Giacomo Barone PK appeal

[Giacomo Barone]

Name of Character:
Giacomo Barone
Character ID:
177924
SteamID:
 76561199255431268
Your Discord ID#:
1346963494024642710
Date of PK:
27.1.26
Reason for PK:
killed during a mugging
Why should you be unPK'd? What server rule or PK rule was violated?:
I feel as if though my PK was unjust, The clip I was provided in the admin sit you can see the muggers are 3rd person peeking to mug individuals, They did not give me enough time to react to the situation, They also didn’t seem to initiate the mugging properly, and I had my gun out by the time they approached me. I think given them 3rd person peeking, talking about the mugging rules during and also given the “dead wop” flyers after the ordeal just feels as if though the mugging was in poor faith.
If possible please provide video evidence or photo evidence if PK does not follow the guidelines:

https://medal.tv/games/garrys-mod/clips/lZSP24Fgu8Fk9BjRd?invite=cr-MSxQZUYsNDIxNTc1ODc5

Edited 12 hours ago by Giacomo Barone

[Dong]

Hi there, PKing admin here.

After slowing down the clip provided to 0.25x, it is evident that during the time of the mugging you did in fact have your weapon out.

Therefore invalidating this PK, for the following reason shown below:

FearRP rule 9: If you are holding a weapon actively in your hand then fearrp does not apply and you may retaliate (even if it is on safety, E+R).

Due to the clip being extremely low resolution combined with the running animation making it difficult to see your weapon, this was a mistake on my part. Apologies for any inconvenience caused.

- Dong 

Edited 12 hours ago by Dong

[Hans Hunnebun]

As the person that initiated this mugging in my mind I was almost 100% sure he didn't have a gun out and sadly my medal didn't clip the altercation so I can't provide a second POV. I will say with the quality of the clip and the angle it's hard to say if he had his gun out from this clip. I personally went frame by frame and it looks about 50/50. I think for just the fact that you can't tell in the clip along with the bad angle and quality it would make sense that this gets appealed. It looks about 50/50 when you go frame by frame. You really can't tell whether it's his shirt or a gun in certain frames. 

In this freeze frame you can't tell if thats his shirt or a gun 

Edited 11 hours ago by Hans Hunnebun
freeze frame

[Toast]

1 hour ago, Hans Hunnebun said:

As the person that initiated this mugging in my mind I was almost 100% sure he didn't have a gun out and sadly my medal didn't clip the altercation so I can't provide a second POV. I will say with the quality of the clip and the angle it's hard to say if he had his gun out from this clip. I personally went frame by frame and it looks about 50/50. I think for just the fact that you can't tell in the clip along with the bad angle and quality it would make sense that this gets appealed. It looks about 50/50 when you go frame by frame. You really can't tell whether it's his shirt or a gun in certain frames. 

In this freeze frame you can't tell if thats his shirt or a gun 

[MrlogicNova]

4 hours ago, Hans Hunnebun said:

As the person that initiated this mugging in my mind I was almost 100% sure he didn't have a gun out and sadly my medal didn't clip the altercation so I can't provide a second POV. I will say with the quality of the clip and the angle it's hard to say if he had his gun out from this clip. I personally went frame by frame and it looks about 50/50. I think for just the fact that you can't tell in the clip along with the bad angle and quality it would make sense that this gets appealed. It looks about 50/50 when you go frame by frame. You really can't tell whether it's his shirt or a gun in certain frames. 

In this freeze frame you can't tell if thats his shirt or a gun 

Well Well Well...

[ASkull]

2 hours ago, Toast said:

Rare toast zinger 

[arth]

"can you clip that" does that not just invalidate the pk itself

[Giacomo Barone]

5 hours ago, arth said:

"can you clip that" does that not just invalidate the pk itself

all seems very bad faith and poorly executed to me yeah

[Kyta]

10 hours ago, Hans Hunnebun said:

As the person that initiated this mugging in my mind I was almost 100% sure he didn't have a gun out and sadly my medal didn't clip the altercation so I can't provide a second POV. I will say with the quality of the clip and the angle it's hard to say if he had his gun out from this clip. I personally went frame by frame and it looks about 50/50. I think for just the fact that you can't tell in the clip along with the bad angle and quality it would make sense that this gets appealed. It looks about 50/50 when you go frame by frame. You really can't tell whether it's his shirt or a gun in certain frames. 

In this freeze frame you can't tell if thats his shirt or a gun 

Overall, this is just a messy situation. The individual was given only one warning, which does not make him PK-active under the rules.
3) If you're holding someone under Fear RP and issue them orders/warnings not to do something and they disobey you may kill them. However, one single warning/order will not suffice, multiple warnings in a very short time span will also not suffice. You have to give them adequate time to react.
Also breaks mugging rule 11
You may only kill the victim if they DO NOT comply with your demands. Victims that comply are to be left unharmed. 

1. Likewise you may only make realistic demands, this means you can’t demand something unrealistic that the victim cannot deliver in order to kill them. Give them a realistic amount of time to comply. Don't order them to do something then shoot them < 5 seconds later, they barely have time to comply.

In the clip, from his perspective, you can clearly see people pulling out guns on him while he already had a weapon visible. In the video, it’s evident that he was carrying a gun, and for a brief moment he takes it off safety. If he had actually attempted to pull the gun out, it would have taken significantly longer and been much more obvious. That never happened. On top of that, another Fear RP rule is broken:
11) Fearrp no longer applies when you shoot and/or damage the victim, they may retaliate without risk.
You shot him first, within roughly 1–2 seconds after issuing the warning not to move. Fear RP was immediateely voided the moment shots were fired.
I see this situation more of a rdm than a mug if anything and then they proceed to use OOC matters IC.