Hello. I'm the Pking staff involved in this situation. There are a few things I'd like to say with this situation.
With your clip I Can finally confirm that at 12 seconds neither of them were looking at you or had you in a Line of Sight with the 90* Cone of view a mugger is allowed
With this situation however as you mentioned yourself you did pull out a Toolgun whether accidental or not which could be confusing when the muggers see the person they are holding under FearRP Pull out what looks to be a weapon and open fire.
Immediately after that he Reattempts placing you under FearRP At 00:13
Which with this attempt you are Successfully kept under FearRP And given orders to "Don't Move" and "Face the wall" From 13 Seconds and onwards you did break Fearrp ignoring the commands given. and both moving whilst turning around to face your muggers Whilst still technically being within the Cone of sight that is permitted for a mugging with (Multiple Muggers) involved
I Will also directly quote and explain this
"I also find it weird that it was about a 12 hour delay from the mugging to me actually dying. Also after the mugging, Trumader had gotten himself killed again by cops and when he died a body didn't spawn at the scene of the mugging with mine. It was only after Trumader dying to cops that an attempt to file a PK ticket was made to my knowledge."
With your PK i was going to drop Trumaders body aswell however Wickers had already Pked him for leaving the server during sentencing. Making it impossible for me to PK an already dead character HOWEVER I did also put his name in the same PK Log as yours to further enforce that he should be deceased from this situation. and when it comes to the delay in your PK. There is no written timeframe that a PK Must be followed within
Here is also the mugging POV Of you with your Toolgun aimed towards them as your POV Doesn't show what they saw when that occurred with how Crouching works in the server it looks more like a weapon being drawn hence why they opened fire
I Can also say without a doubt at that point in time where you put it away they could've killed you but chose not to and with the Dms between Timberr and Asapyeti i can now understand why that occured and that should be taken into account by UA With the "We had no restraints" Context
I'm sure UA Will take all messages into account when making a final decision on the matter and i hope the right decision is made in this situation with all the evidence you have provided. thank you for taking the time out of your day to compile all of this proof and send it in bulk.
Here are the rules involved that led to me accepting this PK at the time for clarification's sake
1. You must value your character’s life. This means that you naturally do not want your character to die. (FearRP) Breaking this can result in a PK at the Staff’s Discretion
1. While under fearrp it's recommended you oblige by the commands of your captor, if you attempt to escape or pull out a weapon to fight back but are killed that would display a disregard for your own safety, a calculated risk you took which failed, resulting in your PK. (In some circumstances a PK does not apply, view pk rules for more information.) This means it is NOT a rule violation to break fearrp but if you are killed while breaking it there is a possible IC consequence of being PK'ed.
3. If you're holding someone under Fear RP and issue them orders/warnings not to do something and they disobey you may kill them. However, one single warning/order will not suffice, multiple warnings in a very short time span will also not suffice, you have to give them adequate time to react.
6. If the person with the weapon puts it away or turns his line of sight (Meaning the user has turned completely away and is not even slightly facing you. Usually at an angle of larger than 90 degrees), fearRP becomes null and you may take the window of opportunity to retaliate with little to no risk. (Does not apply if multiple weapons are pointed at you)
This mugging also Occurred within a Building making it a Raid instead as per Mugging Map Logic so the following rules also apply
1. If you are killed during the robbery/raid it will result in a PK. (This results in Trumaders PK)
2. Those defending against a Robbery/Raid are NOT pk active. (Except against a Police Raid or if Fear RP is broken)
(This is why your friends weren't Pked when defending you)
These are the Mugging rules that Technically apply with the FearRP / Raid as well
1. Be cautious! If you are killed while committing a mugging you have the possibility of being PK'ed (Permanently killed)!
(This would be another reason why Trumader should be Pked from this situation)
Mugging Rules
7. You may only kill the victim if they DO NOT comply with your demands. Victims that comply are to be left unharmed.
9. There are several ways you may initiate a mugging, the following actions can be considered initiation of a mugging
- Holding someone at gunpoint with the intention of mugging them
- Holding someone at gunpoint or cornering them while wearing a mask which obscures your identity may also be a valid indication to the victim that you intend to mug them
11. When can you kill someone in a mugging for it to be considered a PK?
- You must FIRST, properly initiate a mugging (See Mugging Rule 9.)
- They attempt to fight back while you have them at gunpoint/fear rp. (Does not apply if you disengage fear rp. See fear rp rules) (This would be the Toolgun Confusion)
- If they disobey direct orders multiple times (while under fear rp) which leads to complications in the mugging. ex: Refuses to stay still and moves one or two steps at a time to try and escape, refuses to stop talking leading to someone over hearing the mugging.
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11. Fearrp no longer applies when you shoot and/or damage the victim, they may retaliate without risk.
Whilst i understand this rule exists in the situation leading to when you were shot however if we take this into account then it sets the precedent of people being able to pull out a tool gun during a mugging to get shot and then not fall under FearRP Which is retarded.
TLDR: I Deemed this a Valid PK Only having the Muggers Clip and without that Restraint Information being brought to light until AFTER The PK
(Please do not reply to the Appeal unless you are directly involved)