Bar police from entering ghetto

[Mike Brown]

This doesn’t mean barring them completely, obviously they can enter under circumstances like responding to a call. But them going inside every 10 minutes and trying to open every door is absurd and makes absolutely no sense. I understand that no faction owns it, but  it’s certainly not just public property, it’s a rundown apartment building.  It’s supposed to be a somewhat safe area where players who don’t own property can cook drugs. Cops coming and going every 5 minutes takes away from the atmosphere and disrupts my business ventures and just overall kills the vibe. Minimize police presence and bring life to the ghetto. 

[Mike Brown]

The Brit @Gr1mmy doesnt seem to understand what the 4th amendment is. Wow it must fucking suck being British 

[TheSuperTsar]

The entire point of the ghetto is, like you said, to be where poor players go to cook and crime the day away. If they haven't joined a faction yet, its a reasonably safe place to engage in crime. But its meant to be a starter location, so its obviously not going to be the most secure. As a rundown and unowned apartment, known specifically for criminal activity, its no wonder the police swing by every so often. Its an easy place to find some dude's stash that he forgot to lock up. The doors can be owned and locked, so its not like its entirely open to police. Someone still has to make a foolish mistake to get caught.

Also, "erm sorry officer you cant go here this is a no law zone".

[Mike Brown]

5 hours ago, TheSuperTsar said:

The entire point of the ghetto is, like you said, to be where poor players go to cook and crime the day away. If they haven't joined a faction yet, its a reasonably safe place to engage in crime. But its meant to be a starter location, so its obviously not going to be the most secure. As a rundown and unowned apartment, known specifically for criminal activity, its no wonder the police swing by every so often. Its an easy place to find some dude's stash that he forgot to lock up. The doors can be owned and locked, so its not like its entirely open to police. Someone still has to make a foolish mistake to get caught.

Also, "erm sorry officer you cant go here this is a no law zone".

Are you American? Can you imagine cops entering an apartment building every day and attempting to open every single door. It just makes no sense and isn’t legal for them to do so. That’s why I said they can enter under certain circumstances like  call to service or gunshots. Just like cops in real life. 

[Rifsfth]

I get it but like just not happening. Just tell them not to go there more but like Im not black so idc

[Hg0tros]

-1 makes no sense

[Medinator]

I kinda get what he means theres no true civillian crime RP or non faction criminal buisness in general and ghetto holds a big key around that

ghetto provides as grounds to let civillian chars or hell even new factions that dont have the best properties or situation to grow drugs/manufacture drugs etc 

but its been seen many many times police will do walk throughs the ghetto which inherently isnt an issue its the fact of how cops enter rooms unlocked and owned/unknowned like they own the place when realistically this would not happen 

 

but at the same time this is an IC issue this isnt necessarily a rule breaking thing 

but at the same time no one is gonna report these cops nor have the backing the police does in court versus some random white shirt who got fucked  etc etc (im not a law/cop main so i wont say too much im sure a gov main can answer this better)

it kinda plays into what i see mentioned by people in regards of how cops can just fuck anyone over anytime with very little repercussion versus crime mains who have a massive risk of PKs/life sentencing/permanent issues & generally getting the worse out of the situation because people dont care about legitimacy or their characters facing minimal reprecussions (oh no IA report!!!!)

but once again it all ends up being an IC thing ultimately so this is just a can of worms as said above you cant be like "Errmm not an RP zone cant arrest me!!!"

maybe you can set up a legal representative team for the lower people of the city and fight against police corruption etc blah blah blah just larp it out basically 

 

 

Edited 5 hours ago by Medinator

[Gr1mmy]

19 hours ago, Mike Brown said:

The Brit @Gr1mmy doesnt seem to understand what the 4th amendment is. Wow it must fucking suck being British 

Being a dick just because people disagree won't get your suggestion approved

 

At the end of the day if the door is owned OFFICERS Shouldn't be entering that room, they only enter unowned rooms in the ghetto, the only time owned rooms are entered is either an IC issue or with probable cause.

 

Just because you leave a door unlocked with drug processors doesn't mean it should be a zone where RP can't take place

[Mike Brown]

2 hours ago, Gr1mmy said:

Being a dick just because people disagree won't get your suggestion approved

 

At the end of the day if the door is owned OFFICERS Shouldn't be entering that room, they only enter unowned rooms in the ghetto, the only time owned rooms are entered is either an IC issue or with probable cause.

 

Just because you leave a door unlocked with drug processors doesn't mean it should be a zone where RP can't take place

Why arent other apartment buildings being searched like this? The ghetto should be treated like private property with an unknown owner. 

[Loops]

44 minutes ago, Mike Brown said:

Why arent other apartment buildings being searched like this? The ghetto should be treated like private property with an unknown owner. 

I barely play and I'm too lazy to look into it, so take this with a grain of salt, but I always assumed ghetto apartments were government owned (the projects). 
IF it is government owned, then police would be able to generally patrol the lobby/hallway without a warrant

Google search says:
1. " New York is in the 2nd Circuit, which follows the majority rule: tenants (and the public) do not have a reasonable expectation of privacy in unlocked or openly accessible common areas like lobbies, hallways, or stairwells. Courts treat these as shared spaces where police can patrol, respond to calls, or enforce trespass rules.
NYPD does this routinely in public housing under community-policing agreements and “Clean Halls”-style programs (though some aspects have faced lawsuits, basic entry into common areas is lawful)."
2. " A vacant unit in NYCHA property has no active tenant asserting Fourth Amendment privacy rights. It is government-owned property under the direct control of the housing authority. "
3. " reports document NYCHA having ~6,740 vacant units, many left unsecured with generic “move-out” keys that open every vacant apartment in a development. NYPD and DOI inspectors enter these units to remove unauthorized occupants, resulting in hundreds of arrests for trespassing, drugs, and weapons. They treat vacant units as areas they are authorized to secure and inspect. "
4. " If the door is unlocked (or unowned and therefore not secured by a tenant’s lock), officers can simply open it. No warrant is required because it is not someone’s “home” at that moment — it’s PHA property being managed to prevent crime."

As for why police aren't treating other apartment buildings the same, the answer would be because those apartments are privately owned. The apartment and vacant rooms belong to the owner/faction, not the government. Police would need the owner's consent, a warrant or exigent circumstances to enter. 

^ someone correct me if I'm wrong on Ghetto being government property.