Suarez - PK Appeal

[Suárez]

Name of Character: Raúl "El Rápido" Suárez

Character ID: 192254

SteamID:STEAM_0:0:861418935

Your Discord ID#:536291448602230854

Date of PK:24/10/26

Reason for PK: VCWP

Why should you be unPK'd? What server rule or PK rule was violated?: So I was stopped because I was wearing a Ballistic Vest I took the Vest off and the Cop wanted to detain me because I was listening to his orders to take it off. I was evading the arrest and shortly after the same cop pulls out a baton and starts hitting me initiating a confrontation because he is damaging me in that moment I pulled out a gun killed him and I got killed by a Senior Officer on my right. So same scenario happened when I was on my PD Char and I happen to shot a guy that pulled out a gun on us because another cop was hitting him with a baton. One Admin says it's a PK another says it's not so I wouldn't be that dumb to shoot 3 cops to risk my char if i know i was in the right or if the staff told me you can see the video I provided me being on a roof and another cop hitting him and it wasn't a PK after I killed him. So in the PK Guidelines it says "Note: In the server the tazer is non violent as it cannot physically kill or damage the player.)" I don't see a taser mentioned here the admin that PK'd me said it is not a violent confrontation because it's like a taser but it clearly states that taser doesn't "DAMAGE" because damaging is a violent confrontation and I shot at the cop that escalated the situation and while I was doing it another cop was fast and started shooting the same second. Next time please when this happens make it clear in the rules because some admins see it a bit differently if the excuse is that I shot at the Probie that did not have the gun out yes it's because when I shot at the cop that hit me with the baton the SO shot at me escalating the whole situation I didn't have time to react to shoot at him first because I was focused on the probie I would ofc shoot first at the SO but he got me fast because the black officer i killed hit me couple times with his smg you can slow down my clip and hear the gunshots coming from the glock even before I shoot at the Probationary Officer. I wouldn't shoot at him if the cop didn't shoot me with the smg and the SO with the Glock.

If possible please provide video evidence or photo evidence if PK does not follow the guidelines: Me dying (https://streamable.com/gqpwyt) and the part I was mentioning (https://streamable.com/2ab6s5)

[handsome]

The baton cant kill

[PolarGMC]

Just now, handsome said:

The baton cant kill

it deals damage

[handsome]

Just now, PolarGMC said:

it deals damage

So what u cant die from it ever

[PolarGMC]

1 minute ago, handsome said:

So what u cant die from it ever

"Note: In the server the tazer is non violent as it cannot physically kill or damage the player.)" that is different from the tazer as the tazer deals no damage, this is an invalid pk for sure.

 

[Suárez]

I just got the information that I was indeed PK'd because I shot at the Probationary Officer I want the Administration to take a look at my video because the Admin that PK'd me didn't want to look at it, so my HUD is turned on you can see my HP when I shoot at the Cop that hit me with the baton he pulls out his SMG and drops my HP a bit and a second before I kill him you can hear the shots ring out from the Senior Officer that killed me showing that the confrontation was on (You can slow down the video if you are not sure but you don't need to because it clearly shows that he shot at me before I kill the other officer.). (Generally we want people to not immediately go for the gun when dealing with Police, as a result if you escalate a situation to a shootout and lose you can be punished via PK as your character was killed. This does not apply if it is the Police that fired first or ESCALATED to a shootout.) This should be a straightforward appeal where you go by the rules and the rules only nothing out of the them. Let's say the Officer never hit me with the baton and I pull out my MAC-11 and start shooting them that would be a different scenario where I would never even appeal the PK. But that doesn't matter since the Officer escalated the situation as it states in the rules that only "Taser" does not escalate the situation, and while I dealt with the Officer that hit me and later shot me, the other Officer started the confrontation making my character immune to the PK because I shot at the Probationary Officer. But what else can I say but the PKing admin can only wish me Good Luck. I don't think thats on him for PKing me I think thats on the rules not being clear and my situation was a bit different because I didn't get to show him my clip. I am not trying to find a loophole in the rules you can clearly see the rules by yourself.

Edited 1 hour ago by Suárez

[Suárez]

2 minutes ago, handsome said:

So what u cant die from it ever

Yes you can't die from it but it damages you and therefore escalates the situation and starts the violent confrontation.

[handsome]

Just now, PolarGMC said:

"Note: In the server the tazer is non violent as it cannot physically kill or damage the player.)" that is different from the tazer as the tazer deals no damage, this is an invalid pk for sure.

 

"This does not apply if it is the Police that fired first or escalated to a shootout." a baton does not escalate

[Suárez]

1 minute ago, handsome said:

"This does not apply if it is the Police that fired first or escalated to a shootout." a baton does not escalate

Why would it say fired first or escalated to shootout why doesn't it say only fired first because for you firing is the only way to escalate the situation, read the rules again.

[Akira]

26 minutes ago, Suárez said:

https://streamable.com/gqpwyt

bro are you fucking mario  

[Suárez]

1 minute ago, Akira said:

bro are you fucking mario  

hahahaha I added that because I know when I shoot someone the server doesn't detect it so I tested it with my custom hitsound to see how many shots will it take to kill someone or does it even detect (couple of my shots always go undetected)

[Geo_Zeus]

The rules are kinda vague on this matter, and in this case a little self-contradictory..




On one hand, it's stated that the PK isn't valid if the Police fire first or escalate the situation to a shootout. On the other hand, it says it's not valid if the Officer escalates the situation to violence.
Those two statements are not the same at all. You could argue that doing bodily harm with a baton constitutes violence. It doesn't help at all how the mention of the tazer says it cannot physically kill or damage the player. If it just said "It cannot physically kill the player" I think the PK would be valid, but since it mentions that damaging the player makes it a prerequisite for invalidating the PK it's safe to assume that a baton serves the same purpose, hence invalidating the PK.

P.S Just fucking RP the arrest, it really is a sight for sore eyes to see people running around frantically trying to dodge the tazers like retards but that's just my opinion.

[Suárez]

1 hour ago, Geo_Zeus said:

The rules are kinda vague on this matter, and in this case a little self-contradictory..




On one hand, it's stated that the PK isn't valid if the Police fire first or escalate the situation to a shootout. On the other hand, it says it's not valid if the Officer escalates the situation to violence.
Those two statements are not the same at all. You could argue that doing bodily harm with a baton constitutes violence. It doesn't help at all how the mention of the tazer says it cannot physically kill or damage the player. If it just said "It cannot physically kill the player" I think the PK would be valid, but since it mentions that damaging the player makes it a prerequisite for invalidating the PK it's safe to assume that a baton serves the same purpose, hence invalidating the PK.

P.S Just fucking RP the arrest, it really is a sight for sore eyes to see people running around frantically trying to dodge the tazers like retards but that's just my opinion.

This is what I've been saying, but people don't seem to get it. Yeah I should have Roleplayed the arrest but I saw the chance to like get away from it because instead of tasing me because there are literally 3 of them chasing me he decides to attack me. The thing is I would never and I mean never risk my own character because of a felony if there are multiple officers around me because I know there is like no chance of going against them alone only if they escalate the situation/shoot. I spent a lot of time on my PD Char to know that this should be invalid I never strike someone with a baton that I think has a gun because I know if he shoots me and even if I manage to kill him I can't do anything I called some and they get denied always. If the rules were fixed and it stated that baton is non-violent then this would be valid and I would not appeal this is any way and I wouldn't shoot in the first place I would just continue evading them until they finally catch me so the key word in the rules is "Damage" just what they did to me with the baton and even after it with the gunshots from SMG and Glock before I shot the Probationary Officer.  If needed I can provide more clips to staff of people dying after they got striked with baton and shortly after pulling out their weapons and shooting if my streamable didn't delete some because its like 90 days i think. 

Edited 11 minutes ago by Suárez