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I understand the concern about creating a loophole (“I was running so I’m no longer a threat”), but I don’t believe that applies here in the way it’s being framed. This was not a case of briefly turning away during an active gunfight. This was a full disengagement followed by flight, with no re-engagement afterward. There is a clear distinction between momentary repositioning during a confrontation and ending that confrontation entirely to attempt escape, which is reflected in the clip from my perspective. In the case of Howie Hoang, the PK was overturned by Senior Administration specifically because TroubledGhost was determined to be “no longer an active threat” at the time lethal force was used. Even though there had been a prior violent interaction involving a firearm, the deciding factor was that the threat had ended before the kill occurred. I believe that distinction is directly relevant here. I also want to address what appears to be reliance on speculation in evaluating this situation. Portions of the justification seem to be based on what I might have done, could have done, or intended to do, rather than what was actually occurring at the moment I was killed. Even from your argument about LogicNova being unable to pursue, I crashed my car and ran, instead of organizing units and prioritizing an attempted murder of an LEO over a vehicle pursuit, he shot me to PK me, effectively executing me when he could've organized units as a Sergeant to arrange my arrest. I believe this should be assessed strictly on observable actions and facts. At the time lethal force was used, I was actively fleeing, not engaging officers, and not presenting a weapon. Arguments based on potential future actions, such as the possibility that I could have re-engaged, are inherently speculative and go beyond evaluating an immediate, active threat. I would respectfully ask that the decision be grounded in what demonstrably occurred, rather than hypothetical scenarios. Lastly, I want to clarify that I am not trying to create a loophole or avoid consequences for my actions. I fully accept that I initiated the situation and the risks that came with that. My point is that PK validity should be determined by whether a threat is still active at the time lethal force is used, not solely by the fact that a threat existed earlier. If applied too broadly, the current interpretation could create issues in the opposite direction, where officers default to lethal force to end situations rather than pursuing arrest, effectively removing the need to justify use of force. Even if my initial actions were improper, that would not automatically justify a PK if the situation had already de-escalated, it raises the question of whether this becomes retaliation rather than a response to an active threat. Ultimately, this comes down to how the situation is viewed: (a) a continuous, ~20-38 second, active, ongoing violent confrontation, or (b) a concluded confrontation followed by a pursuit where I got shot after the violent confrontation ended. AND if police are allowed to execute criminals instead of attempting to apprehend them. I believe the latter more accurately reflects what occurred.

that shi aint happening gng

This is actually in the works already, @Boomroasted was cooking up something like this for some fun wider roleplay, I believe

thank you mike brown

Let’s all organize a parade and have a big parade all around south side. So much division in this community, let’s come together, as a server.

Hi pk'ing admin As we have previously discussed, potential IC harassment from other cops prior to you being pulled over for running the stop sign doesn't allow you to kill a cop without consequence. In this situation, you shot and killed a police officer, during a non-felony arrest and started a violent confrontation with police. You were subsequently killed. As I'm sure a lot of cops will attest to, I usually am pretty tight with allowing cop PK's - in this case, I think my judgement was correct. You rightly mention that cops should attempt arrest when possible. In this case, you somewhat randomly kill a police officer, before driving off at top speed, from an officer who has no back up or support, or real way to correctly identify you further outside of "bolo on a black car" the speed at which you leave even causes you to end up in a high speed collision (granted that is also the fault of that F1 car, but still) - It is my opinion that there was not an avenue to arrest available to the officer at this time, nor was there any guarantee that you were no longer posing a threat to cops or civilians, and the violence toward a cop wasn't minor, like a punch or a melee - you straight up killed/hospitalized a cop. If you had put your gun away and de-escalated the situation first, even if you still ran after, I would say no to a PK - but you didn't, you go straight from active threat to running. I do agree with a previous sentiment that claiming this was not a valid PK, essentially creates a loophole to 90% of VCWP "I had turned around and started running, so I could not have been a threat any longer" - "I was in a vehicle, so I could not have been a threat any longer" - There is a degree to which this is always going to be case by case, but when you compare the severity of the violence, with the lack of options for Peralta other than to essentially let you get away with it, this was his only move. TL;DR In my opinion the criteria that would make this kill invalid here would have been to de-escalate from violence first, no longer be an active threat to the point that if in another world you hadn't ran and Peralta had killed you, staff would have disallowed the PK, and then from there you could attempt to escape - at which point Peralta would have potentially had more back up, time to process and avenues to utilize to make an arrest. That's my take, anyway Good luck on your appeal.

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This guy used to be very chill I never had a problem with him until more recent time But in more recent times he's just been a complete dick every interaction with I had with him now it's awful Maybe if he sobered up and stopped being a complete dickhead he would be a good fit for staff And did he needs to stop buying his character back after he dies like a moron https://medal.tv/games/garrys-mod/clips/mihED3qOqWPhpCzOv?invite=cr-MSxmVVYsNDY3NjU3NjQy&v=17

aren’t you too young to even be in PD? #removelogic #metoo

if this gets accepted its just going to make people think that shooting cops and driving away means they cant pk you if they shoot you ur retarded for shooting a cop for pulling you over for running a stop sign may i add as its legit RDM.

-1 powergaming retard. Hasn't grown and is still in his minge phase.

Firstly, I’m not disputing that I became PK-active after shooting an officer. I’ve already acknowledged that and accepted responsibility for initiating the situation. The issue isn’t whether I was PK-active, it’s how the situation was handled afterward, and whether the use of lethal force still met the server’s PK standards at that point. The PK guidelines state that situations must occur “during” an active confrontation, not after it has clearly transitioned. Even by your own timeline of ~38 seconds, there was a clear separation between the initial shooting and the moment I was killed. During that time, I fled the scene, put distance between myself and you and other officers, and did not re-engage. That’s the key issue, this was no longer an active shootout, it had become a pursuit. Secondly, regarding your claim of witnesses. You being across the street doesn’t change the fact that from my perspective I believed I wasn’t being actively engaged by multiple officers at that moment. That statement wasn’t meant to mislead, it was explaining my reasoning in the moment, even if it was incorrect. It served to elaborate on my perspective of the situation, which is in the clip presented. Thirdly, on the distance/time point, whether it was “multiple blocks” or “down the street,” the important part is that there was a break in immediate engagement. I was no longer actively firing or presenting a weapon. The situation had shifted into me fleeing, which under both the PK guidelines and general RP standards, should be handled as a pursuit unless there is still an immediate threat. Fourthly, regarding SOP, you’re correct that SOP alone doesn’t override PK rules. However, it is still relevant because the PK guidelines themselves state that officers may not execute suspects and should attempt arrest when possible. SOP helps define what is considered reasonable force in that context. At the time I was shot, I was unarmed, fleeing, and not actively engaging, which raises the question of whether lethal force was still justified versus continuing the pursuit. Lastly, I’m not trying to “lie” or misrepresent anything to get my character back. I’m laying out how the situation looked from my perspective and why I believe it no longer met the criteria of an active, immediate threat at the time lethal force was used. At the end of the day, this comes down to whether staff view this as a continuous active confrontation?- or a situation where there was a clear disengagement?- followed by lethal force after the fact.

Hello! As already stated by Winchester you were killed for initiating a VCWP with police and that will be standing but let's get into the whj and your arguments against it. First, you state that because one officer is breaking NLR then it is all invalidated which is simply not true. He did not have the other officers respond, he didn't initiate the first contact with you after returning to the area. You began that interaction with him when you decided to RDM an officer that was allowing you to leave the area. When you start another VCWP with multiple officers around you brought that on yourself. Stop trying to push that blame to others when you made that decision and got clapped for it. Second, you want to argue the NLR break which as already stated is minor in light of your actions. You RDM'd an officer after breaking character to distract him so you could kill him. You pulled a bitch move and got bitched for it by another officer not involved in the NLR situation. Your appeal has been reviewed and denied. We have determined this PK to be reasonable and/or justified. You may not re-appeal this PK.

Not a bad guy, spoken to him a few times but from seeing "Me when i lie" to responses isnt the best look, ESPECIALLY with seeing multiple claims of a risk of alcohol and bad decisions making it kinda just rings some red flags in my eyes as im typing this out you actively respond with "Nobody cares" to bullets which just adds ontop of what im saying after the "nobody cares XD" response i believe this solidifies the overall claims that people have said in this application if youre going to apply for staff try to commit to upholding yourself even towards negative responses, or just dont even reply at all

Nobody cares

+Support Reasons - Good head on the shoulders, common sense is not so common anymore, but this guy knows what he's doing - Considerate, takes everyone's thoughts into consideration - Helpful fella, always takin time to go back and answer anyone's questions to the best of his abilities - Friendly fella, easy to communicate with - Activity, active as a mf, more active than O'Block at 10:30pm - Good RP, is willing to sit down and roleplay a whole dinner just because 1 person hasn't had anyone come into their restaurant all night - Problem solver, knows how to think ahead of solutions and into multiple outcomes so an issue is solved the right way - Connections, this guy is a connection maker, somewhat relates to Friendly fella but there ain't a lot of people who dislike this guy so if you're one of them you might need some self-reflection - Drippin, dude got drip tho +/-Support Reasons - If he becomes staff, he might not hangout with the homies as frequently -Support Reasons - Becoming staff doesn't help grind bricks for the Don Overall +Support. Good luck.

-1 bro is literally on his alt steam account

why do you not have your own audio clipped?

DAMN, that's tuff, my condolences to colombo

Nothing against you personally, because overall, I like you. But who is to say you won’t get drunk as hell and abuse your staff capabilities? This has happened with you a few times before, not as staff but in role-play I’ve personally seen you do things out of the ordinary because you were fucked up drunk. Making irate/heated decisions due to being tipsy. Nothing against you overall, that is the only reason why my response is going to be a -1

I’m lying but u legit put dead body parts in Colombos property then whitelisted the char into popov when we were having beef and u got banned for it…

Me when I lie

Me when I lie

Great dude, Dante got me back into Diverge after I was gone for a 3 nearly 4 years, and I couldn't be happier that he has brought me back, This man will make a great staff member +1