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When you talk about risk, you are missing the risk of the actions surrounding a murder, not just the act of killing itself. "Slow and methodical" is literally the opposite of "quick and low risk" When you murder someone on the street, there is a high risk for witnesses, but your chances of being caught in the act are lower because you spend less time committing the murder. Your chances of being caught after the fact are high because you did not plan it out and wanted it to be quick to reduce your risk of being caught when you did it. If you premeditate a murder and plan to clean up to the point of leaving no trace, the actions disposing of the body, wiping fingerprints, and cleaning bloodstains are when your chances of being caught in the act increase because you are spending more time committing the crime. Cleaning up after a murder should not be easy because your "reward" for doing a good job is an extremely low chance of ever being caught. You are right, this is MafiaRP. The server is what the players make it. Why would a mafia hitman waste time planning an elaborate murder and cleanup when they can just pop someone on the street and run off? The PK system we have now is significantly more involved than what you might find elsewhere. Sure some of the ideas might be fun or interesting, but they are not going to add some missing element to PKs or change the way people do them like you seem to think. We are pretending to be mobsters on a Half Life 2 mod from 2005. Any amount of realism surrounding PKs we have now should be considered a blessing if you look back and see what the alternative is.

look at my other ban appeal I dropped a bag of weed in a buisness lol

+1 give him a chance

i smell some Tupac shit over here buddy

I think you're overestimating how calculated mafia hits were historically. It wasn't all planned and theatrical like taking someone to a random pier and giving him a whole speech while dipping his legs into concrete. Middle of the street at the dead of night was the most common M.O and it makes sense, low effort, fast cleanup and easy to plan for. I mean you had hits being done in restaurants, during the day, with all the witnesses you could imagine. Paul Castellano, the boss of bosses, got assassinated outside a steakhouse at 5PM. Albert Anastasia, co-founder of Murder Inc. got assassinated in a barbershop at around 10AM. Carmine Galante, the boss of the Bonanno Crime Family, got assassinated outside a restaurant at 3PM Joe Gallo, Caporegime of the Colombo Crime Family, got assassinated in a restaurant, celebrating his birthday, at around 4:30AM. While I agree that more RP options would be cool, I am afraid you sir have gotten lost in the sauce. I get it you would like to be a cool detective guy getting evidence and solving your cases and stuff but the suggestion about storing the ballistics of a PK round as evidence sounds cool but is too much work for the "cold murder cases" that nobody really cares about and the suggestion about failling to pick up the casings just sounds annoying and gimmicky, the time it takes to pick the casings up is already pretty unrealistic, why would an RNG element be introduced that would make it even more unrealistic? Overall, RP ideas = Good, nerfs just for the sake of nerfs disguised as gimmicks = Bad. -1

Your Character or Steam Name: MM Your SteamID (Click to retrieve): STEAM_0:1:147590004 Your Discord ID#: gmanmonkey77 Reason for ban: ARDM | NITRP Length of ban: PERMA Reason for appeal (dispute/apology): I have full intention to roleplay on this server, I cant even remember why I got banned. I had gotten into a situation where this guy was good mates with a staff member who was salty for some reason who another. Its been a long time and I dont even know. I am sorry. Why should you be unbanned? Its been over a year at least. Perma for adrm is insane. NITRP was an abuse of power on part of the admin. Additional Information (images, videos, etc):

Your Character or Steam Name: Leak Your SteamID (Click to retrieve): STEAM_0:1:121918661 Your Discord ID#: whackynoodle4 Reason for ban: Power Gaming PO X1 Length of ban: Perm Reason for appeal (dispute/apology): Apology Hi there, this is another appeal for my perma-ban earlier this year, I would first just like to apologise for my mingy behaviour in the past on the server, and after taking some time back to reflect, I realize how immature some of this was. I understand 100% if I am not allowed back into the server; however, if given a second chance, I would like to improve my overall RP and interactions with other players.

If they're just holding space and staying on top of the water how do i deal with that then? just try taze them then shoot them? Just seems weird that I have to break police SOP and risk demotion to arrest/kill someone in water.

Advocating for crim RPers to use their brains instead of just killing people on the streets? Again, Mafia RP, not Gangster RP I'm saying there should be actual balance when killing people, you do it quick and sloppy? Yeah the risk should be WAY higher You do it slow and methodical? You should be rewarded with a quick disposal and low risk

I should be able to turn the gun on myself after I murder my whole gmod mafia roleplay family.

ive posted my clip it cuts out a few seconds before where i gave them some more warnings but yep

I apologize, I wasn't there as component to the PR Team (I was sick in bed). Don't film a homeboy talking with his PD lover it might get you slimmed out.

https://medal.tv/games/garrys-mod/clips/nbIG9DyJjp_s63Co-?invite=cr-MSxzVjEsOTA3MjI4OA

Anything but locking in and playing the actual fucking game. Everybody wants to reinvent the wheel before they even learn how to pull the cart with horse.

+1

-1 ACAB

Quite frankly this entire posts just seems like youre advocating for police to have even more ways to fuck over crim RPers when its already bad enough as it is

Perma Kills, most of us have done them on a criminal char and basically every cop gets one or 2 and displays it in their description alongside the amount of plea deals they've gotten for white shirts trespassing. But PK's are done in a bunch of ways all with differing amount of risk involved. I think there should be some extra options to PK people but only if you've put in the time and effort to plan ahead, on the other end, I also think there should be punishments for PKing someone quick and easy just off the streets. OPTIONS FOR PLANNING AHEAD Something simple like concrete shoe's would be nice, but you can't buy them, it needs to be something you go out and trade for. While it would probably something a bit more niche in practice, it would be the perfect thing for planning ahead as there's no blood, there's no casings and the body basically cleans itself up. Another option could be placing a sock over your gun, I'm not sure how it could be implemented but it would basically delay when the casings drop to the next time you reload, again this is just kind of a "This would be cool" kinda option. PUNISHMENTS FOR THE QUICK AND DIRTY First of all, forensics should have more ballistics options, as there is a unique print from the rifling of a gun left on a bullet after it is fired. So forensics should be able to take the bullet out of a body and store the ballistics from that round incase they find the gun later, thus being able to close cold murder cases. Next would be if your character is winded (Out of stamina or recovering and unable to run) I think there should be a chance that you drop the casings when you try and pick them up and need to do the whole casings pickup wait again. Overall, most PK's are seemingly done just out on the streets (I know there's a bunch that happen behind closed doors that I don't know about but shush) and they OFTEN just fall under cold cases, never to be solved. As of now, there's more ways to get fucked over if you plan ahead rather than just go out and do it, which seems completely backwards. And before people start saying "This is Mafia RP" I know, but the way things are, it looks more like "Street gang RP."

It is a PK. Any death while trying to escape is a PK. Drowning etc.

I've pked many a retard in the water. Good strategy is to pull out the baton, beat them to near death. If they die even after being tasered and cuffed it's a pk. Do with that information as you will. If you stop moving while dragging them they sink. Accidents have been known to happen. Remember the baton will not let you actually kill them don't be afraid to really let em have it. If they drown bc they're doing a retarded evasion strategy that's literally on them.

this is mafia rp not police rp

I’m also one of the people you killed. I never spoke a word to you or was even concerned with you. You crashed out for no reason at all and mowed down 3 people so I definitely feel like it’s a valid ban and since you had PO’s I feel like you definitely should’ve been banned longer than you were. https://medal.tv/games/garrys-mod/clips/nbIGaotE36KoZT5kj

Cool guy, cool app, I like the roleplay this would bring! +1

-1 It was a clear mass rdm. You shot and killed me and 2 others. We were on the sidewalk following a Probationary Officer filming him because he wasn't supposed to be out alone patrolling. When you were pulled to the admin sit, you lied to the admin stating that we were harassing you. No one was harassing you, no one cared you existed, we were all going at the Cop. Deal with the ban.

its impossible to tase in water, would you rather get shot and pk'd than tased?