Ban appeal for "pk hunting"

[Hans Hunnebun]

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Your Character or Steam Name: Hans Garcia

Your SteamID (Click to retrieve):STEAM_0:0:628592126

Your Discord ID#: crispytacos0438

Reason for ban: Pk hunting

Length of ban: 1 month

Reason for appeal (dispute/apology): Dispute 

Why should you be unbanned? I was contracted by Bao Zen Nosha to mug this a specific person that either left or was unwhitelisted in Takashashi. He said to grab all the Japenese items that they might have and to return them to him. Upon identifying the female and initiating the mug, I noticed that they would not put their hands up. Given the knowledge that they were in Takahashi and I had recently worked at Takahashi, I knew that this individual may be in possession of a firearm.  
With this in mind, I did not want to restrain the individual without them putting their hands in the air first as a safety precaution. After many warnings for this person to put their hands up had passed, I decided to just end up shooting them because they were not complying with my demands. I don't see how this is pk hunting, given the contract and it's details. I would understand how this looks like pk hunting if there was no reason behind the mugging. If I was just mugging anybody with clothing store items and trying to force a pk. However, I gave them many opportunities to comply with my demands and they did not listen.  

Information (images, videos, etc): https://medal.tv/games/garrys-mod/clips/nH2zOJSAmTQI8PT28?invite=cr-MSwzbVksMTk3ODk5MjU1

[calink]

This is an extremely blatant PK hunting scenario - You had over 17 seconds in close proximity to the player, without tying them and still you imply they weren't complying with the mug when they clearly were - you just wanted to try and pull off a fast one.

The fact you are mugging AT ALL is a wonder, after 3 perma-bans I think you should have learnt your lesson. You were also more recently told in a UA ticket to cut it out.

Regardless of the context of you being hired to target mug a guy or not, it's clear you were intending on killing, not mugging. Nothing about the backstory you are telling explains, permits or in anyway justifies the behavior that happens during the mug, it's just a grasp at straws to justify your actions.

You are genuinely lucky that I felt it'd be better to ban you for 4 weeks in this instance, as others were happy to perma you once again. On your next mugging related offense, you will almost certainly be re-perma'd.

Have a good one and good luck on the appeal.
Should it stand, the 4 weeks will hopefully serve as a reminder that you are on thin ice.
 

[VICE]

free da neegy

Edited 18 hours ago by VICE

[Jxy3]

I'm trying to figure out how and why this is against the rules. The person was noncompliant. Being non compliant during a mugging gets you killed. 

If you think for any second that a nga from my whitelist isn't strapped with a pm9, THEY are either retarded or your dead wrong - because everyone has a gun. They should not of kept moving on and off and simply just complied with the mugging and it would've never turned to a pk. 

I understand why "PK hunting" is being brought up due to the lack of restraints being used, but me personally? I'm not getting pked because some retard cant stand still. Stop making rules to make mugging harder, it's part of the game for a reason. Either take it out completely since everyone's so fucking soft - or make it simple and not such a pain in the ass for someone to successfully perform a mugging.

If someone is noncompliant, anyone who would just walk right up and give multiple chances to be able to restrain them, they are not muggers, they are asking to be PK'ed

[Jxy3]

1. Breaking FearRP or showing disregard for your own life which results in death; this means if you kill yourself in an attempt to avoid an arrest or mugging, intentionally drowning or falling to your death to avoid detainment, or even having a friend or faction member kill you while you are detained are all considered a 'disregard for your own life' and can lead to a PK.
   In what way is repeating "BUT BUT BUT" and walking in circles compliant? Come on bro. This is actually a joke  A disregard for your life would be NOT standing still after being told stop and put your hands up would it not? 

[Drakarus]

5 minutes ago, Jxy3 said:

1. Breaking FearRP or showing disregard for your own life which results in death; this means if you kill yourself in an attempt to avoid an arrest or mugging, intentionally drowning or falling to your death to avoid detainment, or even having a friend or faction member kill you while you are detained are all considered a 'disregard for your own life' and can lead to a PK.
   In what way is repeating "BUT BUT BUT" and walking in circles compliant? Come on bro. This is actually a joke  A disregard for your life would be NOT standing still after being told stop and put your hands up would it not? 

Right, when the lady stands at the wall completely still - why did she ever move from that spot? the second hans or whoever got close to her she moves off into the road and stands still -

If she would of completely stopped and they killed her for not pressing f7 fair enough but this is clearly because she was not compliant -

 

I understand we should only comment on these type of appeals  when its important so I hope I do not get a forums warning for this as its not my intent to create a argument with the banning staff but another eye for the reviewing staff

 I feel like if you watch the video you can see from the second the gun was drawn this person had no concern for there own life -

They take off running take 3.5s to stop and  then continue moving around while typing "but " but "but " which would also make me think, that they are stalling for non compliance reasons and then she starts walking straight towards them when nobody is telling her to do so - infact she was told to stop running multiple times

Edited 17 hours ago by Drakarus

[Jxy3]

4 minutes ago, Drakarus said:

Right, when the lady stands at the wall completely still - why did she ever move from that spot? the second hans or whoever got close to her she moves off into the road and stands still -

If she would of completely stopped and they killed her for not pressing f7 fair enough but this is clearly because she was not compliant -

 

I understand we should only comment on these type of appeals  when its important so I hope I do not get a forums warning for this as its not my intent to create a argument with the banning staff but another eye for the reviewing staff

 I feel like if you watch the video you can see from the second the gun was drawn this person had no concern for there own life -

They take off running take 3.5s to stop and  then continue moving around while typing "but " but "but " which would also make me think, that they are stalling for non compliance reasons and then she starts walking straight towards them when nobody is telling her to do so - infact she was told to stop running multiple times

Agreed the only reason I responded is because my SB was the one who contracted it so I have some investment in this situation.

I don't see a single second where I personally would've went in for restraints, until the person was sat still, and stopped playing dumb. Is what it is. Good to know the rules are still backwards ig lol

[Geo_Zeus]

@Hans Hunnebunbeing a mugging connoisseur should know that "put your hands in the air" or "put your hands up" is not a valid request during a mugging. I'm pretty sure that's been stated time and time again. If I were in your shoes i'd take the 30 day and be thankful that it's not a 4th perma ban.

[MorbidWizard]

32 minutes ago, Geo_Zeus said:

@Hans Hunnebunbeing a mugging connoisseur should know that "put your hands in the air" or "put your hands up" is not a valid request during a mugging. I'm pretty sure that's been stated time and time again. If I were in your shoes i'd take the 30 day and be thankful that it's not a 4th perma ban.

are you rebooted?

[helpitburns]

+1 unban andd now

[helpitburns]

5 hours ago, Geo_Zeus said:

@Hans Hunnebunbeing a mugging connoisseur should know that "put your hands in the air" or "put your hands up" is not a valid request during a mugging. I'm pretty sure that's been stated time and time again. If I were in your shoes i'd take the 30 day and be thankful that it's not a 4th perma ban.

you are one jackass arent you

Edited 5 hours ago by helpitburns

[velocity]

Hello, I'm going to comment on this matter, as I am the other individual involved in the clip.

We were approached by a member of Takahashi-Kai and asked to mug a particular individual. We agreed and subsequently spotted the individual leaving PD grounds. We offered her a ride, which she accepted, and she entered my vehicle.

We then drove to the tunnel parking lot, where Hans immediately exited the vehicle, drew his weapon, and ordered her to put her hands up. She did not comply with this order, ran off into the tunnel area and even went as far as typing something in chat instead of COMPLYING under FearRP. This continued for a considerable amount of time, during which she had ample opportunity to comply. As a result of her continued noncompliance, she was killed.

Regarding the individual claiming that "put your hands up" is not a valid command, that is simply incorrect. I do(n't) mean to come across as arrogant, but I've personally administered over 100 PKs during my time as staff, with only two of them ever being overturned. I believe that gives me a fairly solid understanding of what constitutes a valid roleplay command. Ordering someone to put their hands up is an entirely valid roleplay command. An invalid command, on the other hand, would be something along the lines of "flex your F7 muscle," as that explicitly requires a player to use a specific keybind rather than comply with an instruction given through roleplay. There is a clear distinction between the two, and telling someone to put their hands up does not fall into the latter category.

Under the server rules, this individual became subject to PK when she refused to comply and proceeded to walk away despite both of us having our firearms aimed directly at her. I also repeatedly ordered her to return, which she continued to disregard.

I will attach my own clip to provide further context and demonstrate that the individual was given multiple opportunities to comply.

This PK was valid under the server rules, and I genuinely believe Calink erred in his decision. Should this ban appeal be accepted, I also request that the note issued to me as a result of this same incident be removed.

https://medal.tv/games/garrys-mod/clips/nH2yWR05Oc52v7L1c?invite=cr-MSxpNDQsNDc2NzAzOTA0

Me attempting to explain to Calink what had happened: 

https://medal.tv/games/garrys-mod/clips/nH2QdxWBA6f__HoVb?invite=cr-MSxTZ1csNDc2NzAzOTA0

Edited 4 hours ago by velocity

[velocity]

If you watch either clip, you can clearly see the individual running away from Hans after he had drawn his firearm and explicitly ordered her to put her hands up. Strictly from a rules perspective, this was the point at which we would have been justified in killing the individual, resulting in a PK, as she was blatantly fleeing despite being held at gunpoint and ordered to comply.

However, rather than immediately resorting to killing her, we chose to give her another opportunity to comply, under the assumption that she might have been a new player unfamiliar with the rules. We gave her well over 10 seconds to put her hands up or return to the tunnel parking lot, as I had repeatedly ordered her to do.

Despite these repeated commands and ample opportunity to comply, she continued to disregard our orders. Only after this continued noncompliance did we resort to killing her.

This was not PK hunting. This was an individual repeatedly refusing to comply with armed threats in violation of FearRP, despite being given multiple opportunities to do so. Her death was a direct consequence of that noncompliance, not an attempt on our part to deliberately seek out a PK.

[Shauningt]

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3 hours ago, velocity said:

but I've personally administered over 100 PKs during my time as staff

 

how come you're not staff anymore