1st Clip: https://medal.tv/games/garrys-mod/clips/iO7o1yM2V70hNWqX2/d13375v6EXOT?invite=cr-MSxORjAsMTk2MzAwODIxLA - This clip shows the cop reacting to gun shots, seeing you run past a ragdoll/body. He attempted to get the bottom of this by asking in RP through text chat. You seemingly ignore this cop, so he chases you. 2nd Clip: https://medal.tv/games/garrys-mod/clips/iO7p5pItO1uneZ2he?invite=cr-MSw1a2IsLEZPUl9ZT1U - This clip continues the previous one, it shows the cop chasing you and demanding you to stop in text chat, getting ignored again. He then in the middle of chasing you gets run over by a third party. You proceed to pull out your gun and start blasting, hitting the officer several times. He then pulls out a gun, where you say 'sorry, sorry, I didn't mean to do that' then you disconnect from the server. Unfortunately, as you were in a situation that was likely going to lead to your PK and you chose to disconnect, whilst PK active. I determined this to be a valid PK. " Killing or attacking an Officer after initiating a violent confrontation leaves you PK active from officers for about 15 minutes."

Hey there. Banning staff here. So I banned you for an incident that was reported via discord ticket. When I investigated you had blatantly tied someone up while they were using the clothing store NPC "https://medal.tv/games/garrys-mod/clips/iQlyG0OkYx7Ch3DiT?invite=cr-MSxNa0ssLEZPUl9ZT1U", when I investigated your notes and bans you had multiple relating to fail mugging. So I deemed it appropriate to ban you for 3 days. Your friends ban was issued by another staff at their discretion and may have been related to fewer notes or other circumstances. The PK was a separate incident, wherest you mugged someone and died in the attempt, which was also deemed a fail mugging by the pking staff. Which also took place after the incident that I banned you for. if you'd like to appeal that, you'll have to appeal via PK appeal. However that PK looked fairly cut and dry, dieing in the attempt.

1. 'Lights, flashing lights. She don't believe in shootin' stars' 2. Speakers phone could be funni. Also could be mingey. 3. So in a sense, if a cop is around, catches you and you have to risk a PK to kill him to continue your RP. You successfully roll the dice and kill him. You want the cop to be able to yell/possibly radio for backup? Presumably at the range you're speaking, the gunshots; even silenced would be enough to indicate to cops close enough. Making this redundant for how you suggested it and brokenly overpowered otherwise. As for tools. Spikes, could work but I feel like people would just continue to just drive with the popped tires In their bugatti's and ferraris and still get away from cops. Also I'd have concerns if it's done improperly could just end up blowing up the vehicles, or used to grief buildings. I could see something where it's possible to request one for an ongoing chase, but to just give them to every officer to use, I'd probably be less for ( i know you said cpl + ). On the other hand, you could always just make them stupidly expensive. 10-20k per strip or limit them to ESU flags. Pepperspray, if it incapacitates its essentially like the tazor, for just bluring their vision, sure but the range would need to be close. If it is close range, friendly fire needs to be taken into account, not to mention accidently pepperspraying yourself for running into an area you just peppersprayed. If they are running away and at a range, and you're not affected. Its essentially an overpowered flashbang and you'd quickly end up with broken PVP and people abusing (possibly through walls). Batons to break bones, would 1000% just be abused by every single probie and cadet around and probably become a problem very quickly, maybe just have the right click baton pause their movement for a second or split second longer if this is really problem. Cops are already exempt from being PKed for the most part, which already gives them the immunity to go into situation that wouldn't make realistic sense. So cops on any detainment are gonna break peoples legs 'so you can't get away' or 'just incase', sure IA whatever, but this seems like a problem to me. Aswell as, if a cop did break someone's leg, have they now started a violent altercation? Giving the crim a chance to shoot and die without pk repercussions? 'I'mma just run around until the cops break my legs, oh I can shoot now.' Criminals need a chance, it's already favored for cops and it should be favored for cop. But a delicate balance needs to be considered, at a point you might aswell just have the teleporting baton stick if there's literally no chance to get away, not saying your suggestions would cause such an imbalance, just that it needs to be carefully considered.

Thought this was already accepted?

Hello PKing staff here. First off, it had been about an hour and you were offline by the time I processed this PK. I was given a clip where you were being rammed to the side of the road for a traffic incident, for which I was told you refused to comply. You then kept saying it was "an accident", telling them to chill. They then pulled out cuffs and attempted cuff you. You pulled out a gun, attempted to fire but it clicked as you needed to reload. You then reloaded but by that time you were killed. https://medal.tv/?contentId=iF659qDZPkfpWv9k9&invite=cr-MSxmcGIsMjIyMDYyOTE3LA&spok=d1337p82Ii92 ( her mic is quiet here, but you can hear her. ) As soon as you pulled out the gun it is considered starting a violent confrontation with police, however if you believe some sort of fail-rp occurred, I'd by happy to take a look. However if you directly rammed their car, they seemingly had a valid reason to arrest you- regardless if some clipping occurred between the officer and another third party.

I imagine, you could use an RNG generator to determine if a business makes a profit and it's not hard to RNG the business on a spreadsheet once or twice a month ( 1 - 10 ) for profit or loss. This could be implemented into existing DOP, DOC as previously mentioned. Also like I mentioned, I'm willing to work on developing the system further if the powers that be, deem it a worthwhile endeavor. Also wanted to say, if you wanted to implement more mafia control, you could have staff tickets to escalate on static businesses much easier ( fire bombs or 'temporarily destroyed' ). Thus allowing 'protection or extortion' from mafia interests. With main properties being a projections of power on static businesses Mapping the street addresses this would add 66 static addresses, not to mention the possibility with other businesses types not tied to static addresses ( vending machines, hotdog vender etc ) https://docs.google.com/document/d/1r7WgFt9OxMQKln5erBWmlCFh4lkXsghf_aGznFa0tI0/edit

Fairly simple, I think all of the static properties, billboards, vending machines, chest tables, phone booths should be purchasable by players and they should be extortatable, used for control and managed as passive income investment properties. I have mapped the city to give an outline of what that would look like based upon the city streets and arbitrarily assigned numbers to the specific city locations, I'm willing to do work such as to take pictures of each location to create a purchasing catalog. If there is any interest in pursuing this further. Attached is a map of the city with North being on North Road and everything I could think to map https://docs.google.com/document/d/1r7WgFt9OxMQKln5erBWmlCFh4lkXsghf_aGznFa0tI0/edit ( Addresses ) Further I suggest the following: Phone Booth = Used to connect to eachother for calls, preset numbers for the phonebooths and number dialable. Mail = Mail system, send clothing items in the mail. Supporting custom clothing and makes sense to compliment bank transfers for purchases. Newspaper = Recent PK Messages/ Setable by staff.

Your appeal has been reviewed and accepted.

A medal clip was provided and I have searched log to verify, you don't actually kill anyone or do damage to any cops on the clip, you're clearly holding a cig and the radio call appears to be bad or reacting to the wrong person. Either way it doesn't clearly show you starting a violent altercation with police, therefore this appeal will be accepted. However you have deleted the character so it is impossible to reinstate.

Your appeal has been reviewed and accepted. Your character has been reinstated and can be used again.

The standard for don's orders are typically not a high burden of proof. You took inherent risks by joining on the character. You appear to have participated in illegal activities, so you'd know about illegal activities, you disrespected someone in the faction and refused orders from high ranking members to a point where they deemed you a liability. That being said, after talking with the don of kosher, another hc executed the orders and he believes you were not given fair warning. So your main argument 'This also means you cannot PK someone for mucking up JUST one time" appears to be valid and he agreed that you should be unpked given the circumstances and I concur.

Your appeal has been reviewed and denied. We have determined this PK to be reasonable and/or justified. You may not re-appeal this PK.

Hello, so looking into logs. While the character was a cop, it doesn't appear to have ordered any shipments. Was clearly used primarily as a mugging character, was caught item transferring and suspiciously cuffs and steal from a number of people WHEN as an active police character. I have tracked a number of weed bricks you stole as an officer, cuffed, taken from their inventory and traced directly to you selling to the vender, which will serve as a staff blacklist from PD for future. Given the circumstances, this appears to be a mugging character. Was used in fail corruption and was caught item transferring. So this will be denied. I would also advice you to rethink your behavior if you'd like to continue to play on this server in future.

The PO was from an RDM ticket taken by Logan, where according to logs you were brought and returned from a sit and then given the note. For this offense, it appears you were at fault, however the ban time has expired and you have repented for your sins. Your ban appeal has been reviewed and accepted. The ban will be reduced to x.

Hello! While not technically the banning staff here. I had taken the initial sit, where when I initially questioned you. Your response was 'Uhhh i got bored and didn't mean to blow them up'. You stated absolutely nothing about lag, you had no RP reason to do such a thing and the clip in question https://medal.tv/?contentId=ixfFAPxs19YGxKaMk&invite=cr-MSxwNVUsMjY0NzczODMyLA&spok=TDOqH8vBTTGm , clearly show you pushing their car into the barricade. Killing 5 people. When I stated you would be receiving a ban, you did not like what I had to say and kept pushing for a lighter punishment. Wherest you asked for a second opinion and I obliged bring Anzati in to give his opinion and a ban of 7 days. During which time you admitted further to the altercation, but said that it was an accident and demanded a lighter punishment, when this was denied you said 'ok ip ban me'. I believe you to be dishonest in this situation, again you never mentioned lag. I, and the banning staff believe you to intentionally rammed into their car to blow it up. Not to mention- for which you made your own RDM ticket in an attempt to get compensated for the same incident that you caused! I believe the only reason you made this appeal, was because you believe that you should get less than the 7 days that you were banned for and could spin a story that is inherently untrue to do so. You would do a lot better to apologise for the incident in an appeal, rather than to lie about it.

I also wanted to point out ingame, there is a set of props with 3 news papers boxes and a city mailbox. You could set ingame that any one of these newspapers boxes just repeat the last event/pk or the last 3 depending on which box you press or just have them potentially setable by staff to display a custom message. ( So staff who do PK messages could set them. ) 'Daily 'Union Times' 'Messenger'

Your ban appeal has been reviewed and denied. We have determined this ban to be reasonable and/or justified. Ensure you have read our Server Rules.

So a few things here. The clips in evidence has the sound muted until the very end, meaning someone likely cut the audio. While this in itself may not necessarily disqualify the evidence, it is looked at very suspiciously to all involved. So looking at logs, your story may seem truthful. Person A - Gets hit by you, swaps to cop car and runs directly to the 14k place. Person B - Swaps to his character, goes to the 14k place to whispers you to kill him. You - You dance and Kill Person A. Note: That there is no logs of any chat communication saying he'd swap to his char to kill you and person B does not warn you through detectable means, only saying to 'kill him'. Person A and B, have characters in the same faction and I find it highly suspicious in these circumstances. The clip being cut of all audio until the end ( which could be discord audio ), make me believe that all three of you communicated on discord, swapped characters and did this whole thing up for a laugh; until you were reported. To be clear, this would still be RDM with no IC reason. Your behavior in the sit and in response to this appeal was disrespectful to all involved and with conferring with other staff and with those who have dealt with you recently, we believe you need a chance to cool off and reflect on your behavior and attitude. If you would like to continue to play on this server. In response, this is still RDM, where you have multiple PO's and with probable power game. You and person B, have a history of power game. So, I will be denying your appeal on these basis. Person A - Please reflect on your actions I will withhold any formal note or warning, you have a clean record, but I do believe you are guilty and I ask you to refrain from this type of behavior in future. Person B - Will be receiving a note for RDM, I will refrain from warning him for meta or power game for lack of evidence, but this is your friend telling you to kill another person for no valid reason. This is still RDM.

Your ban appeal has been reviewed and accepted. The ban will be lifted from your account shortly. If it was deemed an invalid ban, it will also be removed from your record.

After talking with the staff member involved, this was a mistake by the banning staff. Sometimes mistakes happen, people lie and I am truly sorry any inconvenience, this ban will be lifted shortly.