Wiretapping

[Diverge101]

Mobile phones are used daily for organizing and setting up drug deals, if PD could wiretap phones via warrants it would incentivize criminals to speak less freely on mobiles and get them to use the phone booths which can act as the "safe" way for criminals to make calls or using burner phones.

[Omerta]

Yeah, pal, 9/11 hasn’t happened yet. This shit would not fly in 1990.

Come back in 12 years once we get the Patriot Act.

[RevampedRebel]

6 minutes ago, Omerta said:

Yeah, pal, 9/11 hasn’t happened yet. This shit would not fly in 1990.

Come back in 12 years once we get the Patriot Act.

Legislation is already on the books in diverge it just isn't used bc it's aids to enforce it. 

[Omerta]

People are projecting modern surveillance backwards. In 1990, broad electronic surveillance of Americans was far more controversial, more legally constrained, and much less technologically pervasive than it became after the post-9/11 expansion of surveillance powers. The USA PATRIOT Act didn’t invent wiretapping, but it dramatically expanded the government’s ability to conduct surveillance and shifted public and legal attitudes toward it. Treating 1990 NYC like authorities could casually tap mobile phones on demand is anachronistic. If you’re trying to roleplay the period authentically, investigations should rely far more on informants, physical surveillance, warrants, undercover work, and old-fashioned detective work. We should not project modern expectations of ubiquitous electronic monitoring into 1990s RP.

Edited 11 hours ago by Omerta
Typo

[Jason Frudnick]

1 hour ago, Omerta said:

Yeah, pal, 9/11 hasn’t happened yet. This shit would not fly in 1990.

Come back in 12 years once we get the Patriot Act.

Add flock cameras to Diverge

[KingJewMonaclu]

i used to wiretap niggas all the time

[Omerta]

Just now, KingJewMonaclu said:

i used to wiretap niggas all the time

I will assume it was RICO, murder, or major drug investigations that led to these taps? There were limits on them or what? Surveillance has existed forever in LE but it’s supposed to be physical surveillance mostly with minimal device planting for some other recordings that were often inadmissible without specific permissions laid out in a warrant. A lot of the time they did trash pulls, planted devices in public pay phones for short periods, and watched people from unmarked vehicles. Plus, undercover use… see how well that turns out most of the time.

[KingJewMonaclu]

47 minutes ago, Omerta said:

I will assume it was RICO, murder, or major drug investigations that led to these taps? There were limits on them or what? Surveillance has existed forever in LE but it’s supposed to be physical surveillance mostly with minimal device planting for some other recordings that were often inadmissible without specific permissions laid out in a warrant. A lot of the time they did trash pulls, planted devices in public pay phones for short periods, and watched people from unmarked vehicles. Plus, undercover use… see how well that turns out most of the time.

uh no, we can literally get one because "This guy commits crimes and hes going to have a meeting about his crimes". these retards just dont know how to do things, otherwise they'd be getting done

[joeeey1]

Omnibus crime control and safe streets act. 1968 btw. The commission trial, over a hundred court ordered wiretaps and listening device recordings were used as evidence. 1986 btw. 

Edited 8 hours ago by joeeey1
incoming omerta dumb react

[Diverge101]

11 minutes ago, KingJewMonaclu said:

uh no, we can literally get one because "This guy commits crimes and hes going to have a meeting about his crimes". these retards just dont know how to do things, otherwise they'd be getting done

I've personally gotten hours of wiretap footage/audio against Kirov, the others we've tapped I can't talk about!

[Omerta]

34 minutes ago, joeeey1 said:

Omnibus crime control and safe streets act. 1968 btw. The commission trial, over a hundred court ordered wiretaps and listening device recordings were used as evidence. 1986 btw. 

You’re proving my point, not disproving it. The Commission Case is famous precisely because the FBI spent years getting court orders to target the bosses of the Five Families. That’s not evidence that every associate or soldier in 1990 NYC could have their phone tapped on a whim.  Especially a mobile phone? Wiretaps existed long before any of this. The difference is they were targeted, warrant-based investigative tools, not the broad surveillance culture and expanded authorities that developed decades later. Getting these warrants were under very strict conditions and guidelines and tons of evidence was constantly tossed due to mishandling of taps. The audio was recorded at specific times for specific periods of time and the only reason so many mobsters got buried was because they were all loudmouths who couldn’t stop boasting about their crimes. Not to mention how many taps were just at a physical location and not actually on the phone. Most of the time the warrants were location based meaning the devices would go in the phone, in the whatever. Tapping a long range line or mobile device would be very tricky in that day and time. I’m sure you’ll find another way to knee jerk and dismiss the reality of the matter, though. Typical clueless Divergian.

[Omerta]

Let’s not even get into other logistics of this. How the technology works, for example. What’s next? We hire phone phreaks to reverse engineer taps and start whistling nuclear launch codes into NORAD hotlines? Like, get real. Nobody is tapping a fucking cellular phone in 1990. Most recording devices weren’t even recording the “line” back then and simply were physical devices that went in the phone itself. From a legal and technical standpoint, this is so retarded to defend that I’m somehow shocked even the typical knee jerking pickle sniffing fucks are here to argue against what is chronologically sound.

[joeeey1]

1 hour ago, Omerta said:

You’re proving my point, not disproving it. The Commission Case is famous precisely because the FBI spent years getting court orders to target the bosses of the Five Families. That’s not evidence that every associate or soldier in 1990 NYC could have their phone tapped on a whim.  Especially a mobile phone? Wiretaps existed long before any of this. The difference is they were targeted, warrant-based investigative tools, not the broad surveillance culture and expanded authorities that developed decades later. Getting these warrants were under very strict conditions and guidelines and tons of evidence was constantly tossed due to mishandling of taps. The audio was recorded at specific times for specific periods of time and the only reason so many mobsters got buried was because they were all loudmouths who couldn’t stop boasting about their crimes. Not to mention how many taps were just at a physical location and not actually on the phone. Most of the time the warrants were location based meaning the devices would go in the phone, in the whatever. Tapping a long range line or mobile device would be very tricky in that day and time. I’m sure you’ll find another way to knee jerk and dismiss the reality of the matter, though. Typical clueless Divergian.

> did it in real life

> we can’t do it on the server

Make it make sense old man. To your dismay, there are other aspects of RP on the server outside of whatever gambino does (nothing) and playing blackjack. You also have a tendency to automatically go against any sort of suggestion or idea that could improve police / legal RP, solely because you’re a washed up crim main. Get real. Also did you not donate to get felony charges removed against your character? Get real once again. Every clip of you getting arrested is lowkey embarrassing behavior from a GROWN ass man. Get real once more. 

[bingus]

We have wiretapping. As others have said it’s just rarely used because of the logistics and manpower needed for it.

[Omerta]

2 hours ago, joeeey1 said:

> did it in real life

> we can’t do it on the server

Make it make sense old man. To your dismay, there are other aspects of RP on the server outside of whatever gambino does (nothing) and playing blackjack. You also have a tendency to automatically go against any sort of suggestion or idea that could improve police / legal RP, solely because you’re a washed up crim main. Get real. Also did you not donate to get felony charges removed against your character? Get real once again. Every clip of you getting arrested is lowkey embarrassing behavior from a GROWN ass man. Get real once more. 

You really are a dumbass and either can't read or refuse to comprehend what's been said out of bad faith. Attacking me argumentum ad hominem totally helps your case, also. Call me old some more and act like that has anything to do with the argument. At least I know talking to you is pearls before swine. What a retard.

[Azoro]

Wiretapping is already a thing, and idk what bro is talking about that wiretaps weren't a thing before the 90s. Wiretapping phone lines started in the 1890s smh. Let's make this shi a surveillance state. All detectives should have a quota of one wiretap a month.

[Geo_Zeus]

3 hours ago, joeeey1 said:

> did it in real life

> we can’t do it on the server

Make it make sense old man. To your dismay, there are other aspects of RP on the server outside of whatever gambino does (nothing) and playing blackjack. You also have a tendency to automatically go against any sort of suggestion or idea that could improve police / legal RP, solely because you’re a washed up crim main. Get real. Also did you not donate to get felony charges removed against your character? Get real once again. Every clip of you getting arrested is lowkey embarrassing behavior from a GROWN ass man. Get real once more. 

Are we still talking about the wiretapping suggestion? Seems like this one is a little hard for @Omertaand can't express his feelies 

[Geo_Zeus]

Like others have statead, wiretapping mobile phones is wildly unrealistic in this time period and when it comes to the RP on the server, I don't see any practical appliance of it(When does Police ever get ahold of your mobile phone, and if they do and they can wiretap it, after the first incident the new norm will be that if the Police get your phone somehow, just get a new one). The only real way this would be done is with a wider eavesdropping operation on the mobile network and within a specific range of service but that's beyond impractical when it comes to the server capabilities.

[Azoro]

1 minute ago, Geo_Zeus said:

Like others have statead, wiretapping mobile phones is wildly unrealistic in this time period and when it comes to the RP on the server, I don't see any practical appliance of it(When does Police ever get ahold of your mobile phone, and if they do and they can wiretap it, after the first incident the new norm will be that if the Police get your phone somehow, just get a new one). The only real way this would be done is with a wider eavesdropping operation on the mobile network and within a specific range of service but that's beyond impractical when it comes to the server capabilities.

WIRETAP THOSE PAYPHONES. WE BEEN DOIN THIS SHI SINCE THE 1890S. I LOVE THEODORE ROOSEVELT.

[Omerta]

1 hour ago, Azoro said:

Wiretapping is already a thing, and idk what bro is talking about that wiretaps weren't a thing before the 90s. Wiretapping phone lines started in the 1890s smh. Let's make this shi a surveillance state. All detectives should have a quota of one wiretap a month.

Nigga can't read. Nothing new here.

[Kyle Waladang]

Theirs recording devices and wiretapped phones its just not a common thing. Idk the logistics of it but ive seen wiretapped phones in some accounts that went up for auction and the actual recording devices. 

[Azoro]

48 minutes ago, Omerta said:

Nigga can't read. Nothing new here.

Resist the use of nigga for one day challenge. All of Diverge will lose. 

[Omerta]

29 minutes ago, Azoro said:

Resist the use of nigga for one day challenge. All of Diverge will lose. 

The other words I would use for you are banned.