Forgery ID for Felons

[Kyta]

I think it would be an interesting idea to allow felons to carry alternative IDs that appear the same as standard IDs, so they aren’t immediately singled out during cops routine check and it doesn't limit them on whether they can buy guns or not. These IDs would be designed so that regular officers couldn’t easily tell the difference during routine interactions. As well as would allow felons to carry weapons and potentially buy guns, as well as to balance it out its still going to be risky and expensive to get a forgery copy. As well as they can set what they want on it, and the more modifications they want, the more challenging it's going to be to get the forgery copy. Just to have a clean non-felon would be the cheapest forged id to get, but then moving to it, also saying a different name, gun license, whether it has attachment tamp, etc would get more complicated and more challenging to retrieve. However, to make it so cops can catch it, higher-ranking or specially authorized officers (such as corporals+) would have a specific tool, like a specialized device that allows them to verify whether the ID is standard or forged when necessary. This way, identification remains discreet while still giving law enforcement a controlled method of verification, and also gives a chance for felons to carry a gun, etc.

[KingJewMonaclu]

Fine but then detectives get it too.

 

 

Make the deal.

[Kyta]

2 minutes ago, KingJewMonaclu said:

Fine but then detectives get it too.

 

 

Make the deal.

I think that makes sense too, I agree.

[Sips]

+1 makes sense for like all detectives and then cops of a certain rank to get the ability to identify them. Could be cool to have a much riskier player driven way to make money + now they can prosecute counterfeiting. 

[RevampedRebel]

1 hour ago, Sips said:

+1 makes sense for like all detectives and then cops of a certain rank to get the ability to identify them. Could be cool to have a much riskier player driven way to make money + now they can prosecute counterfeiting. 

Nah metagame on diverge goes too crazy

[Bullets]

-1 ASS

[Hoovis]

-1 dumb idea
"oh no my criminal organization has FELONS in it!!!"

also if there was a training to recognize fake IDs it would instantly be required for every single cop

or, since they can legally do so, they would just detain you in place until an authorized officer comes to check.

Edited 23 hours ago by Hoovis

[Canadian-bacon]

I can see this only being remotely balanced if it was dependent on the 'quality' of the fake and it would cap out at a certain percentage to show a convincing fake ID or an obvious piece of shit fake id.

Like 85% success rate for the top quality one you can get.

or else you just show them:



But where would you get the fakes? Who would sell them? If one single faction can control the fakes market cant they just control the supply to not give it to their enemies? Who is gonna be buying n using' fakes? Does the fake include a fake gun license too? etc etc

[Kyta]

I personally think it would be better for an NPC at the barge or sewers be selling/trading these where you can first get the fake and then potentially have more options such as change name, gun license, attachment stamp, etc. 

Potentially it would be also cool to have civs to do it as another way of them making money potentially but I still think the NPC would be better.

As well as a instead of device that can see it, I agree with the success rate, it also could be a simple roll where when a cop asks for ID, it will be an automatic roll system on a fake, whether it shows the good standard ID that's hard to see or something like what you posted. The roll can be more favorable for those who decide to invest more into a fake with more upgrades with stamps and gun licenses but also with higher chance with roll.

I think the majority who would use it are felons with fake gun licenses and everything fake, so they can go and buy guns or carry them openly, as a lot of people when they become felons either make new characters or just get their felony record removed a couple of months later. This would motivate people on getting something instead of creating a new char over and over again. As well as they can change their name in those ids.

 

[Hoovis]

So how much would a fake cost, if the whole idea was to use it to be able to carry guns? $100k for one with a class 3 on it to match the price of just getting it legally? How many felons do you think care about avoiding jail enough to spend that type of money on something that might help them? 
There are risks to being involved in criminal organizations. Once you become a felon there is no point in trying to avoid jailtime other than a life sentence. Taking that very small amount of risk away with a fake license would be useless.

Edited 3 hours ago by Hoovis

[Jennay]

Would be interesting as a racket, could also have a chance of being caught like how the stolen checks are set up. Instead of it being permanent could be something u have to buy every life so that it keeps people buying. Could be like kevlar so its something you have to make and doesn’t belong to a specific faction. Could also see this adding an extra step for gun stores having to verify legitimate IDs and how sales logs would hold up legally when there is a log with a fake id listed. Could also add more rp to needing to check IDs to sell alcohol to 21+ chars which could add another gov job of compliance checkers making sure restaurants aren’t selling liquor to chars 20 and under which then pushes for those chars to also get fake IDs not just felons so they can enter bars and clubs, not sure how often that would be utilized but i like the thought. 

 

+1