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Hello! As stated by Youbear you were PK'd for starting a violent confrontation with police. You started this by shooting and killing the officer that was attempting to detain you. His partner then returns fire and kills you resulting in your PK. Also went ahead and ensured in logs that the officers had never shot you or any potential vehicle you were in before the clip begins to confirm that you are indeed the one that began the violent confrontation. In the future, I highly recommend you read and understand the rules (linked here) around what kills validate a PK on our server and wish you the best of luck in your future characters' lives! Your appeal has been reviewed and denied. We have determined this PK to be reasonable and/or justified. You may not re-appeal this PK.

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Hello! First, I understand not everyone has fully gone through and read the rules of our server. Ignorance does not give you immunity from them though. As shittor quoted, you can in fact be PK’d for LTARP in the case of more serious felonies. In your case, you were facing (minimum before any investigation) Dangerous Conduct with a Weapon and Attempted Murder. Both of those are pretty serious felonies so that box has been checked. On top of this, you were still offered to continue the RP after actively choosing to disconnect, reconnect, and start playing on another character. These actions show us clearly you knew exactly what you were doing. Even seeing this the PK’ing admin gave you an explanation of what continuing the RP would entail and you chose repeatedly to not partake in the RP at all. This is what lead to your PK. When informed of this you then tried to argue for just banning you for LTARP instead of a PK and that is not a behavior we want to support or precedent we want to have. Your appeal has been reviewed and denied. We have determined this PK to be reasonable and/or justified. You may not re-appeal this PK.

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Hello! After reviewing with other staff we have come to a decision. While we do agree there was some level of conflict going on between you two, we don't view any of these as inherent rule breaks by you especially worthy of a ban such as this. For the RDM bait, we reviewed logs and found there may have been a slight case of mistaken identity but you did in fact have a valid reason to be upset with him. You were ran over by another player multiple times prior to your interaction with the ticket maker. Logs show then the ticket maker hit you with his car several times leading up to where his clip begins. For the LTAP, this has also been deemed to be false. The ticket that was initially made wasn't even against you. It was for the man in the other truck. We have no reason to believe you left maliciously following the time stamps of when the ticket was made, claimed, and you leaving. To top everything off, it would appear the ticket maker did not make the ticket till he attempted to resolve the issue himself in game. He pulled his gun from the ATM, attempted to execute the driver of the other truck, failed, and was killed for it. This is when he goes to type out multiple different ticket claims before settling on 'vehicle minge'. When situations are an IC conflict we want them to be handled IC, if they are OOC or rule breaks then we will step in as needed as staff. In this case, he attempted to use staff to get back at someone for an IC conflict that he was on the losing end of and we do not want to set that as a precedent way to handle things. Your ban appeal has been reviewed and accepted. The ban will be lifted from your account shortly. If it was deemed an invalid ban, it will also be removed from your record.

Hi! PK'ing admin here. So, as you broke down already the officer came on to your property to detain you and question you. This is valid as the officer visibly watched you shoot the car. While detaining you, a friend of yours pulls out your weapon and aims it at the officer. This lead to a valid kill by the officer. This was a separate violent conflict from yours. On to your and why you were PK'd. While you may defend your friends from other citizens, criminal factions etc, that does not apply to officers the same way. Their conflict was over and then you chose to fire your weapon at the officer starting your own confront with him. You inevitably lost that gun fight and died leading to your PK.

Hello! We investigated this and you were PK due to someone being active to your faction since December. He killed you and thus you were PK'd. We will be reversing it this time due to how long ago it was. In the future, I highly suggest your faction either finishes the hit if they choose to set someone active while they're offline or make certain the person is no longer active. Your appeal has been reviewed and accepted. Your character has been reinstated and can be used again.

Hello! So, while you may find it unfair you agree to a prompt on your screen when joining any criminal faction. This prompt warns you that they may kill you if they ever see fit and in this case, they warned you for your actions. You continued those said actions, even being caught in the middle of it as the PK'ing staff was setting you active. Due to your actions and choices, they practiced their right to kill you. I'm sorry for the loss of your character but I hope you take this opportunity to learn to follow orders from your high ranking leaders in your future endeavors on another character! Your appeal has been reviewed and denied. We have determined this PK to be reasonable and/or justified. You may not re-appeal this PK.

Hello there! After reviewing your ban with fellow staff, we have deemed it to be RDM. While you may have thought he was breaking NLR by simply returning to the area, that is not accurate. He did not attempt to engage in RP with you again or brought up your previous encounter. He was simply in the area to retrieve his friend and you engaged with him again. Even then, if he was breaking NLR, it is a common misconception that you can just shoot people breaking NLR. This is in reality not true. In the future, if you believe someone is breaking NLR please feel free to make a ticket in game with @ and it will be handled by staff. Your ban appeal has been reviewed and denied. We have determined this ban to be reasonable and/or justified. Ensure you have read our Server Rules.

Hi, PKing admin here! So let us break this down piece by piece. First, as you claimed in the sit and now here, you think NLR was broken. When you told me this during the sit, I investigated who had called the police. The person who had called the police was not in the townhouse at any point with you. They were one of the many bystanders you had outside of the house at the beginning of your conflict where you RDMd two people. They called the police with the exact phrasing being "/911 break in at TH1" and was placed just outside of the house, in the street between the lucky lady and the shop on the corner. (4604.403809,9168.859375,139.273941) This person was not anyone in the house that you killed, and they were even originally calling for the person who was noted from prop surfing trying to get into your bathroom window. Once the person was in the bathroom window, they opened fire on cops who were trying to detain them for breaking in. Now this is what leads into the interaction that led to your PK. The officer who PK'd you was the officer shot at. Whether the guy in the bathroom was with you or not, this was never confirmed, it gave the officer every right to enter the house. When he did, you and your partners all opened fire on the officer starting the VCWP. You and one other eventually lost the gunfight. Your third killed the officer and escaped the scene. When reviewing the clip again, there is no clipping, there is very fluid tracking with the laser and tracers appear to be following the path they're supposed to be. I understand wanting to make every argue you can to save your character, but there is no proof of hacking to be found here. So, due the fact there was no foul play in the 911 call, others had every right to enter the property, and there is no signs of hacking, you were PK'd for starting a VCWP.

Hello! So, first let me be sure to clarify something again. We do not and will not support vigilante RP. We have stated this many times but, again, vigilante RP is not a thing. You can’t sit on a roof and punish those you see fit. You can’t assist cops in PKing people fleeing from them. You’re not Batman, you’re a criminal. Second, while you may argue you didn’t know the cop was in there, that doesn’t matter. You actively chose to target and shoot a marked police car. When you did that and you hit an officer, you began the violent confrontation with police. Which ended in your death as officers on the other side of the street clearly saw you and quickly dispatched you. I wish you the best in your endeavors on future characters, but I highly suggest you stop the vigilante RP before it becomes a larger issue. Your appeal has been reviewed and denied. We have determined this PK to be reasonable and/or justified. You may not re-appeal this PK.

If you would like your appeal to be reviewed, please post it with the proper format shared above by Toast.

Hello! I have reached out to your previous HC for more context to your orders. They were able to provide me with evidence of you having a repeated behavior that was unfavorable to their faction and reasonable suspicion of you doing it even when they weren't there to see you. They had also received reports from allies of you being an issue for them. Because of these two reasons they saw it fit to have you eliminated. And while you may not be a fan of the practice, they do not need to go and post their evidence / suspicions publicly just the reasons they saw fought to have you killed. For these reasons your character will be remaining PKd. Now, the reports of metagame. While we appreciate you coming forth to say it, we do not appreciate you waiting till you have a reason to act maliciously about it to report it. We have seen many times before where players wish to report it only after they are on their way out the door or once it stops benefitting them. If it was truly a concern of yours, you would have made staff tickets for the potential instances of metagame when they happened. We thank you for reporting it, but not the reasons you did report it. Your appeal has been reviewed and denied. We have determined this PK to be reasonable and/or justified. You may not re-appeal this PK.

Hi there! It was actually I who had taken your PET flags. While the offense did seem minor at the time, it was because of your prior notes and warnings that they were taken. At the time of me taking them you already had three POs for pet flag abuse. It has been some time though and I am more than willing to give my recommendation to the reviewing staff that they are returned to you. Of course, on the condition that you do not continue to abuse them or use them to assist you in FailRP.

As Falcon touched on, when you join a criminal faction there is a prompt telling you the dangers of joining one. You accepted those terms to join their faction. You then repeatedly broke their faction rules even after warned not to. It lead to the factions HC deeming it was time for your death. In the future I recommend you read the warning you are given or follow the rules of whichever faction you join. Your appeal has been reviewed and denied. We have determined this PK to be reasonable and/or justified. You may not re-appeal this PK.

Hi, there! Yes, I am the staff member that took your PET flags. In this case I took them as a last straw situation. I have had multiple encounters with you where you are building something in the wrong location, or building moving contraptions or dupes that you have been told are not allowed. You have open countless tickets trying to get many of these contraptions approved. One even has! This time, and the last three times I have had to tell you no moving builds were not approved. Your flags have already been removed prior. You were granted them back on a second chance. Since then, you have had received multiple warnings from myself and other staff and yet you still continued to do it. I appreciate your skill at building, I just wish you had put it towards ways that are allowed or that you have made the effort in the past to get approved.

Hi, PKing admin here! You were PKd for putting someone under FearRP then being killed by them. I was originally waiting for you to update your appeal to the proper format but I will still reply while we wait. Here is the clip of the encounter that was provided to me. He walks up to you, no weapon out or damaging you in any way. You then proceed to go after him after he's left and even tell your friend "Get that guy!" You then follow him around the corner with your weapon out, off safety. Once around the corner, you again aim your weapon at them and give them an order to get into the alley. This is where you initiated FearRP and triggered your PK active status.. After this, they head into the alley, pull their weapon out and kill you. While you may argue you did not know the rules around it, ignorance does not grant you immunity to PKs. All information pertaining to PKs can found here.

As Ace explained you were in fact killed by the officer and not a random citizen or uninvolved criminal character. Even if you had, this PK would still stand as after you killed the first officer, you are PK active for 15 minutes per the PK guidelines. This is to avoid your friend or some random trying to help just killing you while you're active to cops to have you avoid an arrest or PK from the officer. There is no evidence that we could find of the OOC in IC claims you made either. Even then, OOC terms by officers referring to PKs does not immediately disqualify them. The context heavily matters. In the future, do not take gunfights with officers or be sure you can win them to avoid characters dying in the future. Your appeal has been reviewed and denied. We have determined this PK to be reasonable and/or justified. You may not re-appeal this PK.

Hi! Banning admin here. I received multiple reports of a player breaking NLR. When bringing all three ticket makers to a sit, they had reported you had come back to the area of their business and repeatedly were interacting with them after they had told you to leave and even killed you. They could not provide a clip so I had to check your logs to piece together where you were. For context all of these logs are in this exact zone, which can be confirmed by reviewing staff as well. The first interaction in your logs that was with in the timeframe of potential NLR breaks was here (4533.431152,5465.463867,-55.968750), your first death. With your first combat interaction with the same group on a new life soon after here (5300.614258,5540.248535,-45.587456). This then lead to your second death here (4945.826660,4292.528320,-63.968750). Yes, it is right at the 15 minute mark so generally I would allow some grace; however, you have two previous notes in the past month for the exact same offenses. Both NLR and NITRP. This explains the NLR. Now, the NITRP. For this, I pulled your chat logs seeing if you were speaking in voice or over text. And sure enough, you are a typer. Sorry, and this will be embarrassing on a public forum for all to see, but here are your chat logs. So, to confirm you were still interacting with them, I pulled a log from around the times of your two deaths. That log is here (4149.584473,5273.385742,-23.968750) and can also be confirmed by positional logs. Again, reinforcing your NLR rule break, but also look through those logs. That's not RP, definitely not serious RP. You have a history of being a minge and all of these logs confirmed that for me. While it may be your first ban, you have two POs for the exact same situation. Which means you have on two other separate instances been told this behavior is not welcome and not appreciated. I hope you take this time to reflect on your choices and learn to respect this community before returning to play with us again.

Please take this time to review the killing rules and idle vs active threat rules. In this situation, while yes he did pull his gun out it was clearly an accident. He turns away, safeties his weapon, then turns back. He was never an active threat so you shooting him is RDM. Also, in the future do not edit your clip after posting it to attempt to hide your attempted and failed MRDM. It shows signs of a bad faith appeal and in no way helps your case. Your ban appeal has been reviewed and denied. We have determined this ban to be reasonable and/or justified. Ensure you have read our Server Rules.

The correct character was PKd. User has since retracted their appeal. Your appeal has been reviewed and denied. We have determined this PK to be reasonable and/or justified. You may not re-appeal this PK.

As Toast already spoke on this was a Don's Orders PK. So the question comes down to the validity of the orders and why they were given. So the first claim, speaking of the faction in government tickets which are IC unless stated otherwise. You did mention the faction in your firearms ticket and then edited your message after you were helped by a member of HC which is how they knew about it, so, valid. The second reason was also you speaking in a way against the rules of your faction in another IC channel. Discord can be used as IC evidence depending on where you are speaking. In the future I highly recommend you understand if a channel is IC or OOC. Your appeal has been reviewed and denied. We have determined this PK to be reasonable and/or justified. You may not re-appeal this PK.

Mangos has already discussed the rules around violence with cops that can result in PKs. For your situation, whether it was a false arrest or not is generally handled IC via court hearings or IA reports. If it was powergame it would be a staff issue and the proper response would be to make a ticket, not attempt to RDM the officer for a misdemeanor arrest. At the end of the day, you started a violent conflict with police and lost which has resulted in your character being PKd. Your appeal has been reviewed and denied. We have determined this PK to be reasonable and/or justified. You may not re-appeal this PK.

Shittor already touched base on the subject but yes these orders are valid. It can be any offense in the families eyes, as long as you have offended them they can give valid orders for your death. Your appeal has been reviewed and denied. We have determined this PK to be reasonable and/or justified. You may not re-appeal this PK.