RevampedRebel

its a big circle jerk and im not in it lol you take the fact that there's a pd main who will try to attack every faction equally personally like would you rather there just be no pd no opposing force? way to derail on a ban appeal its okay since your whole family doesnt have a full set of teeth combined calm down lil bro

There's no way this would work with the current system with how charid's work (ID's in general even) and the fact that this would effectively open the door to wiping out an already dwindling bureau consistently hampered by ua AND the da's office which suffers similarly. It's impossible to make an adequate witsec attempt with the current system. It'd be the final nail in the coffin for legalrp.

I like the idea of having to craft it then pass a mildly challenging mini game. Further it would be awesome if SSN and charID got detached so as to avoid metagame issues surrounding witsec, uc's, or people changing factions. Or if this isn't possible it'd be neat to see maybe ID randomization/redistribution of old ID's when one is deleted. Just some thoughts.

Mugging so much that you become known for it is kinda wild. So many people can't seem to function if it's not constant gunplay. Smh it would be a shame if roleplay happened on the roleplay server.

Wtf did you say to get banned like that? If the rest of the context you gave between the lead up and you record are true, I honestly couldn't fathom you not being given another chance but those bans usually aren't random...

It's a less intrusive search. I'd say both sides win really.

Let them sue each other instead of the government

Awesome idea in theory, cluster fuck in practice sadly.

Maybe if you're just starting out but I wouldn't take a case worth less than 100k you ain't finding that in the ghetto

Nah metagame on diverge goes too crazy

It wouldn't be hard to just make their ID say a different country. The RP would be totally optional and could be neat to see. It has to be possible too due to the felony status addition it shouldn't be far fetched that the whole ID can be reskinned.

I think factions need to have their casinos on their properties. Having your casino in the NPC casino is cringe. I feel it should also be illegal for the casinos to be open without an operator. We did it with gun ranges why should casinos be different?

The application did not age well. -1

Fuck the 20s. Let's go back to the 1820s and peddle slaves.

brother I literally included the fact its happening to crims too can we get past attaching IC to OOC shit and take this at face value?

Lately it just feels like powergame is being defined insanely broadly. I've read the rules but it seems like on all sides of RP lately be it crim or gov is just being widely voided. You can't use the laws as they're written if they're gonna hurt someone above made (even made cases get voided too really). If the case feels like it might have lasting meaningful effects due to faction negligence, that's worth a void. This one is actually happening a lot lately. Charges stemming from negligence will be dropped especially when dealing with technicalities -- a staple of law that was used to bring historically relevant mobsters to justice. The server has gotten insanely soft on this issue. You can't send UC's without meeting a long laundry list of criteria but if they're from an enemy alliance on an alt char that's powergame but it's conflict to send em if they have an allied alt (don't even get started on the cross-char consequences too that's a can of worms on its own). Engaging in lawfare will likely result in a void. You can't weaponize the court system as a mobster or scumbag lawyer anymore especially when it comes to large sums of money from long established characters or government officials. This argument isn't even complaining about how hard it is for the gov to sue factions it's actually the other way around. Even now cases against the gov are being voided for powergame. LegalRP has been a diverge staple and hallmark but it's constantly being eroded. Detectives being hamstringed. DA's office having its time wasted. And now even crim/civ lawyers can't bring cases to be a menace anymore. Nothing feels IC its always having to fight your case with UA and the Court at the same time it's just not fun anymore lately. Anyone have clarity or a way to fix this problem reasonably?

More or less we need SOMETHING we can try to build or use against a faction that can have lasting impact if successful. There's just nothing the gov can meaningfully do against a faction these days.

Honestly this might be the best middle ground. Lotta factions that have been circling the drain for years while also holding a gun racket need to go get fucked with HARD.

Every time this gets suggested it gets denied. Kinda gay and cringe that people prefer the broken and unenforceable system instead.

women were seen and not heard back in the 80's and i do gotta say that i be hearing them an awful lot. valve pls fix. +1

who has a 1000TB hdd with recordings of literally everything theyve ever seen or done ever

Two wrongs dont make a right on that one imo the standard should be raised on both sides of the equation and equally if one side is going to get buffed the other side needs something too. Like I had suggested, adding the ability for faction leadership to reign in who can access what would be huge. Faction leaders also already do have access to many tools needed to prevent the building of these cases like using middlemen (see Vinny Lucchese using Vincent Lucchese as the legal front man for his faction, that is exemplary work since Vincent doesn't do crimes but is still active) and keeping operational separation from himself and the lower rung doing crimes. Much qualms as I have with Lucchese as a faction, they are an example of good opsec. Of course there may be people in the factioon that break the opsec by bank sharing or using banks at all for storage but like individual catches are nowhere even remotely close enough to fully build a RICO case. These cases need you to do a long line of serious fuckups and not policing information (yapping to the lower people about sensitive shit). TL;DR there is SO MUCH you can do to prevent these crimes from working out. They only work out when you get really sloppy. If one lower level person is able to cause a significant enough level of damage to build this kind of case, you might need to look back at all the places leadership went wrong. Yeah I can imagine though that was a time in diverge I'm not so quick to want to return to. Keeping RICO exclusive to a very small group, having a very high bar as far as what you need to accomplish to make it work, and even maybe a requirement for UA approval before using the mechanisms could balance out those concerns. UA gets involved even in detective operations fairly often from what I've gathered and experienced. I wouldn't personally mind them being involved in when the lever is allowed to be pulled. Mind, even them granting the okay to go through with the execution does not automatically win the case either it still needs to go to court AND be proven beyond a reasonable doubt. With all the above in mind, I think we might be able to craft a new system with accountability and safety measures put in place to prevent abuse.

I literally knew a guy who did some shit with his PAC3 that even on server with limitations on pac he was able to use it as an esp. No Bueno.

Like I've said in other posts I do agree that it needs to be balanced and not rapey. They'd a misconception that they're short and easy investigations, they're not. It's not based off of simple association it's being able to prove definitively that a group is both committing crimes and running a legal front to launder funds. Association is a part of that but it's not loose association it needs to be proven that everyone involved is actually a part of the criminal activity. It's further than "they all wear the same color bandanas and hang out at the same bar" but more "they all either deal drugs, arrange drug deals, or collect money from drug deals all together".

The affiliation isn't the crux of how it works. It's a game of follow the money. Pretty much if you can prove beyond a reasonable doubt where the money is going and prove that it's dirty money then yeah. It's not a case of minge runs from cops 30 times and works at your store therefore life in prison. The bar is notoriously high to win it.