Holiday

Hey! You were reported by a bunch of Kosher Notra people for mass raiding the Russian Apartment Building. I was one of the people "AFK" inside. I was the one who closed the door after I ran out, seeing that I had no weapon and you guys weren't fully paying attention. I did make two plain English radio calls for all Jews to defend Room #1. I heard Honeybun's radio make a transmitting sound (he was the other AFK player). I think it's fair to say you guys got caught, read the radio transmission (due to proximity), and saw the four underground advertisements made saying that you guys were raiding the building. Within 10 verifiable minutes of organizing the response effort (with you guys trapped inside), we opened the door with about 7 armed guys, and cleared the room. You guys weren't inside. It's not like this response took 30 minutes to an hour. It was a swift response made by Kosher, Lucchese, and Popov that took no longer than 10 minutes. Even if you graze through the very small section of rules regarding Raid PKs, you'd easily find redundancy in the rules saying the following; (1) If you combat log during a raid, it's a PK (2) If you die during a raid, it's a PK (3) If you die throughout a 15 minute timer, you're PKed If you truly read the section regarding Raiding, you'd see the two sentences that address the three outcomes that result in PKs. In addition, there is not one server, on GMOD, FiveM, or any game that does not punish leaving during roleplay.

+1 This faction has and will continue to provide high quality roleplay to the server. The type of roleplay that has and will always be the pinnacle of DivergeRP, the type that continues to attract new players. Staff should consider adding this faction purely for the aspect of competition and what that could mean for a dying industry so prevalent to the server's core racket -> Oil. Wiseman has, and will continue to show effort towards becoming a roleplay mastermind in this server. He has touched every business and has made us all better... How so? I can specifically speak to the Kosher Nostra as I have been in business with Wiseman for functional slot machines & roulette tables which have set the Kwik Kash Kasino far apart from any other casino. Even with the Little Israel Deli, he has given me the idea to break the mundane cycle of tradition "door-guard" RP by sending "white-shirts" on a quest -> gathering trash. This perfectly ties into to his idea of picking up garbage on the side of the street and disposing it into the Hudson River. This would even create more EPA RP!! This guy has got it going on, give him the reigns, let him succeed.

+1 I only agree with the Green and Red. The Yellow should stay in the rules for obvious reasons.

Change it to where the everything on the person is dropped on the floor once they die. This is a simple script that would boost the effect of PKs dramatically, making it more probably for Detectives and Police to investigate the murders.

To piggy back off of Yoon's recent post, I have been thinking about this for a while. We need a craftable tracker item that can be mounted to OTHER PEOPLE'S vehicles, moveable crates, people, etc. Something that is not crafted by drugs like Gold and Silver. Instead, crafted by "stolen electronics that only New Yorker City Workers can harvest each time they repair a module around the City. A random drop of 1-3 of these, maybe base it off of experience? This would incorporate the reliance on New York City Workers and create a new black market item -> "Stolen Electronics" which would be used to make "GPS Tracker. The recipe could be available anywhere other than the Barge. And Could look like this: GPS Tracker: ------------------ 3x Silver Bar 15x Stolen Electronics This would be useful in secretly stalking people, both detectives and criminals can find a multitude of reasoning to use it. It'd be a great item to have in the game, especially to hunt or PK someone. Overall, I agree with Yoon, we need more advanced items to craft to supply a gameplay advantage to any who craft it.

If my boss tells me we're all good, on something he is supposed to do, I take it in good faith that he actually had a "go ahead" by staff. What are you on about? You need to be more involved on these forms. Smh, everyone else who had 10x more involvement than me already got appealed. #MandateStaffToReadWithTheirEyes

Totally understandable. However, you just admitted I was acting under the impression that the Popov Head Enforcer notified the proper channels. I shouldn't be penalized for his mistake! You are 100% speculating my intentions, how can I be in a gunfight and on the phone with my girlfriend, those two are mutually exclusive!!! #GuiltyByAssociation

Okay, this is just blatantly disregarding my responses at this point. The dude had an Irish pin above his head, and I was following instructions given to me. Simple, point blank.

Once again, we're viewing it not from face-value, but from speculation. I would have no way of knowing this information about the situation other than Vladislav Popov (Popov HC) got disrespected by an Irish person in front of Russian Apartments. Even at that, simply asking for an item doesn't fully escalate until they hand it over. "Attempted, Conspiracy, In Association With, to commit FailEscalation" ahh reply.

The rules mention "prop abusing" twice, both in relation to vehicles.

Your Character or Steam Name: The Holiday Inn Your SteamID (Click to retrieve): STEAM_1:0:138039649 Your Discord ID#: kyngholiday Reason for ban: Fail Escalation Length of ban: 2 Days Reason for appeal (dispute/apology): Dispute Why should you be unbanned?: Bullets refused to understand my perspective, and failed to offer due diligence by getting another staff member's opinion. I know we're not entitled to this, however it would've reinforced confidence that I actually broke a rule. I got flagged up by Popov to march on the Irish for disrespecting a High Command member in front of the Russian Apartments, I had no context, no clue what was going on. I was simply following orders given. I know that the first level of conflict escalation is Disrespect. It states under this level of conflict that we are allowed to collect "either a tax or apology demanded depending on the severity of the disrespect". I immediately went in and told one of the Irish dudes to take off his $500 rolex watch. This was symbolic, purposeful, and followed the proper engagement and alleged escalation. The only other thing I can think of is when I air punched a dude cause he kept talking shit. Im going to be honest, if you watch my clip, I was talking to my girlfriend, I wasn't even really paying attention when I did it, I more so was just fucking around cause nobody was really saying anything and I was listening to my girlfriend rant about work. Additional Information (images, videos, etc): https://medal.tv/games/garrys-mod/clips/mqOpOhZy9bvAlpXgs?invite=cr-MSxleE0sMzIzMzAzMzQ&v=172

I understand the concern about creating a loophole (“I was running so I’m no longer a threat”), but I don’t believe that applies here in the way it’s being framed. This was not a case of briefly turning away during an active gunfight. This was a full disengagement followed by flight, with no re-engagement afterward. There is a clear distinction between momentary repositioning during a confrontation and ending that confrontation entirely to attempt escape, which is reflected in the clip from my perspective. In the case of Howie Hoang, the PK was overturned by Senior Administration specifically because TroubledGhost was determined to be “no longer an active threat” at the time lethal force was used. Even though there had been a prior violent interaction involving a firearm, the deciding factor was that the threat had ended before the kill occurred. I believe that distinction is directly relevant here. I also want to address what appears to be reliance on speculation in evaluating this situation. Portions of the justification seem to be based on what I might have done, could have done, or intended to do, rather than what was actually occurring at the moment I was killed. Even from your argument about LogicNova being unable to pursue, I crashed my car and ran, instead of organizing units and prioritizing an attempted murder of an LEO over a vehicle pursuit, he shot me to PK me, effectively executing me when he could've organized units as a Sergeant to arrange my arrest. I believe this should be assessed strictly on observable actions and facts. Arguments based on potential future actions, such as the possibility that I could have re-engaged, or the officer's had to recourse are inherently speculative and go beyond evaluating an immediate, active threat. I would respectfully ask that the decision be grounded in what demonstrably occurred, rather than hypothetical scenarios. Lastly, I want to clarify that I am not trying to create a loophole or avoid consequences for my actions. I fully accept that I initiated the situation and the risks that came with that. My point is that PK validity should be determined by whether a threat is still active at the time lethal force is used, not solely by the fact that a threat existed earlier. If applied too broadly, the current interpretation could create issues in the opposite direction, where officers default to lethal force to end situations rather than pursuing arrest, effectively removing the need to justify use of force. Even if my initial actions were improper, that would not automatically justify a PK if the situation had already de-escalated, it raises the question of whether this becomes retaliation rather than a response to an active threat. Ultimately, this comes down to how the situation is viewed: (a) a continuous, ~20-38 second, active, ongoing violent confrontation, or (b) a concluded confrontation followed by a pursuit where I got shot after the violent confrontation ended. AND if police are allowed to execute criminals instead of attempting to apprehend them. I believe the latter more accurately reflects what occurred.

Firstly, I’m not disputing that I became PK-active after shooting an officer. I’ve already acknowledged that and accepted responsibility for initiating the situation. The issue isn’t whether I was PK-active, it’s how the situation was handled afterward, and whether the use of lethal force still met the server’s PK standards at that point. The PK guidelines state that situations must occur “during” an active confrontation, not after it has clearly transitioned. Even by your own timeline of ~38 seconds, there was a clear separation between the initial shooting and the moment I was killed. During that time, I fled the scene, put distance between myself and you and other officers, and did not re-engage. That’s the key issue, this was no longer an active shootout, it had become a pursuit. Secondly, regarding your claim of witnesses. You being across the street doesn’t change the fact that from my perspective I believed I wasn’t being actively engaged by multiple officers at that moment. That statement wasn’t meant to mislead, it was explaining my reasoning in the moment, even if it was incorrect. It served to elaborate on my perspective of the situation, which is in the clip presented. Thirdly, on the distance/time point, whether it was “multiple blocks” or “down the street,” the important part is that there was a break in immediate engagement. I was no longer actively firing or presenting a weapon. The situation had shifted into me fleeing, which under both the PK guidelines and general RP standards, should be handled as a pursuit unless there is still an immediate threat. Fourthly, regarding SOP, you’re correct that SOP alone doesn’t override PK rules. However, it is still relevant because the PK guidelines themselves state that officers may not execute suspects and should attempt arrest when possible. SOP helps define what is considered reasonable force in that context. At the time I was shot, I was unarmed, fleeing, and not actively engaging, which raises the question of whether lethal force was still justified versus continuing the pursuit. Lastly, I’m not trying to “lie” or misrepresent anything to get my character back. I’m laying out how the situation looked from my perspective and why I believe it no longer met the criteria of an active, immediate threat at the time lethal force was used. At the end of the day, this comes down to whether staff view this as a continuous active confrontation?- or a situation where there was a clear disengagement?- followed by lethal force after the fact.

+1 Can confirm, this guy is not only active but efficient. A well-loved member of the community deserving of Moderator.

Name of Character: Eugene "The Law" Le'Cassier Character ID: 50773 SteamID: STEAM_1:0:138039649 Your Discord ID#: kyngholiday Date of PK: 03/31/26 Reason for PK: At the time of the incident, I believed I was being repeatedly targeted and followed by certain police officers, which led me to act irrationally. During a traffic stop for reckless driving, I was removed from my vehicle, which I interpreted as escalation toward arrest. In a lapse of judgment, I discharged my weapon at the officer, believing there were no additional witnesses or officers nearby. This assumption was incorrect, as there were people in the distance and present in the area. Why should you be unPK'd?: Yes, I did initiate a violent confrontation initially, so I understand being PK-active in that moment. However, the rules specifically emphasize that this applies “during” the confrontation, not after the situation has clearly ended. After the initial incident, I disengaged. I put my weapon away, fled multiple blocks in a vehicle, crashed, and then continued running on foot. At no point after that did I re-engage officers or present an immediate threat. At that stage, this was no longer an active shootout. It had turned into a pursuit. The PK guidelines themselves clarify that situations are only valid while they are ongoing, and not after the encounter has ended and transitioned into something else. Additionally, under NYPD SOP: Firearms are a last-resort option, only to be used when there is a reasonable belief of imminent danger Excessive force is defined as force used when it is no longer necessary or when the need for force has passed Officers are expected to use the minimum force necessary to control a situation At the time lethal force was used, I was: No longer actively engaging officers No longer holding or using a weapon Actively fleeing, not posing an immediate threat to life Because of that, the use of deadly force doesn’t seem to meet the SOP standard of an immediate threat, and instead falls closer to force being used after the necessity had already passed. Also, the noticeable time gap (20+ seconds) between the initial confrontation and the kill further shows this was not a split-second self-defense decision, but force applied after the situation had already de-escalated. As far as the PK guidelines, they repeatedly emphasize that actions must occur “during” an active situation. Once a suspect disengages and creates distance, that situation is no longer the same active confrontation. In my case, there was a clear break: (1) I fled multiple blocks, (2) crashed, and then chose to (3) continued on foot. This created a new scenario -> a pursuit. not a continuation of the original shootout. I also believe the way the situation was handled leans into powergaming rather than roleplay. After a clear break in the initial confrontation where I had already fled multiple blocks, Mason Peralta continued to use lethal force roughly 20+ seconds later instead of transitioning into a pursuit and arrest scenario. They had 3 police cars in the area, 2 officers actively on scene, and multiple additional units in the city, so there were clearly other alternatives available to handle the situation without resorting to lethal force. At that point, the situation realistically should have been played out through continued RP (chase, detainment, or surrender), rather than forcing a kill to secure a PK outcome. Using lethal force after the threat has ended, especially when other RP avenues are available, bypasses the intent of the rules and removes meaningful interaction in favor of a guaranteed result. Lastly, the PK rules explicitly state that officers may not execute suspects and should attempt arrest when possible. Given that I was fleeing and no longer engaging, this should have remained an arrest/pursuit situation rather than escalating to a PK. Overall, I understand the risk I took by initiating the situation, but based on how the events unfolded afterward, I don’t believe I met the criteria of an active, immediate threat at the time lethal force was used. If possible please provide video evidence or photo evidence if PK does not follow the guidelines: https://medal.tv/games/garrys-mod/clips/mpeMafHHmQ2WTkLNZ?invite=cr-MSxVcEosMzIzMzAzMzQ&v=108 https://medal.tv/games/garrys-mod/clips/mpCv5BJVptEcoJh4j?invite=cr-MSwybUQsMzIzMzAzMzQ&v=62 https://medal.tv/games/garrys-mod/clips/mpBizCuHMPe_cqqqc?invite=cr-MSw5dEksMzIzMzAzMzQ&v=29 https://medal.tv/games/garrys-mod/clips/mpCn8Q6fHdLKe2Gt-?invite=cr-MSw1RjEsMzIzMzAzMzQ&v=241 I have the "Clip #4" in a google drive pending inquiry.

Let's be honest. What do we all want in a staff member, and does Andy possess these traits?; Is he active? Is he well-known Is he emotionally aware of others? Is he impartial? Does he speak fluent English? Is he submissive Does he have a deep understanding of the rules? WILL HE TAKE OUR TICKETS? I am indifferent about this, seeing that I highly weigh both activity and impartial staffing, do with the above information as you please.

I think he means the religious studies building.

This would force more player to player interaction. Even if automatic tables were there, it'd be something like Lucky Lady. And places like Lucky Lady would get more business

What in the parody post is this

Replace [Insert Dead Property] with office spaces. Lets agree to that.

Lawyers meet with their clients on discord. Newspaper companies are sitting in front of City hall with a table. Any serious Financial institution like a loan company doesn't have anywhere to go. There is a serious need, and I think if you water this plant, you'll see the fruit soon after.

In converting the Casino into, lets say 4 office spaces, you'll create the following productive RP situations: - You'll expand LegalRP to have a place on the map, which means; - More IC RP taking place in the city, which means; - There will be an increased player count in the city. - The city will rake in more money from property, which means; - Expanded Budgets for NYPD and Public Defenders/District Attorneys Offices - It'll flourish that side of town which currently is underserved with RP. - Player-owned Casinos [Kwik Kash Kasino, Lucky Lady, etc.] would have more of a monopoly, which means; - Players needing to scratch that itch would be forced into player interactions, which means; - The city would experience more RP as a result. - Casino Tables that are in the current Casino building could be moved into the properties of the player owned casinos, much like how Lucky Lady has it currently. This seems like a small adjustment to the map that would bring so much needed RP, especially after the destruction of World Corp. Pendred: That'll exceed the current budget of the map's textures or whatever Us: Just deleted that stupid little shadow realm dimension that is accessible only from a small prop on the roofs. Or even the GOVERNORS MANSION.

I think allowing the option to turn an entity into a prop for the time being would limit that reality. It'd be a wonder to code.

Allow a feature in the 'C' menu of a car to park it, which turns it into a prop so it doesn't despawn. Which then can be undone by which ever method is practical for the server to allow it to be drivable again.

This keyboard warrior who so happens to also be a forums warrior should've looked at the ongoing popularity of this conversation, evident by other threads talking about this same thing. The world doesn't revolve around you bud.