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"There was 3 people in the call total, me, the staff member, and a different member that wasn't related. " "Neither one of them were involved in the mug, just me." You can hear someone in the discord tell Sauerkraut that he had a gun on him. If they were involved with the mugging, then it would be fine, but this is a discussion about metagaming. Them not being involved directly doesn't help anything. Metagame = Using Out of Character information In-Character -- From the rules.

https://tenor.com/view/james-doakes-doakes-curious-suspicious-questioning-gif-14390669560130901665

Also, this was another scenario that your Road Captain (Capo) confronted you about it. After the message and the days following, no response to you Road Captain.

There was 3 people in the call total, me, the staff member, and a different member that wasn't related. Neither one of them were involved in the mug, just me.

Correction - you streamed it within your characters faction discord, to multiple faction members including a staff member who mains said faction This is pretty serious metagame from my perspective!

I was sharing my screen showing that I was mugging someone (and making sure it was valid by a staff member). Nobody that was in the call was involved in the mugging. I lockpicked my way in, saw him, mugged him. If it's against the rules to simply show I was mugging someone and then getting confirmation that it's a valid mug/pk, then I'll take whatever punishment is deserved.

+1 idk what to say i didnt read it but cool idea for surely we back

Deleting the original video and chopping it down to 8 seconds is wild work. The good news is that I downloaded the original video because I know Sauerkraut was going to lie to the staff and play victim. The Full real video, meta game included

-1 Why is he applying a PK from 20 years ago XD 2006 ahh

+1 HC has ex-successful faction leaders in it, I've heard good things about them aswell.

-1 this guy gotta get his money up

Hello, guy who wrote the orders here. When you became a prospect you were told about the bar tabs. You were fully aware and even paid one on 12/29/2025. When I had this conversation with you in the church, asking you what was going on, I never told you to wait until the deal. Even if I did, the amount you had for the deal would not have been enough for your 70k that you owe. I wrote the orders on this basis. I could give a fuck less about your cop character because, like Riddy said above, we have multiple guys in our faction with cop characters and their actions on those characters do not effect our relationship/our role play on their SoS characters. When we had the conversation, I offered you loa/retirement and you took neither. I also don’t recall you saying anything about paying after the deal. This just is what it is brother. Have hard feelings if you would like. For us, it’s just the role play.

This should absolutely get this thrown out. You tried to prevent allegations of metagame by removing audio from a PK clip? Clear metagame the situation is void.

I was never confronted with the figure 70k, I was asked "whats going on brother?" during church. Nobody told me anything was due, there was no multiple attempts to warn me, and when you knew I was working to pay off whatever number I was owing, you killed me before I got the chance and made sure to take my cut before killing me, my cut that would've gone back to the club anyways. It went from "whats going on brother?", to ghosting in DMs, ignoring me in game, and insulting me on the forums. ("Thanks also ps could care less for your pd char as your a lil fish", "This guys a bozo with a weak appeal") All in the span of 48 hours or less. The change up is crazy, I was farmed for the PK the very second you thought you had the minimum requirement, when I was ordered into that situation.

Because we can because you refused to pay your taxes as stated you take that pledge when you join the faction as well as our own club by laws 70k is multiple weeks of not paying your tab.

Why would they kill me before the crew deal, after they told me to wait for the crew deal, knowing the crew deal would be what made up for kickups? They told me to wait, and waiting is what got me killed. That logical hole is my problem here.

Here is some more context since he likes to leave it out. I specified to him at the time he was not going to be disliked by HC for this. As a member of command myself I can confirm this is true. No one had any ill will towards him for this situation. This was simply a issue were I was a lawyer for a citizen. If it really was such an issue to us we would have have delt with it sooner. The reason he died has been stated he did not pay taxes and we have been cracking down on it. Furthermore you state that I was waiting and waiting for a deal. But you know how to speak to people if you really had any interest in paying tabs you would have found a way to make the money. However you dwelled on it

Were you not on my ass literally yesterday in a VC about Ciggy's case?

These arrests were not even related to SOS characters so I don't understand how this pertains to the question at hand. Everything in those DM's was about friends on citizens.

The only time I was ever confronted was at church earlier this week, two days ago, where I told you guys that I was having a rough time and explained my OOC situation. I even asked for help on the discord to pedal drugs so that I could earn some money in order to pay my dues, to which I was told to wait until the crew deal. The crew deal that I was killed before ever getting a chance to participate in- in order to pay my dues. I was told to wait until the crew deal on discord, instead of doing rumors to sell my stuff, and I was killed anyways. I thought, because I was told to wait, and how the crew deal is literally later today, that I would be given a chance to earn some money to kick up. Instead I was killed, and the drugs that would've earned me my kickup was taken from me anyways. It is claimed I was confronted multiple times, this is false, only once, TWO days ago. Where I was told on discord to wait for the crew deal instead of going off on my own and making money. Conveniently I was kicked out of the discord and cannot prove I was told to wait. The only possible reason that I can fathom that you guys would up and kill me where you told me to WAIT to make money, which is why I was killed for not having money in time, is because of some kind of bias due to my conduct on my police char. When I asked for context on discord as to why I was killed, and approached people in game using LOOC, nobody said anything to me, or offered context. The only context being offered is "we told him too bad" when this is false. I have attached a screenshot of the DMs between me and the individual who carried out the PK, expressing discontent at my conduct on PD. It pains me to do this, considering Carl and I (I thought) were friends. He has up until this point ghosted me over a gmod PK, which is wild. Just yesterday, Carl was on my ass in a separate VC literally yesterday about writing affidavits against faction members, harping on me to "just claim conflict", I find it interesting the next day the very same guy PKs me for not having kickup when I was told to wait until the crew deal to make money, and was never given a chance to make it to the crew deal. Edit for clarification: They knew I was trying to make money, they told me to wait until the crew deal, they killed me before the crew deal. They ordered me into the situation they killed me over, this treatment is unfair and could only derive from one thing: some kind of OOC bias.

+1 great idea and great people.

Hey Randy So I was the staff member who set your character pk active. The reason why is because according to your faction leaders, you kept skipping paying the taxes you owed them, eventually leading to your death. When you join a criminal faction, you should be aware that your actions do have consequences and avoiding them is not the way to go. On top of that, the situation with your police character had nothing to do with this situation, as far as I saw it, as they never even mentioned your cop character, leading me to believe this pk does not result from OOC beef. However, if you do have evidence that´s the case, feel free to publish such evidence in this thread.

-1 not a great guy

Crazy to say as we told you to make a loa stop being a hypocrite we have club by laws you didn’t follow them and now cry that we pked you over your cop char… you owed 70k and didn’t pay give or take the crew deal was gonna happen we asked for money you said you didn’t have it. Multiple times. As for bringing in pd relations I could care less for we have many members who have a Cop 2nd life so this statement is just invalid