Make Factions Fear God Again (FBI/RICO)

[RevampedRebel]

Every faction has pretty much one consolidated goal: hire as many fucking retarded people as possible to grind bricks for the Don. They do this with limited consequences. You work the door for half an hour without any rp, maybe even less than that, then you're an oil bitch for a week or two before you get into drugs. These factions hire and don't punish some of the most questionable individuals that get caught every 10 min doing shit. The staggering amount of people who operate with little to no operational security, die, and come back in a week is mind blowing. 

Before this gets mass downvoted hear me out please. This isn't just a "buff pd nerf crims" post. If thought out and implemented correctly it can bring an increase in faction rp quality, gives prenatal Tylenol victims something to do, and ideally it would give dons and high command more faction management tools. 

1) Implement a system for faction high command to control who gets access to drugs and/or guns. 

If we're gonna invite a chance that a faction can take some significant damage from poor opsec, it's best that they get the ability to pick and choose who of their people can partake in the activities most vital and dangerous to their continued existence. The meat and potatoes of a RICO case is establishing that a criminal enterprise exists and a pattern of crimes from the past present and planned future crimes. In order for a RICO case to work, you'd have to have fucked up very severely as the bar to prove them is pretty high. Therefore if you're gonna mass hire muscle, best make sure there are tools to allow management to at least macro manage these guys.
2) Have bingus cook up the RICO act. 

Straightforward stuff. He'd have to weigh out the balance to ensure it's not powergame rape nonsense but still give it teeth. If you're gonna hire a fucking mong white shirt with a bat who selects hands instead of keys every time to then go represent your group in drug deals with potential lasting consequences, that's literally on those who hire. Rather than trying to run a zerg of brick grinders, rp with your new hires and thoroughly feel them out and train them. If the cops are so far up your ass that they're able to prove a RICO case against you that's literally a consequence of poor operational security. 

Bank sharing en masse? That's literally on your people. 

Murders in broad daylight? That's literally on your people. 

Your guys wearing your colors while felony maxxing in broad daylight (and probably doing it in your company car)? That's literally on your people. 

Having properties owned by a middleman to keep heat off the Don is good shit. Having businesses run by people not the Don is good shit. There are so many measures to take to prevent a RICO case that if it happens and totally dunks on your people it's not the fault of the police and courts for ripping your nuts off. 

3) Da Fedz

Ah yes I know what you're thinking: isn't this basically detectives+? Kind of but the difference would be that they explicitly would be limited in numbers (call it 5 for sake of balance) but given more legal powers to punish lazy or stupid factions. Being able to get records requests faster and easier, being able to expedite processes of seizure and suspension, and charges they bring coming with some significant fines and jail time for those on the other side of it. Will they be weaponized against disliked factions? No because it comes with the caveats: no former don characters, no characters over senior associate at all in any faction, preference for gov mains, and they aren't allowed to press city level charges only state (and possibly fed?) charges.

 

The balance comes from their numbers. It forces the group to need to be on top of their shit and cull people who aren't doing their job. It would be meant for only the best of the best. 

 

The idea in my head is that there needs to be a legitimate threat to factions that aren't careful and enforcing careful operations. Having outside hit contracts, enforcing decorum, and being generally slick gives you nothing much to worry about. But opening yourself up for a colonoscopy should result in one being scheduled whether you want it or not. 

 

Thoughts?

[bigwillyhumper69]

why not just let detectives do their jobs instead of putting restrictions on them because italian factions are so fucking retarded they let undercover transgender freaks in

[Faith]

faction member has argument with hc

faction member gets arrested

all faction hc gets arrested

gg

 

doesnt work in a video game format, rico LITERALLY killed mafias irl. THIS IS MAFIA RP!!!!

[RevampedRebel]

1 minute ago, bigwillyhumper69 said:

why not just let detectives do their jobs instead of putting restrictions on them because italian factions are so fucking retarded they let undercover transgender freaks in

Would actually prefer this option ngl I'd actually be down to erase this whole suggestion and replace it with this

[RevampedRebel]

2 minutes ago, Faith said:

faction member has argument with hc

faction member gets arrested

all faction hc gets arrested

gg

 

doesnt work in a video game format, rico LITERALLY killed mafias irl. THIS IS MAFIA RP!!!!

I'm not even saying give it razor sharp teeth. But like if you constantly fuck around you should find out at some point with some level of finality imo. 

[krokie]

7 minutes ago, RevampedRebel said:

 

1) Implement a system for faction high command to control who gets access to drugs and/or guns. 

 

PLEASE PLEASE PLEASE PLEASE PLEASE PLEASE PLEASE
 

In all seriousness it makes 110% sense that a criminal organisation can tell it's supplier who will be handling drugs and who won't be. Having flags to order drugs that are able to be handed out via a UI only people with the capo flag have access to would be INCREDIBLE.

Would also do NUMBERS for preventing racket abuse.

[RevampedRebel]

2 minutes ago, krokie said:

PLEASE PLEASE PLEASE PLEASE PLEASE PLEASE PLEASE
 

In all seriousness it makes 110% sense that a criminal organisation can tell it's supplier who will be handling drugs and who won't be. Having flags to order drugs that are able to be handed out via a UI only people with the capo flag have access to would be INCREDIBLE.

Would also do NUMBERS for preventing racket abuse.

Literally like if we're gonna shift things to make police more powerful we do need to have better measures to control those at the bottom to prevent several forms of abuse. 

 

Why should a freshie that joined 30 minutes ago be given access to a supplier that his management never introduced him to? If he wants to do drugs before his faction gave him the import connection, maybe he should go grind weed in the ghetto. 

[Lima]

RICOs kill factions, and theres no fun in that when the point of the server is to mafia rp. I wouldnt be opposed to something similar to rico that is way nerfed and not incredibly hard to prevent. So much would have to change for RICO cases to be able to coexist with crim factions

[KingJewMonaclu]

"Hey I have a mafia rp. The whole point is the mafia exist."

"Yes but what if we make the mafia eraser"

"What"

[Diverge101]

I just want to be called an FBI agent -Bobby Badge

[RevampedRebel]

36 minutes ago, KingJewMonaclu said:

"Hey I have a mafia rp. The whole point is the mafia exist."

"Yes but what if we make the mafia eraser"

"What"

The fun part of having fictional laws is that they can be tuned to not be powergame rape

[RevampedRebel]

57 minutes ago, Lima said:

RICOs kill factions, and theres no fun in that when the point of the server is to mafia rp. I wouldnt be opposed to something similar to rico that is way nerfed and not incredibly hard to prevent. So much would have to change for RICO cases to be able to coexist with crim factions

That's exactly what I'm asking for. I'm not tryna get ezpz faction nuke button I'm trying to get a deterrent to poor practices. Most factions should easily be able to avoid ever having to worry about it. 

[tj21003]

they where removed for a reason -1

[RevampedRebel]

2 minutes ago, tj21003 said:

they where removed for a reason -1

Bringing them back with balances to prevent abuse could be a nice middle ground imo

[Geo_Zeus]

Yes guys let's make this PoliceRP let's bring down the Mafia.  -1

[bigsmoke]

I main Crim and I still support buffing police because I like challenges and I think we should make harder the standard then there will be less kids crying in the sit cause they where minging on their main and lose all their loot  in a pk, survival of the fittest

[RevampedRebel]

22 minutes ago, bigsmoke said:

I main Crim and I still support buffing police because I like challenges and I think we should make harder the standard then there will be less kids crying in the sit cause they where minging on their main and lose all their loot  in a pk, survival of the fittest

Based

[RevampedRebel]

52 minutes ago, Geo_Zeus said:

Yes guys let's make this PoliceRP let's bring down the Mafia.  -1

Not even asking for an asshole stretcher law I'm literally asking for a watered down version that gives the police tools to handle fucked up factions. 

 

Alternatively if we could implement the law but without the feds that still works. 

[david]

this is stupid, go spread retardation elsewhere.

[Coconut]

Rico..... Ah yes lets use something that can be easily metagamed/Powergamed. Rico. Ah yes I can join a discord and then arrest everyone because ik their rank structure.

Rico ah yes let me make a new char and join a faction and then just fuck them over because im bored.

Rico doesnt work. Because it just gets abused like fuck. If you actually played years ago you would know why it was removed. Discord message after discord message used.

Rico ah yes let me have my cop char take down a faction I dont like.

Abuse Abuse Abuse Abuse.

FBI?

Ah yes let me kill michael mikvik so he doesnt get the chance of actually being prosecuted.

FBI ah yes let us just beef pd and abuse our power.

FBI Ah yes lets just walk around with and M249

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Ive been apart of all of the above. It didnt work 4 years ago why would it work now on a less RP diverge?

[Geo_Zeus]

8 minutes ago, RevampedRebel said:

Not even asking for an asshole stretcher law I'm literally asking for a watered down version that gives the police tools to handle fucked up factions. 

 

Alternatively if we could implement the law but without the feds that still works. 

You're preying on new players that do not know the game to give more power to the police. If that passed nobody would hire anyone new cause of the liability and the server would start a gradual downfall. "Oh you don't know the difference between keys and hands? sorry you can't play here cause we can get RICO'd". Everyone has been a "fucking mong white shirt with a bat who selects hands instead of keys every time" at some point. Imagine if 1 faction got RICO'd for every one of those guys that just haven't learned the way this works yet.

[tj21003]

don turned cop that shits nasty

 

[Marshal]

-1 RICO would be abused hard, associates could tank an entire faction so easy