Make Factions Fear God Again (FBI/RICO)

[RevampedRebel]

3 hours ago, Geo_Zeus said:

You're preying on new players that do not know the game to give more power to the police. If that passed nobody would hire anyone new cause of the liability and the server would start a gradual downfall. "Oh you don't know the difference between keys and hands? sorry you can't play here cause we can get RICO'd". Everyone has been a "fucking mong white shirt with a bat who selects hands instead of keys every time" at some point. Imagine if 1 faction got RICO'd for every one of those guys that just haven't learned the way this works yet.

The difference is these factions take fresh players and dump em in the wild with little to no training or rp. That or the new hires go straight into the racket without permission which in itself is kinda goofy and alr leaves factions open to a world of shit. 

 

If you read thru everything, you'd have seen the part that explicitly prevents that abuse by simply restricting your rackets. And that goes doubly for the gun racket factions. Giving leadership the ability to police their shit is valuable. 

 

RICO doesn't kick in with one single person the investigations are long and complex. You'd need to identify everyone from the middle up definitively which is a challenge in itself. Then proving that they are the direct beneficiaries of crimes that are either arranged by them or on their behalf by others. You'd need to prove past, present, and future crimes. The bar is insanely high and even moreso when you factor in safeguards meant to prevent it's abuse. Even as it stands right now you can't snitch on a faction without UA halting things to check on shit. In the last week I've already seen a law get retconned because I was gonna blow a faction up with it which granted it was a little OP as it was written. 

 

Shit actively has UA involved in it as it is. The FBI bit wouldn't be mega cop with tanks and helicopters that shit would still be deferred to on ESU most likely in an ideal model. Pretty much this just lines up factions that don't take the time to teach their new and old people operational security. 

 

3 hours ago, Coconut said:

Rico..... Ah yes lets use something that can be easily metagamed/Powergamed. Rico. Ah yes I can join a discord and then arrest everyone because ik their rank structure.

Rico ah yes let me make a new char and join a faction and then just fuck them over because im bored.

Rico doesnt work. Because it just gets abused like fuck. If you actually played years ago you would know why it was removed. Discord message after discord message used.

Rico ah yes let me have my cop char take down a faction I dont like.

Abuse Abuse Abuse Abuse.

FBI?

Ah yes let me kill michael mikvik so he doesnt get the chance of actually being prosecuted.

FBI ah yes let us just beef pd and abuse our power.

FBI Ah yes lets just walk around with and M249

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Ive been apart of all of the above. It didnt work 4 years ago why would it work now on a less RP diverge?

Narrowing the scope down and maintaining the current standard of UA review pretty much avoids all the issues you mentioned. They'd get the same guns the PD get. They don't patrol or do shit the PD is responsible for. Keeping the number down to 5 and keeping it restricted to gov mains AND those who hold a rank no higher than senior associate in any faction does this even further. Using ESU for the big showdown prevents robbing the PD of otherwise fun or valuable RP. Even as it exists right now admins are prone to just void rp where they feel things are too powerful I've already experienced it 3 times in detectives in a not so long time. With all that in mind, why allow factions that don't even use common sense to continue on? If you get a RICO case that literally indicates you took no action to shield your faction or a lot of high up people left a fuck ton of bread crumbs. RICO doesn't aim low it aims high. There are so many sensible ways to avoid it. Stashes and trunks instead of banks, policing your racket (adding the ability to manage who can and can't use it is also just way overdue ngl) and more like if you truly think these dons were putting their names on everything you're flat out crazy. Do you put your name on the apartment your boys are grinding in? Why do it on the business you're using to illegally launder your money? 

 

3 hours ago, Marshal said:

-1 RICO would be abused hard, associates could tank an entire faction so easy

If you're a don directly engaging with associates as they grind their drugs you've already done your job wrong. If a senior associate can identify you as the guy who hooked em up with drugs and drug deals or with illegal gun deals you defeat the purpose of the middle management. 

 

2 hours ago, bigsmoke said:

I like the suggestion but this is a bad part I definitely agree with

Fair enough. Word choice wasn't peak on my part. 

[Davis]

i agree with more civil hoops to jump through i however disagree with what your suggesting because

1) the only people who would actually get hurt are those that dont pay irl money for their charges to disappear

2) the learning curve for starting a faction is already hard enough adding more layers makes starting a new faction next to impossible

[Omerta]

I swear the pookie is still red hot while you mother lickers and pickle sniffers come up with this bullshit.

[Shadow]

And we wonder why his faction failed...

[SolidSnakeDrive]

All Im saying is, I've only been arrested on purpose and that has been a total of 2 times in 7 times months and I have trafficked $100,000,000 plus in drugs and somehow I've never been arrested. Boring as shit.

[RevampedRebel]

3 hours ago, SolidSnakeDrive said:

All Im saying is, I've only been arrested on purpose and that has been a total of 2 times in 7 times months and I have trafficked $100,000,000 plus in drugs and somehow I've never been arrested. Boring as shit.

Generally being arrested is one's own fault like yeah UC's can be fatal tho but how much do you truly think that's happening

 

5 hours ago, Davis said:

i agree with more civil hoops to jump through i however disagree with what your suggesting because

1) the only people who would actually get hurt are those that dont pay irl money for their charges to disappear

2) the learning curve for starting a faction is already hard enough adding more layers makes starting a new faction next to impossible

I could understand that. I wasn't at it particularly long as Don but that shit did legitimately fucking suck. Lotta moving parts. More or less if you have yourself air gapped as far as the business and properties go legally it would be hard to attack them. Even more so if the on paper owner is a legit char kinda like how Lucchese does it putting their stuff on Vincent. That's an example of difficult to catch by RICO. A case like that might only go from middle down at best with how they're arranged and even then it would still be a LONG and tedious investigation.