False Rdm Ban Appeal

[Jairzinho]

Your Character or Steam Name:  7v67

Your SteamID (Click to retrieve):  76561198276591318

Your Discord ID#:  276024386304344075

Reason for ban: RDM - i was talking with a friend at Chess Park while we were holding our weapons on safety. My friend was carrying a firearm and body armor that could result in felony charges. When a police officer came over and gave us a lawful order, I believed the situation was going to end in an arrest, so because i had my friends f3. One of the officers I killed was Administrator Jennay, who pulled me into a staff sit and punished me without giving me a chance to explain myself, even though there were three other staff members online. I don't believe this was RDM, and even if it was, I don't think the situation was handled fairly or impartially.

Length of ban: 2D

Reason for appeal (dispute/apology): Dispute

Why should you be unbanned?: Because the rules allow me to protect my gang member and there is a rule stating that this situation is not considered RDM.


The rule written here clearly states that if becoming a felon is at stake we have the right to attack the police. I also understand that a possible counterargument would be that Cadet Jennay did not meet any of the conditions listed under "What is considered an attempt to arrest / detain you,"

BUT

As shown in the rule below i am allowed to attack police officers to protect another person if they are a member of my group. After you gave us a lawful order i knew that if you searched my group member while he was carrying a weapon, you would find the firearm that would result in felony charges. Because of that i acted before you even attempted to search him and killed you based on the authority given to me by this rule.

This rule does not say that any additional condition has to be met before i can protect another group member. It does not require you to have already arrested or detained them. I relied on Rule 17 of the Killing Rules along with the firearm rule directly above it, when I decided to shoot the officer.

However instead of giving me a chance to explain my reasoning or handling it the same way any other player would by opening a ticket and waiting for another staff member, Jennay resolved the situation themselves and banned me without giving me an opportunity to defend my actions.

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Also id like to add that I didnt kill the officers based on assumptions or guesses. As you can see in the clip i was masked, armed and had one Q in my inventory(an item that would have made me a felon)  IF i hadnt acted the moment they gave us the lawful order my GANG MEMBER would have been put in a bad situation. As I've said multiple times i acted based on the Killing Rule i mentioned.

https://medal.tv/games/garrys-mod/clips/n6f2Tj7kquO_aVqey?invite=cr-MSxyR2QsMjAxODI5NTQy
 

Edited 37 minutes ago by Jairzinho

[Suárez]

Hello I am the person in the clip. First of all the reason my friend killed the Police Officers was because he had my F3 and Rule 17 of the Killing Rules allowed him to attack the officers to protect me. If you're wondering "Saving you from what?" he saved me from a situation where I was under a lawful order and could have ended up with felony charges. Based on the rule and my friend's explanation his actions were not against the Killing Rules. If he hadn't acted the illegal items I was carrying could have been discovered the officer could have checked my license and more, or any number of other outcomes that would have ended badly for me. In short I do not believe this can be considered RDM.

[Jennay]

Hello!

Normally, I would wait for another staff member to handle a ticket involving me but the only other two staff members online were afk or unresponsive.

I banned you for rdm because you shot and killed both me and another officer when neither of us had made any attempt to arrest your friend. While it is true that if you know an officer is charging you or your friend with a felony during an arrest, you may kill the officer once they attempt to arrest or detain you/your friend, that was not the case here.

Neither I nor the other officer had attempted to arrest your friend. Neither of us had our cuffs or taser out, nor did we say or do anything indicating that we were making an arrest. Had you waited until we attempted to arrest or detain your friend, it would have been considered fair game.

After realizing no other staff member was available to handle the ticket, I reviewed your notes. If you had a relatively clean record, I likely would have just left a note and moved on. However, you have a total of six prior RDM notes and bans. Since this case involved me personally, and your last RDM note was back in December, I issued only a 2-day ban.

Good luck~

[Jairzinho]

I already answered that argument in my appeal. I did not attack you based on the authority given by Rule 16. As you can see in this screenshot, these are two separate rules. One is about showing your ID and the other clearly states in Rule 17 of the Killing Rules that I am allowed to attack police officers to protect other members of my group. This rule does not include any additional conditions or any statement preventing me from shooting you. If the person next to me is someone who has been with me for a while and has my F3 the rule allows me to attack the police to protect them in situations like this. Also even if we assume there were no other staff members available and you had to handle the ticket yourself, why didnt you pull me into a staff sit and punish me without even letting me explain what I've explained here? You didn't give me the slightest opportunity to defend my actions.

Edited 33 minutes ago by Jairzinho