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Oh also, thanks for letting me know you're alting on Prometheus. I'll be sure to find your accounts there and ban them, seeing as you're community exiled from there on your main!4 points
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Opening PKs On Cops, witsec changes: Right now, as it stands, there’s no recourse for police. Oftentimes, from what I’ve seen, the DAs office is unable to prosecute officers for purposes of maintaining the peace. IA, is often unwilling, because they think it should be a legal issue, or they’re friends so they get a slap on the wrist. Or sometimes nothing happens at all. And then good cops, often are fired. It’s a crack in the system that we’ve seen for a while, and the voices of the community have gotten larger asking for something to be done. To have some kind of recourse as a criminal. As a criminal, all you can do is watch as detectives, or other officers, blow through your entire organization, and go really overly hard on your organization in order to get whatever victory they have in mind. There’s nothing to be done. Typically, even if you find the detective, they’re placed inside the PD which is unraidable, and the only people willing to risk their job are usually conflict locked from doing so. So, detectives don’t get killed. They don’t usually get fired. They never get prosecuted. Same goes for every bureau, really. But Detectives are the current complaint of the community. What I propose, is finally opening up the window to actually pking cops. We need to loosen the rules surrounding cops being killed, and with that enter into actual RP. Now, there obviously needs to be restrictions, because obviously we want cops to be able to do their jobs and target illegal activities. However, there should be a limit. For instance, an orchestrator sends a UC into your faction. The UC escapes, and gets locked in the PD. You know who is running the operation, it’s some higher ranking detective. You can’t get to the UC, as they’re locked up. Soon, they’ll disappear. Open the door to killing the orchestrator. Require the PD to do some really great maneuvering and have to witsec the orchestrator too. This will provide an ample cooldown, so when a faction gets hit, you’re not in a situation where multiple factions are getting hit at once, because the orchestrator has to disappear. Furthermore, open the window to raids on the PD to kill these people. Obviously, it’s almost impossible to find someone who would be able to let you in, because even if you get let in you’re gonna have to start killing cops and it is considered a raid. I’d say, if HC is being targeted in a faction, allow for MAIN CHARACTERS (verified active players as well), be able to raid the PD when the orchestrator/UC is online in order to pk them. This should be done with UA APPROVAL. Pre-screened individuals who are partaking in this. The risk will lie in this kind of operation. You can kill one operation against your organization, but you naturally open the door to retaliation from the remaining individuals in the Detectives/PD. believe that it’s imperative to outline exactly what would constitute approval of this kind of operation. I’ve designed them such: Expansion of an initial operation (i.e. attempted to gather even more evidence by sending another person in, trying to find ways to seize properties that aren’t directly involved in the crime, trying to harass them, having people constantly overwatching them, etc. Anything that continues to occur after a UC is pulled out, or a case is started. You better get your information all at once, lest you end up at risk as a detective.) Attempt to take all properties. If an organization only has one property, that is the lifeline of the organization. It’s imperative that they’re able to keep that. Lest they have to pay 10m+ to try and get it back, and that usually requires going to daddy faction for a loan, putting them in a predicament. If they have 2 properties, and one is being attempted to be seized, sure. If both, let the raid happen. Worth noting this does NOT include individual rented rooms. Let the detectives blow through those, as they’re just returned pretty quickly. Attempt to harass, further gather evidence blatantly. If your initial operation concludes, i.e. criminal charges are brought, and you go into double dip and it's discovered, or they realize when more charges are added against more people, let the raid happen. Don targeted, second targeted, or more than 2 members of HC. If the don gets charges, let the raid happen. Second in command, let the raid happen. If more than 2 members of general HC are targeted, let the raid happen, let them have their chance to kill them. The investigation intends to seize cash reserves. Specifically cash. If they want to touch the faction funds, that's life changing enough that they may want to take the risk. Let the raid happen. The investigation brings charges against more than 12 people. This is, for a lot of factions, VERY game changing. Some of y'all are struggling. If the investigation, like a warrant wildfire, hits 13 people, let the raid happen. Threats from the police. If someone comes to threaten you to comply and give someone up, let the threat giver be set active and pked. Raid optional. Now, with this in mind, it’s incredibly important to set ground rules for the responsibilities of the cops. If you’re the cop(s) in question, being targeted you must: Log on for 30 minutes a day, at any time of the day. If there’s more than one cop being greenlit for death, they must both be in city at the same exact time, for the same duration You must be inside the PD. Anywhere. You can have as much firepower as possible; but if schedules don't align, you’re going to have to hope you can skate by for that 30 minutes. You can log out at the 30 minute mark, UNLESS there is an active raid into the PD. You must check with staff to see if it is clear for you to leave. If there’s an active raid, you must wait. You may not miss more than one day in a row, WITH UA approval. You’ll be screened to make sure you’re not playing other games. You will be char locked to your PD char. You can’t play any other characters during this time. If you’re the assaulters in question, you will: Be given 1 week to successfully do this. If the case is successful against you, you will be given an infinite window to kill the people involved, unless they get witsec, to which you will have to prove they’re the same person ICly. You must identify the orchestrator. Either by confirmation from police officers who are willing to give you that information, or by figuring it out on your own in a way that UA deems reasonable, accurate and IC. You will be given an infinite amount of raid attempts during that week. But they’ll only be on for a 30 minute window, so you’ll have to wait around ready to suit up. After 1 week, your raid permission ends. You will all be pk active while attempting raids. If you are a ranking member, you will not be able to return into your original role. You will start as an associate. If you are the staff member, you will: Verify all characters Set all characters pk active to the NYPD Oversee all times that they’re online. If they want to be online at 3 am, someone has to be online at 3 am to oversee. Verify ability to leave for the officers (i.e. no raid going on) Verify all information is true, accurate, and IC that leads to PK activity on officer(s). Workarounds to consider: Chances are, if this goes into effect, the PD will try to hide these things. Via working with the DAs office. This should be extended to the DAs office - IF - the individuals who are looking for the orchestrator threaten the ADA/DA/whatever who’s running the case in court to give up the information, and they refuse to after 3 violent and clear threats. (One, if they refuse to log on ever again) (Also worth noting - they don't log on, so an in-game pager will suffice if the faction uses resources in the PD to get their ssns), then allow a pk on that ADA/DA/whatever. Let the prosecutors choose who’s getting witsec’d - the orchestrator or them. See next page for more Altered Cop Rules Make witsec have to take place IC and actually conclude. What do I mean by this? Well, right now the way witsec works is you log on, you’re already in a backroom in the PD, you get your name changed and your faction changed and you immediately log out. I say, make them stay online for 1 hour after a witsec, to allow for individuals to either A. kill them or B. identify them successfully. Furthermore, make them actually leave the PD, and get to a “Safehouse”, like the governors mansion. Then, if they’re bringing driven, their convoy can be intercepted, cops shot, individual identified or kidnapped. Then, they need to stay online for 1 hour after they arrive at the “Safehouse”. What would successful identification look like, in this situation? It would be that an individual(s) gain entry or intercept the convoy, and lay eyes on the guy. If this is achieved, the witsec’d individual cannot be witsec’d again at all. They have to remain that identity and risk death every day.1 point
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This has to be the most pathetic excuse of an alt appeal I've ever seen, in what world did you think this approach was going to work? Translation: Measures I have taken to try and evade detection Different IP of Bronco Different accent Different RP style Fully aged dc/steam account Have servers/messages with people outside of diverge from before that are servers that I am still active on I am a full Prometheus player with evidence of this You couldn't have made a more moronic appeal if you tried, it's also pathetic how much time and money you are sinking into alting constantly, just suck it up like everyone else in your position has, fork out the cash in a donation ticket, and you can play on your original main account again, or whichever account you want. As far as I know you did nothing severe except alting, so it's really not that deep.1 point
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also, it isnt nazis, there is a different lore to it. It is imperial germany as in nationalism not facism1 point
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I am being honest. I have only recently found the original account i was banned on. Although come to think of it i think the first 2 where me trying to ban evade actually so maybe your right. it was awhile ago i cant really remember.1 point
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Get the shit out of my forums post kid. You are banned from Krautnation, (Also he's referring to the notorious Nazi LARP)1 point
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Justfire sighted in Sauerkraut thread - expect war to break out imminently below1 point
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the kirov bratva did not take long the majority of it was just a guy UC and a wiretap and then I went and [REDACTED] and the don died mysteriously and the second don took a life sentence plea deal and they got to keep their property because [REDACTED] part of the reason you have blacklists from UC work is because people are really mad about UC work being overpowered and there being no recourse so they get real big mad and salty and ban them. Shockingly, people are frustrated because theres been a lot over the past few months. they feel like they're being hit with 2 bit cases that have no viable end and they're getting too wide a target on their properties and HC when there's not even any tangible legal route to make in those regards, and they feel they're being continued to be targeted beyond the initial crimes asserted Yeah, people are gonna be mad. This isnt a "Hey we should just insta pk detectives" suggestion; this is an assertion that it should at least be possible. Put it frankly, you overestimate the importance of cop RP compared to crim RP. Yes, your operation took 4 months. Yes, you worked really hard on this. But the faction in a lot of cases is years old and you want to tear it down immediately. They should have a running chance at surviving. Want to avoid the risk? Avoid the risky actions. Get good at assett protection. Enlist spec ops to do protection operations at 4 in the morning. I could literally make an entire document filled to the brim with methods of avoiding death, and you should reasonably be able to figure out how to do the same. Your months of hard work is noble, I know because I did it. And if it was me at that time I would've said you're crazy. But with the outrage from the community, and seeing whats been going on where factions are getting fucked six ways to sunday en masse, this "2 or 3 times a year" seizure thing is hitting its quota very quickly, and its gonna burst the chart You don't have to change your operations. You don't have to change who you target. Matter of fact, existing cases shouldn't be applicable. But in the future, you'll have to move like a detective and avoid death, and not just when you're in a faction, and you'll be a better detective for it.1 point
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-1 by far. (I know I am biased as hell here, however I want to try and dissect this.) The suggestion when first read makes sense in a whiteboard perspective. Opening the door to more action against the PD would make the PD on more equal footing within the city as a whole. We're missing the other ways the PD, especially the Detectives Bureau and DOJ, is held back. Its already an underdog fight. Legal RP is a very slow, meticulous process, with many, many moving parts not really visible to much outside the PD. For example, Kirov Bratva takedown last year was a six month operation. It involved many people, including UCs, day in and out to find evidence, develop strategies on taking down individuals using such evidence, and then.... the doorkicks and property seizures, etc. It looks like maybe a 1-2 person job from the outside, but inside it can be over twenty people in some cases. Once the doors are kicked and charges are filed, months of work gets put into motion. This is part of the reason why on an average basis, organization charges/takedowns happen roughly 2-4 times a year. They're not exactly simple find, point, charge, PK sorta things. This process starts with a slew of both written, and unwritten rules both IC and OOC. From faction consideration, operation planning (as strategies have to constantly be changed and adapted on the fly) , and execution involves many manhours of work, before any actual investigation even starts. Many times, UA tickets are opened for consultation before an operation is even attempted because if successful, we know the first thing that will happen will be a UA ticket being filed, trying to overturn it. This is not even bringing up the concerns that many people have before even considering becoming or assisting UCs. We have had people threatened OOC, harassed, and blacklisted from practically every faction in town because of their choice to try going UC. The risks are present, even if the official stance is that according to the rules, they are currently lower-risk. There is already avenues for non-DA/DOJ or even non-PD characters have for going after potential dirty cops. An entire court system is present, ready, and willing (honestly begging) for civil cases to try and litigate issues. For criminal charges, if a dirty cop is exposed in a criminal case? The case is likely to be tossed via an impeached and shamed witness. The avenues are present, however are seldomly used. In the scenario of the 13 arrest warrants above? MAYBE 1 or 2 go to trial. 10 will delete their characters, 1 will just never get back in the server ever again, and the 1 or 2 going to trial are usually lower ranking, making the case more procedural rather than a true fight. As the guy who has been helping run the Detectives honestly for far too long, I am aware of the odd balance the bureau has on the city. Go too hard, and the main purpose of the game is moot. Make it so that being a detective is a constant liability? The already strained bureau will likely collapse, and the PD in general will become nothing more than meter maids and whiteshirts who find a gun at Probationary to shoot people. I should know. Typhon servers allowed for PKing detectives and easier rules on raids. It just led to low ranking detectives going vigilante, and trying to just shoot their way out of a case problem, rather than actually try and work a case. Including considerations to allow for DAs and ADAs to be threatened, and potentially killed for trying to prosecute a case will, once again, make an already strained group even more strained, to the point of absence. Why even get on the job when you'll just be selling out to threats from everyone? I could go on and on about how this is effectively suicide for LegalRP as a whole. This idea once again, makes sense when you believe legal and crim RP are equals, when in fact they never have been, and are designed currently to be asymmetric.1 point
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Your Character or Steam Name: Coconut, Dr. Marco bernardi, Callum hazard Your SteamID (Click to retrieve): STEAM_0:1:114065865 Your Discord ID#: C.oco Reason for ban: goodbye!! Enjoy fiveM with the others Length of ban: Perma Reason for appeal (dispute/apology): Apology Why should you be unbanned? Realistically I know this probably wont be accepted this earlier. Ive been around long enough to know that. Im kind of hoping for a reduced ban. Again presuming this wont be the case. Ive been playing Diverge and mafia RP for over 5-6 years ive seen all come and go. Ive seen many eras of mafia rp. as well as the people. I will hold my hands up and say since I got pkd on my og Bonnano char and even before that ive been very mouthy and have said my piece multiple time. The state of the beef on the server and the constant shitty ooc squabbles all from years ago has got very out of hand from both sides. I had been playing recently to be the guy that would go out and defend my faction in these situations. Rather than be HC and try resolve it with words. The situation today happened because someone took a IC photo of another Lucchese who was taking photos of them. This resulted in everyone coming over and starting a situation outside of the meat market ending in some words being exchanged. I exchanged some words back because vinny had previously said some words against me as well as a bunch of lucchese saying some very horrible words towards me that can effect **IRL** Consciences for any info on those messages u can dm me. This resulted in a sitdown asking for the death of my character and presumably ended there. Until my Ban. I will put my hands up and say that was a very dumb decision to talk back to those issues. I believe my many roles on the server such as, First Deputy Commissioner, Underboss, First Deputy Mayor, Councilman, FBI, Staff was to push for more roleplay especially my most recent run in Crim rp where I believe. I was a advocate for more roleplay on the server by (Although not deemed very nice by most) reporting members for breaking RP as well as creating and coordinating player ran roleplay events. Anyhow Ill accepted all the -1s from everyone but for a guy that has played the server for 5-6 years and has accumulated a total of 1 day and 1 hour ban on his record I would love for the chance to come back in the future and help out Btown. Worst comes to worst I hope the best for BTOWN and Bullets!! +1 String Additional Information (images, videos, etc):1 point
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Are you braindead or short-term memory loss? That's the other 1940's LARP Pendred does...0 points
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-1, seems more like a fast food joint to me also the backstory NEEDS to be improved fs-1 points
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Let me cook with some clips and screen shots from our DMs. You have been going on this four about a month now. Embarrassing.-1 points
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@joeeey1 Outside of all the evidence of you and your personal vendetta against some Bronco guy. How does this correlate to me? I don't care what beef you had with him, we have never even had a conversation IC or even in the discord? we have 20 messages max of you just calling me a bozo for no reason-1 points
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Your Character or Steam Name: Michael Tattaglia Your SteamID (Click to retrieve): https://steamcommunity.com/profiles/76561198311092586/ Your Discord ID#: zuzana0199 Reason for ban: Alting Length of ban: 1 month Reason for appeal (dispute/apology): Dispute Why should you be unbanned? I am not an alt. There is no evidence against me that is solid besides my supposed voice, and even then the accent and rp style of me and Bronco's are totally different. This Joey guy says Bronco joined the jews and was pked, but that can't make sense because why would I go join the same faction of the admin who supposedly is out to ban Bronco. I ssed to like 6 different people to prove my innocence and there was nothing against me. I have a legitimate discord/steam account and play prometheus, I have dms with lots of people who play servers that I am relevant to. Also, if I was alting why would I take the RP as serious as I did? None of this evidence concludes to me having an alt and I have shown numerous evidence that I am not alt. I have made good friends here and this is tomfoolery, I have never alted a day in my life and like playing gmod as a hobby. I have been nothing but kind and respectful to everyone so I don't understand how I could be accused of alting. Reasons against this ban: Different IP of Bronco Different accent Different RP style No valid evidence that can convey reason for this ban Fully aged dc/steam account Have servers/messages with people outside of diverge from before that are servers that I am still active on I am a full Prometheus player with evidence of this Additional Information (images, videos, etc): Please ask questions.-1 points
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