Giacomo Barone PK appeal

[Giacomo Barone]

Name of Character:
Giacomo Barone
Character ID:
177924
SteamID:
 76561199255431268
Your Discord ID#:
1346963494024642710
Date of PK:
27.1.26
Reason for PK:
killed during a mugging
Why should you be unPK'd? What server rule or PK rule was violated?:
I feel as if though my PK was unjust, The clip I was provided in the admin sit you can see the muggers are 3rd person peeking to mug individuals, They did not give me enough time to react to the situation, They also didn’t seem to initiate the mugging properly, and I had my gun out by the time they approached me. I think given them 3rd person peeking, talking about the mugging rules during and also given the “dead wop” flyers after the ordeal just feels as if though the mugging was in poor faith.
If possible please provide video evidence or photo evidence if PK does not follow the guidelines:

https://medal.tv/games/garrys-mod/clips/lZSP24Fgu8Fk9BjRd?invite=cr-MSxQZUYsNDIxNTc1ODc5

Edited yesterday at 01:01 PM by Giacomo Barone

[Dong]

Hi there, PKing admin here.

After slowing down the clip provided to 0.25x, it is evident that during the time of the mugging you did in fact have your weapon out.

Therefore invalidating this PK, for the following reason shown below:

FearRP rule 9: If you are holding a weapon actively in your hand then fearrp does not apply and you may retaliate (even if it is on safety, E+R).

Due to the clip being extremely low resolution combined with the running animation making it difficult to see your weapon, this was a mistake on my part. Apologies for any inconvenience caused.

- Dong 

Edited yesterday at 01:40 PM by Dong

[Hans Hunnebun]

As the person that initiated this mugging in my mind I was almost 100% sure he didn't have a gun out and sadly my medal didn't clip the altercation so I can't provide a second POV. I will say with the quality of the clip and the angle it's hard to say if he had his gun out from this clip. I personally went frame by frame and it looks about 50/50. I think for just the fact that you can't tell in the clip along with the bad angle and quality it would make sense that this gets appealed. It looks about 50/50 when you go frame by frame. You really can't tell whether it's his shirt or a gun in certain frames. 

In this freeze frame you can't tell if thats his shirt or a gun 

Edited yesterday at 02:47 PM by Hans Hunnebun
freeze frame

[Toast]

1 hour ago, Hans Hunnebun said:

As the person that initiated this mugging in my mind I was almost 100% sure he didn't have a gun out and sadly my medal didn't clip the altercation so I can't provide a second POV. I will say with the quality of the clip and the angle it's hard to say if he had his gun out from this clip. I personally went frame by frame and it looks about 50/50. I think for just the fact that you can't tell in the clip along with the bad angle and quality it would make sense that this gets appealed. It looks about 50/50 when you go frame by frame. You really can't tell whether it's his shirt or a gun in certain frames. 

In this freeze frame you can't tell if thats his shirt or a gun 

[MrlogicNova]

4 hours ago, Hans Hunnebun said:

As the person that initiated this mugging in my mind I was almost 100% sure he didn't have a gun out and sadly my medal didn't clip the altercation so I can't provide a second POV. I will say with the quality of the clip and the angle it's hard to say if he had his gun out from this clip. I personally went frame by frame and it looks about 50/50. I think for just the fact that you can't tell in the clip along with the bad angle and quality it would make sense that this gets appealed. It looks about 50/50 when you go frame by frame. You really can't tell whether it's his shirt or a gun in certain frames. 

In this freeze frame you can't tell if thats his shirt or a gun 

Well Well Well...

[ASkull]

2 hours ago, Toast said:

Rare toast zinger 

[arth]

"can you clip that" does that not just invalidate the pk itself

[Giacomo Barone]

5 hours ago, arth said:

"can you clip that" does that not just invalidate the pk itself

all seems very bad faith and poorly executed to me yeah

[Kyta]

10 hours ago, Hans Hunnebun said:

As the person that initiated this mugging in my mind I was almost 100% sure he didn't have a gun out and sadly my medal didn't clip the altercation so I can't provide a second POV. I will say with the quality of the clip and the angle it's hard to say if he had his gun out from this clip. I personally went frame by frame and it looks about 50/50. I think for just the fact that you can't tell in the clip along with the bad angle and quality it would make sense that this gets appealed. It looks about 50/50 when you go frame by frame. You really can't tell whether it's his shirt or a gun in certain frames. 

In this freeze frame you can't tell if thats his shirt or a gun 

Overall, this is just a messy situation. The individual was given only one warning, which does not make him PK-active under the rules.
3) If you're holding someone under Fear RP and issue them orders/warnings not to do something and they disobey you may kill them. However, one single warning/order will not suffice, multiple warnings in a very short time span will also not suffice. You have to give them adequate time to react.
Also breaks mugging rule 11
You may only kill the victim if they DO NOT comply with your demands. Victims that comply are to be left unharmed. 

1. Likewise you may only make realistic demands, this means you can’t demand something unrealistic that the victim cannot deliver in order to kill them. Give them a realistic amount of time to comply. Don't order them to do something then shoot them < 5 seconds later, they barely have time to comply.

In the clip, from his perspective, you can clearly see people pulling out guns on him while he already had a weapon visible. In the video, it’s evident that he was carrying a gun, and for a brief moment he takes it off safety. If he had actually attempted to pull the gun out, it would have taken significantly longer and been much more obvious. That never happened. On top of that, another Fear RP rule is broken:
11) Fearrp no longer applies when you shoot and/or damage the victim, they may retaliate without risk.
You shot him first, within roughly 1–2 seconds after issuing the warning not to move. Fear RP was immediateely voided the moment shots were fired.
I see this situation more of a rdm than a mug if anything and then they proceed to use OOC matters IC. 
 

[Hans Hunnebun]

"Don't order them to do something then shoot them < 5 seconds later, barely have time to comply". Your so right and I appologize for shooting someone that was trying to pull a gun and kill me during a mugging. Are u stupid?

[Hans Hunnebun]

9 hours ago, Toast said:

Must have been a typo as I did put this appeal together rather quickly. I think I meant no more mugging chars. As the ban was for a mugging char when I raided pd. I would like to clarify that they called it a mugging char for raiding pd and not mugging people. So, my ban wasn't related to mugging. For everything else I said, is absolutely true. I've been roleplaying on the server ever since my ban and have been abiding by the rules. 

[Giacomo Barone]

5 hours ago, Hans Hunnebun said:

"Don't order them to do something then shoot them < 5 seconds later, barely have time to comply". Your so right and I appologize for shooting someone that was trying to pull a gun and kill me during a mugging. Are u stupid?

The gun was already out, and I never shot a single bullet. by the time I processed that I was being mugged I was already dead. I was not given the opportunity to comply (although even if I had, I wouldn't have needed to comply due to the fact that I had already had my gun out, but that's beside the point), if I was given a chance to comply I would have complied. It was also not the only issue with the mugging, as you can see in my original post.

[Hans Hunnebun]

Just now, Giacomo Barone said:

The gun was already out, and I never shot a single bullet. by the time I processed that I was being mugged I was already dead. I was not given the opportunity to comply (although even if I had, I wouldn't have needed to comply due to the fact that I had already had my gun out, but that's beside the point), if I was given a chance to comply I would have complied. It was also not the only issue with the mugging, as you can see in my original post.

Yeah it definetly looks like it could have been a mistake on my end. Where the gun was so small maybe I just missed it because the clip looks like it could have blended it with your jacket. It didn't help that you had a big gun on your back so maybe I just missed the pistol, not sure. If that is the case sorry for all the confusion. 

[Giacomo Barone]

5 hours ago, Hans Hunnebun said:

Yeah it definetly looks like it could have been a mistake on my end. Where the gun was so small maybe I just missed it because the clip looks like it could have blended it with your jacket. It didn't help that you had a big gun on your back so maybe I just missed the pistol, not sure. If that is the case sorry for all the confusion. 

I get it, the gun's really small and I can see how you'd mistake the gun on my back for being the one I was using (thinking that since it was still on my back I hadn't pulled out a gun) but I keep that gun on my back cuz I think it looks cool lol. I could reasonably see myself making the same mistake, but nevertheless the pk shouldn't apply.

[Kyta]

33 minutes ago, Hans Hunnebun said:

"Don't order them to do something then shoot them < 5 seconds later, barely have time to comply". Your so right and I appologize for shooting someone that was trying to pull a gun and kill me during a mugging. Are u stupid?

For a valid mug, you’re required to issue clear demands and give a realistic amount of time to comply/react. Saying “hands, hands” and then shooting 2-3 seconds later does not meet that requirement.

Removing a gun from safety is not defined as non compliance or aggression in the rules. You fired before confirming refusal to comply and before establishing Fear RP properly or even to check if he had a gun with him or not. That’s why the shot is invalid rule wise as how I explained it.

[Mike Brown]

This absolutely was a mistake. Killing a man when you had the best cop in the city as a witness. 

[Orsini]

Not only that bro was in 3rd person waiting around the corner, i got banned for that shit.

13 hours ago, Kyta said:

Overall, this is just a messy situation. The individual was given only one warning, which does not make him PK-active under the rules.
3) If you're holding someone under Fear RP and issue them orders/warnings not to do something and they disobey you may kill them. However, one single warning/order will not suffice, multiple warnings in a very short time span will also not suffice. You have to give them adequate time to react.
Also breaks mugging rule 11
You may only kill the victim if they DO NOT comply with your demands. Victims that comply are to be left unharmed. 

1. Likewise you may only make realistic demands, this means you can’t demand something unrealistic that the victim cannot deliver in order to kill them. Give them a realistic amount of time to comply. Don't order them to do something then shoot them < 5 seconds later, they barely have time to comply.

In the clip, from his perspective, you can clearly see people pulling out guns on him while he already had a weapon visible. In the video, it’s evident that he was carrying a gun, and for a brief moment he takes it off safety. If he had actually attempted to pull the gun out, it would have taken significantly longer and been much more obvious. That never happened. On top of that, another Fear RP rule is broken:
11) Fearrp no longer applies when you shoot and/or damage the victim, they may retaliate without risk.
You shot him first, within roughly 1–2 seconds after issuing the warning not to move. Fear RP was immediateely voided the moment shots were fired.
I see this situation more of a rdm than a mug if anything and then they proceed to use OOC matters IC. 
 

 

[ActualCaboose]

Unban this jit already bruh...