Mug Map Update

[StrixSolos]

There are tiny little bushes that are considered "red zones," but I guess not if the admin deems so. An example of a bush that isn't would be the one between the laundromat and the pawn shop. The map shows red, but when used as evidence to get my friend unbanned, it was denied. I just think the map should be MORE specific if you're going to enforce it as harshly as you guys do.

[RealLaCreatura]

Bushes are generally considered red if there isnt people around there i think

[Drakarus]

the black line indicates the fence line - so yes the bushes are a red zone on the other side

Edited October 8 by Drakarus

[calink]

Hi, so to elaborate more on both the map and the mugging scenario you're referring too:

Yes, the bush there is intended as a red zone. It is a high-risk mugging spot.

The issues with the mug in question lies more in the seclusion of the mug. As DutchCat had stated, the mugging was not secluded.

Initiating in a yellow zone is within the rules, but not with witnesses present.



The mug was initiated with 2 bystanders in Line of Sight (LOS) and assumedly both La Trattoria and La Volpe open and operating as businesses.



Before tying is even completed, there are now 2 more bystanders - in this instance 2 police officers.



Upon completing the tie, there is now an additional bystander.

Overall there are 5 witnesses in clear LOS at the bare minimum.

To pull some rules for you - 

2. You may not mug in a public place, you can, however, pull a weapon on them and bring them to a secluded area to rob them (This can only be done when there is no one else around.

6. The goal of this image is to help reduce fail mugs. It is a good guideline to follow, all rules listed in this section will supersede the map and staff have the final say regarding what is or isn't fail mug in a sit. 

That is to say that the seclusion rule (2.) supersedes the map's designation of the bush as a redzone, in this case.

And from the map itself - 



Hopefully this works to clear up any confusion around both the outcome of the appeal, and the designation of the location as a redzone.

If you require any further information please see to our server rules. 

 

[StrixSolos]

7 hours ago, calink said:

Hi, so to elaborate more on both the map and the mugging scenario you're referring too:

Yes, the bush there is intended as a red zone. It is a high-risk mugging spot.

The issues with the mug in question lies more in the seclusion of the mug. As DutchCat had stated, the mugging was not secluded.

Initiating in a yellow zone is within the rules, but not with witnesses present.



The mug was initiated with 2 bystanders in Line of Sight (LOS) and assumedly both La Trattoria and La Volpe open and operating as businesses.



Before tying is even completed, there are now 2 more bystanders - in this instance 2 police officers.



Upon completing the tie, there is now an additional bystander.

Overall there are 5 witnesses in clear LOS at the bare minimum.

To pull some rules for you - 

2. You may not mug in a public place, you can, however, pull a weapon on them and bring them to a secluded area to rob them (This can only be done when there is no one else around.

6. The goal of this image is to help reduce fail mugs. It is a good guideline to follow, all rules listed in this section will supersede the map and staff have the final say regarding what is or isn't fail mug in a sit. 

That is to say that the seclusion rule (2.) supersedes the map's designation of the bush as a redzone, in this case.

And from the map itself - 



Hopefully this works to clear up any confusion around both the outcome of the appeal, and the designation of the location as a redzone.

If you require any further information please see to our server rules. 

 

This was entirely more helpful than the answer I was given, thank you.

[xDutchCat]

18 hours ago, StrixSolos said:

This was entirely more helpful than the answer I was given, thank you.

My bad twin will work on a more clearer reply next time