Pac Appeal

[Jairzinho]

Name of Character: Tupac McGriff

Character ID: 202580

SteamID: STEAM_0:0:158162795

Your Discord ID#: 276024386304344075

Date of PK: 5/8/90

Reason for PK: Idk i was afk at the time i was killed 

Why should you be unPK'd? What server rule or PK rule was violated?: Because i have done nothing wrong, IC and how can the person who set me PK active knew that he was going to get pked? And I was listening to the DONS order, and we didn’t even set James active to get pk yet. Yet my question is in the clip that you killed me your friends wop how did yall follow each other without talking in game once and found me? Shows that’s yall metagamed before the pk and after the pk? And you said I had sense that I was going to get pked? How and we were the only two supreme members who were on ? That shows you have no IC evidence that we were going to set you PK active which we didn’t even set you yet. And the you tried to change story to saying you didn’t listen to you higher boss while you asked for me for money but I responded and told you I have no money in my wallet. Then when I answered you on this you started to say because I knew you were going to set me PK active how’s that work? With no IC evidence?

If possible please provide video evidence or photo evidence if PK does not follow the guidelines:  https://medal.tv/games/garrys-mod/clips/ngmdIAeIq4k_Z8t9l?invite=cr-MSxGRkYsMjAxODI5NTQy

 

this clip shows they also metagamed, please also check out Freeman’s pk appeal that I did he will explain situation even more.  https://cdn.medal.tv/ugcc/content-social/2b4JOK8aanPUNmp7L4vDTQ.mp4?auth=exp=1786008600~data=NDI4ODc5OTY5LG5nam9UNFYyeWh2NmZweEh4LDFwREFUTVgybUIsLTE~hmac=3929b4a09c687686372d7d527a43be8fc65448d3ed375d4c1c03d197277e7637&_gl=1*1uysehh*_gcl_au*MTY1NDc4ODU0Mi4xNzg0OTM1MDkx*_ga*MjQxMjA4OTk5LjE3NjEyNjUyMDg.*_ga_RKTT7KQC04*czE3ODU5ODY2NzAkbzgyJGcxJHQxNzg1OTg2NzI4JGoyJGwwJGgw

in this clip two associate pked me the street boss in what way do you call this as an RP scenario? This character has no roleplay experience in the city, has no connections in the city, and has no material value. I request that the member supervising this request look into this character. Has he ordered shipments, has he moved up within the company, has he paid kickups, etc. There is no reason why an associate is pking a respected member of faction leadership. There is no roleplay to the situation, he was not an enforcer, and neither was any of this done ingame. As shown in the clip its clear that they are metagaming, there are no radios used, and they dont talk in voice chat at all. In addition there is no reason why saulshitman4 is on his Bruno Scarfo high command character "Frank The Wop Mota" is following jacob_80._9440 across the city for almost thirty seconds. I believe this to be clear metagame, Andy abused his relationships in the faction Bruno Scarfo to mitigate any risk to himself. The relationship is clear by how they all reacted to his staff application. 
 

 

In the photo I will be providing he even said he killed me bc I refused that I was going to give him money, which is totally wrong I will share a dm between me and him saying that I have no money I got to ask freeman for money so I can help you so you have no IC reason to pk me.

then when I showed you proof I have no money and freeman’s got all the money and i was waiting for his response you started to say I pked you bc you made me have a beef with the don while my attached clip shows proof that you weren’t on to know about this, so you don’t have IC proof that we were going to pk you which shows you metagamed.

Edited 2 hours ago by Jairzinho

[Akira]

Hello Im the HC member who issued the death order for you.

At the time, the Supreme faction bank contained a total of $17,000,000 Before retiring Knowledge withdrew $10,000,000 from the faction bank for himself and handed leadership over to Trick Trick. Before leaving the family he promoted both you and me to Streetboss. As soon as you received your promotion you went on an LOA that lasted for around two weeks

Coincidentally the moment you returned back from LOA Knowledge came into the city gave you all of his custom clothing along with the $10,000,000 he had taken from the faction then left the Supreme whitelist. After giving you everything he owned he disappeared left the Discord and removed all of us from his friends list

When i asked you about it you lied to me and claimed he had only given you $5,000,000

We asked you to share that money with the family. I personally even asked you for a $1,000,000 loan but you chose to keep everything for yourself instead of supporting us

Because the Don kept insisting on protecting you it created conflict within the HC. As a result of that conflict the Don wanted me killed

We repeatedly told you that the money and the items should be shared with the family and your response was "If the faction ever needs money in the future, you can always come to me" After that i found out you had lied to me and that the real amount was $10,000,000 not $5,000,000

You and the Don worked together in an attempt to remove me from my position. In response i made my own move for IC reasons and after providing the necessary evidence to the appropriate authorities i had your character placed on PK Active

Long story short, Knowledge secretly handed you money that belonged to our family, you refused to help the family with it, and your actions caused serious conflict within the HC, eventually turning the Don and me against each other. ICly i have absolutely no reason to trust someone like that. You are a Streetboss and a HC member you don't get to go against your Underboss keep the family's money for yourself and expect there to be no consequences. If you choose to do that then you also have to accept the consequences that come with it

Like I said i already provided all the necessary evidence to the appropriate people when I had you placed on PK Active. If the UA reviewing this case wants to see it as well, I'll gladly provide it

Edit: For the last two hours, he's been claiming that I PK'd him over an OOC issue or because of metagaming. However, after the conflict over the faction money started, my character learned that he and the Don were working together to remove me. Because of that, I acted before he could act against me. All of the relevant explanations and evidence have already been provided in the ticket.
https://medal.tv/tr/games/garrys-mod/clips/ngmdIAeIq4k_Z8t9l?invite=cr-MSxGRkYsMjAxODI5NTQy
 

Edited 2 hours ago by Akira

[Jairzinho]

5 minutes ago, Akira said:

Hello Im the HC member who issued the death order for you.

At the time, the Supreme faction bank contained a total of $17,000,000 Before retiring Knowledge withdrew $10,000,000 from the faction bank for himself,handed leadership over to Trick Trick. Before leaving the family he promoted both you and me to Streetboss. As soon as you received your promotion you went on an LOA that lasted for around two weeks

Coincidentally the moment you returned Knowledge came into the city gave you all of his custom clothing along with the $10,000,000 he had taken from the faction then left the Supreme whitelist. After giving you everything he owned he disappeared left the Discord and removed all of us from his friends list

When I asked you about it you lied to me and claimed he had only given you $5,000,000

We asked you to share that money with the family. I personally even asked you for a $1,000,000 loan but you chose to keep everything for yourself instead of supporting us

Because the Don kept insisting on protecting you it created conflict within the HC. As a result of that conflict the Don wanted me killed

We repeatedly told you that the money and the items should be shared with the family, and your response was, "If the faction ever needs money in the future, you can always come to me" After that i found out you had lied to me and that the real amount was $10,000,000 not $5,000,000

You and the Don worked together in an attempt to remove me from my position. In response i made my own move for IC reasons and after providing the necessary evidence to the appropriate authorities i had your character placed on PK Active

Long story short, Knowledge secretly handed you money that belonged to our family, you refused to help the family with it, and your actions caused serious conflict within the HC, eventually turning the Don and me against each other. ICly i have absolutely no reason to trust someone like that. You are a Streetboss and a HC member, you don't get to go against your Underboss keep the family's money for yourself and expect there to be no consequences. If you choose to do that then you also have to accept the consequences that come with it

Like I said i already provided all the necessary evidence to the appropriate people when I had you placed on PK Active. If the UA reviewing this case wants to see it as well, I'll gladly provide it.

You said you wanted a loan while you had 10million on you? So in what logic should i give you the money? Then trick told me if you are down to help the faction, i said yes im down if you needed any help towards the faction i can help. So how am i keeping the money for myself? 

[Akira]

2 minutes ago, Jairzinho said:

You said you wanted a loan while you had 10million on you? So in what logic should i give you the money? Then trick told me if you are down to help the faction, i said yes im down if you needed any help towards the faction i can help. So how am i keeping the money for myself? 

I never had $10 million on me and i never claimed i did ? 

Also, I don't care what you and the Don talked about. The reason I PK'd you was because the Don kept ignoring the issue and accepted you taking the faction's money i didn't accept that decision and i used my authority to issue your death order. That's something that can happen in the mafia world. You accepted that risk the moment you went against my orders tried to work behind my back and drove a wedge between me and the Don, stop acting like you were AFK or that you didn't do anything wrong  

ICly, I'm your superior and you went against my direct orders, ignored my decisions and tried to work behind my back. You also caused conflict within the HC. Any one of those reasons is enough to PK a Made Man, and you're not just a Made Man you're the Head Streetboss

Like I said if the UA wants any further explanation or evidence I'll gladly provide it to them

[Jairzinho]

8 minutes ago, Akira said:

I never had $10 million on me and i never claimed i did ? 

Also, I don't care what you and the Don talked about. The reason I PK'd you was because the Don kept ignoring the issue and accepted you taking the faction's money i didn't accept that decision and i used my authority to issue your death order. That's something that can happen in the mafia world. You accepted that risk the moment you went against my orders tried to work behind my back and drove a wedge between me and the Don, stop acting like you were AFK or that you didn't do anything wrong  

ICly, I'm your superior and you went against my direct orders, ignored my decisions and tried to work behind my back. You also caused conflict within the HC. Any one of those reasons is enough to PK a Made Man, and you're not just a Made Man you're the Head Streetboss

Like I said if the UA wants any further explanation or evidence I'll gladly provide it to them

Well i dont have a million to loan you, i only got the clothes from the retired knowledge himself so idk what you are talking about.

[DiscreetRavager]

Idk much but it sounds like the guy issuing the orders might have a target on his back now

[Akira]

2 hours ago, Jairzinho said:

Well i dont have a million to loan you, i only got the clothes from the retired knowledge himself so idk what you are talking about.

ICly you're expected to follow your superior's orders. If you choose to go against your Underboss, refuse to share the money, then go behind his back to the Don and try to have him killed, this is the outcome. I don't think there's really anything complicated to understand here

https://medal.tv/tr/games/garrys-mod/clips/ngmdIAeIq4k_Z8t9l?invite=cr-MSxGRkYsMjAxODI5NTQy

Edited 1 hour ago by Akira

[Jairzinho]

1 minute ago, Akira said:

ICly you're expected to follow your superior's orders. If you choose to go against your Underboss, refuse to share the money, then go behind his back to the Don and try to have him killed, this is the outcome. I don't think there's really anything complicated to understand here
 

you wanted the jeans that i had and you asked for a one million while i have under 100k in my wallet so how do you expect me to help you with a loan while i only have clothes thats been given by a person who retired?

[Jairzinho]

2 minutes ago, Jairzinho said:

you wanted the jeans that i had and you asked for a one million while i have under 100k in my wallet so how do you expect me to help you with a loan while i only have clothes thats been given by a person who retired?

another proof you asked for money and i said its my friends money i gotta ask him? so i was willing to help but i was waiting for his response bc its not my money thats only for me

 

[Akira]

I honestly have no idea why you're sending these screenshots. All they're doing is proving that I asked you to share the money and that you didn't care about your own boss's orders. Just sit back and wait for the UA's response 

"i have under 100k in my wallet so how do you expect me to help you with a loan while i only have clothes thats been given by a person who retired"
Also don't lie in your PK appeal. They can check the logs and they'll find out

 

You took the $10 million that belonged to the faction, created conflict between the Don and me AFTER THAT you both guys tried to PK me!!! I Find that out and i pked you!!! not because of the money!!!!

Edited 1 hour ago by Akira

[Jairzinho]

9 minutes ago, Akira said:

I honestly have no idea why you're sending these screenshots. All they're doing is proving that I asked you to share the money and that you didn't care about your own boss's orders. Just sit back and wait for the UA's response 

"i have under 100k in my wallet so how do you expect me to help you with a loan while i only have clothes thats been given by a person who retired"
Also don't lie in your PK appeal. They can check the logs and they'll find out

 

You took the $10 million that belonged to the faction, created conflict between the Don and me and played a major part in getting me PK'd. If those reasons still aren't enough for you, then I don't know what is

I'm not replying anymore. You can keep typing here as much as you want

well yeah thats freemans money thats why i told you wait i gotta ask freeman bc we share the money together its not my money, if you can read thats not my character so you just proved my point that i have no money to loan you 

Edited 3 hours ago by Jairzinho

[Akira]

5 minutes ago, Jairzinho said:

well yeah thats freemans money thats why i told you wait i gotta ask freeman bc we share the money together its not my money, if you can read thats not my character so you just proved my point that i have no money to loan you 

I don't know you have a sped or some but the reason I PK'd you was never because you didn't give me a loan. ICly, you went against my orders, worked behind my back, got between me and the Don and tried to have me PK'd. That created conflict within the HC and as your superior, I had every right to issue your PK.

There's no point in spending two hours arguing about OOC topics here just let UA handle it bro

[Jairzinho]

2 minutes ago, Akira said:

I don't know you have a sped or some but the reason I PK'd you was never because you didn't give me a loan. ICly, you went against my orders, worked behind my back, got between me and the Don and tried to have me PK'd. That created conflict within the HC and as your superior, I had every right to issue your PK.

There's no point in spending two hours arguing about OOC topics here just let UA handle it bro

how did you know i was speaking to the don it was me and him the only supreme members that were on? 

[Akira]

7 minutes ago, Jairzinho said:

how did you know i was speaking to the don it was me and him the only supreme members that were on? 

I've already explained all of that to the UA and im obviously not going to explain it to you here as well??
 

[Jairzinho]

10 minutes ago, Akira said:

I've already explained all of that to the UA and im obviously not going to explain it to you here as well??
 

https://medal.tv/games/garrys-mod/clips/ngmdIAeIq4k_Z8t9l?invite=cr-MSxGRkYsMjAxODI5NTQy

nice metagame btw, it was only me and the don whos on in the clip btw

[Akira]

2 minutes ago, Jairzinho said:

https://medal.tv/games/garrys-mod/clips/ngmdIAeIq4k_Z8t9l?invite=cr-MSxGRkYsMjAxODI5NTQy

nice metagame btw, it was only me and the don whos on in the clip btw

Thanks for the sharing the clip with us, you just proved u was trying to get me down so that means this PK is valid + you lied in your PK appeal. Ill tell UA how did i find out about this lol
(idk why u put a ss of my messages in diverge general)

Edited 3 hours ago by Akira

[Jairzinho]

14 minutes ago, Akira said:

Thanks for the sharing the clip with us, you just proved u was trying to get me down so that means this PK is valid + you lied in your PK appeal. Ill tell UA how did i find out about this lol
(idk why u put a ss of my messages in diverge general)

i proved the point that you metagamed bc there was none supreme member on to know you were going to get pked buddy, its not proven in character that we will set you pk active you came on after 15 minutes how did you know you were active?

 

Edited 3 hours ago by Jairzinho

[Don]

you dumb fucking stupid money hungry turkish cockroach i had to change my discord settings cause i knew you would beg for my shit tried msging me friending me up and adding me as a friend had to make my discord so i cant get added anymore. you just joined the faction i gave you street boss everything you wanted idk why trick made you underboss tupac should have been underboss hes been there 2 years before i was even in the faction so was diddy the other guy u pked also joined before me these were og players thats why i sent them some shit when i quit you dont deserve no money i left trick 7 mil and hella guns u just became hc u dont know how supreme faction money works it was all my personal money 7mill was very generous i didnt even collect kickups ever as don all the money was money from me grinding bricks and selling and buying clothes trick knows this you just making up story to pk them lmao cause u couldnt stand being higher position and seeing me give my stuff to a rank below you this was all ooc shit i quit the game lol you just pked them cause for no reason no ic proof never once spoke in game about this to them all discord

[Akira]

1 hour ago, Don said:

you dumb fucking stupid money hungry turkish cockroach i had to change my discord settings cause i knew you would beg for my shit tried msging me friending me up and adding me as a friend had to make my discord so i cant get added anymore. you just joined the faction i gave you street boss everything you wanted idk why trick made you underboss tupac should have been underboss hes been there 2 years before i was even in the faction so was diddy the other guy u pked also joined before me these were og players thats why i sent them some shit when i quit you dont deserve no money i left trick 7 mil and hella guns u just became hc u dont know how supreme faction money works it was all my personal money 7mill was very generous i didnt even collect kickups ever as don all the money was money from me grinding bricks and selling and buying clothes trick knows this you just making up story to pk them lmao cause u couldnt stand being higher position and seeing me give my stuff to a rank below you this was all ooc shit i quit the game lol you just pked them cause for no reason no ic proof never once spoke in game about this to them all discord
 

I didn't PK Tupac for OOC reasons. Even in the clip Tupac posted himself, you can see they were trying to remove me together with Trick Trick. My character found out about it, and I acted before they could

Tupac and the Don tried to remove me and the argument that led to all of this started because of the $10 million you gave him. They just failed THAT DOESNT MEAN I PKED HIM FOR THE MONEY.
https://medal.tv/tr/games/garrys-mod/clips/ngmdIAeIq4k_Z8t9l?invite=cr-MSxGRkYsMjAxODI5NTQy

I've already explained to the UA how my character found out. Before issuing the PK, I explained the reasons to handling staff, gave the full context and provided the necessary evidence

So this isn't an OOC issue and it isn't really about your money!!!

Edited 1 hour ago by Akira

[Akira]

28 minutes ago, Jairzinho said:

i proved the point that you metagamed bc there was none supreme member on to know you were going to get pked buddy, its not proven in character that we will set you pk active you came on after 15 minutes how did you know you were active?

 

I didn't know I was PK Active but i knew you guys were going to try to PK me so I acted first. I've already explained to the UA how my character found that out, so stop crying

[Suárez]

3 hours ago, Akira said:

ICly you're expected to follow your superior's orders. If you choose to go against your Underboss, refuse to share the money, then go behind his back to the Don and try to have him killed, this is the outcome. I don't think there's really anything complicated to understand here

https://medal.tv/tr/games/garrys-mod/clips/ngmdIAeIq4k_Z8t9l?invite=cr-MSxGRkYsMjAxODI5NTQy

Do you really see the message you sent as an order? You were polite and passive, you even asked him if he could help you out. That doesn't sound like you're giving orders. If you had phrased it differently, then it could have been interpreted as an order.

[Akira]

20 minutes ago, Suárez said:

Do you really see the message you sent as an order? You were polite and passive, you even asked him if he could help you out. That doesn't sound like you're giving orders. If you had phrased it differently, then it could have been interpreted as an order.

I dont know how many times I have to explain this i didn't PK him because of that. The Don tried to have me PK'd with tupac my character found out and i acted first. That's it, i only mentioned this Knowledge/Money situation to explain what started the conflict between us and why they tried to take me down it has nothing to do with the PK reason
 

[Suárez]

3 minutes ago, Akira said:

I dont know how many times I have to explain this i didn't PK him because of that. The Don tried to have me PK'd with tupac my character found out and i acted first. That's it, i only mentioned this Knowledge/Money situation to explain what started the conflict between us and why they tried to take me down it has nothing to do with the PK reason
 

But you clearly stated that is the main outcome of his death?

Edited 37 minutes ago by Suárez