Goblins ban appel

[Goblins]

Your Character or Steam Name: Goblins

Your SteamID (Click to retrieve): STEAM_0:1:231340025

Your Discord ID#: 302089876789002243

Reason for ban: PowerGame

Length of ban: 5 days

Reason for appeal (dispute/apology): Unfair punishment - receiving 3 punishments at the same time

Why should you be unbanned? :In fact, the staff member abused his authority, after as a new police officer who received an order from someone to arrest a person, he receives such an excessive punishment, without a problematic past either on the server or as a player - and especially since he could have released the person for a 5-minute prison sentence - not even something excessive.
He told me that I would have to undergo retraining in the police, and at the same time gave me a 5-day ban + a blacklist from the police, which is not fair or legal in any way. 
Additional Information (images, videos, etc): N/A

 

[Goblins]

I would also like to point out that I received the 3 penalties without proof from the other side, but only because he is a friend of the team member who is completely defending him.
Otherwise, no video, photo or any other means was shown

[Logan]

"Legal" it's staff what you gonna do sue him

[Mickey Lunestra]

1 hour ago, Logan said:

"Legal" it's staff what you gonna do sue him

I’m his lawyer, we’re gonna sue you for this comment aswell 

[Hoovis]

Hello, I am the administrator that banned you. First off, your ban was adjusted to 2 days, which is what I originally intended it to be, not 5. Second, there is no rule preventing you from being banned and blacklisted from PD for the same incident. It is a common occurrence.

As far as the reason for your ban, you arrested an individual for grand theft auto and brought him to the PD cells. After he was in the holding cells for 15 minutes, you jailed him for 5 minutes. During the 15 minutes he was in the holding cells leading up to him being jailed, you did not:
-Properly offer and have the suspect accept a plea deal
-Attempt to bring the suspect to trial through the court system
-Call staff to report the suspect as uncooperative

The suspect reported this, and I brought you to the sit. I explained the relevant rules, that you should have done one of the three things I listed, that they can be in cells up to 30 minutes before an autoplea (which still has to be approved by staff) and initially was considering a retraining and note as punishment, but in the sit you completely refused to admit any wrongdoing and argued with me about the rules. You also said you refuse to do any retraining because you sentencing the suspect was completely justified. It was not justified, it was blatant powergame. From my own determination and the recommendation of a senior staff member, I issued the ban. I also blacklisted you from PD due to this incident and your general refusal to follow the rules of PD. I would also like to note that this blacklist was upheld by the commissioner upon appeal.

[Goblins]

2 hours ago, Hoovis said:

Hello, I am the administrator that banned you. First off, your ban was adjusted to 2 days, which is what I originally intended it to be, not 5. Second, there is no rule preventing you from being banned and blacklisted from PD for the same incident. It is a common occurrence.

As far as the reason for your ban, you arrested an individual for grand theft auto and brought him to the PD cells. After he was in the holding cells for 15 minutes, you jailed him for 5 minutes. During the 15 minutes he was in the holding cells leading up to him being jailed, you did not:
-Properly offer and have the suspect accept a plea deal
-Attempt to bring the suspect to trial through the court system
-Call staff to report the suspect as uncooperative

The suspect reported this, and I brought you to the sit. I explained the relevant rules, that you should have done one of the three things I listed, that they can be in cells up to 30 minutes before an autoplea (which still has to be approved by staff) and initially was considering a retraining and note as punishment, but in the sit you completely refused to admit any wrongdoing and argued with me about the rules. You also said you refuse to do any retraining because you sentencing the suspect was completely justified. It was not justified, it was blatant powergame. From my own determination and the recommendation of a senior staff member, I issued the ban. I also blacklisted you from PD due to this incident and your general refusal to follow the rules of PD. I would also like to note that this blacklist was upheld by the commissioner upon appeal.

I didn't refuse, I agreed to the punishment from the beginning. I said that wasn't what it was. And we didn't have a conversation - you belittled me the whole conversation and I also have part of it recorded. All I said was that I followed instructions, and I said that you could have released him, it was only a 5-minute punishment, but you preferred to choose an excessive and excessive punishment, for a person who has no problematic past either as an actor or as a police officer who, by the way, was on duty for two days and received an order to arrest that person. I agreed to the punishment, and I also have that recorded, and in any case you preferred to give me a ban and a blacklist for nothing.
 

Even when I consulted with people in high positions in the police, and also in the team (I will not mention names at all) they said that these were excessive punishments for a person with no history.

-And I will emphasize again, I agreed to do retraining - and I simply stated that this was the instruction I received and that I was probi only 2 days and followed the instructions.
And seconds later I already received a ban

Edited 1 hour ago by Goblins

[calink]

Hi

You have previously somewhat appealed this case via a Commissioner Ticket, in which Dong, who is both PD commissioner and a Seasoned Administrator, denied your request to overturn the blacklist.

A few other things worth noting: Hoovis is correct that you would require staff approval for any and all force pleas, this is to prevent powergaming, and is generally handled quite quickly and efficiently by the staff team.

Hoovis is however not completely right about the 30 minutes thing - the requirement to undergo the force plea process is a player who will not comply nor interact with the arrest/cells rp

Regardless, a staff member must be involved in every force plea.

Furthermore, it is commonplace to recieve a blacklist *and* a ban - Just as it is common to recieve a PK and a ban for, say, mugging character. It is not one or the other.

In terms of your latest response, you can make a staff report via the forums, too, if you feel necessary.

With the opinions of other members of staff, and the decision made by Dong in mind, we will be denying this appeal, and the ban and blacklist will remain.

[calink]

Your ban appeal has been reviewed and denied.

We have determined this ban to be reasonable and/or justified.

Ensure you have read our Server Rules.