PK Appeal

[Robert McGrath]

Name of Character: Robert "Ice" McGrath

SteamID: STEAM_0:1:71421831

Your Discord ID#: Fowzer

Date of PK: 6/12/2025

Reason for PK: unknown, failmug

Why should you be unPK'd? What server rule or PK rule was violated?: 

There are other instances where killing someone during a mugging will not result in a PK.
- Such as not giving the person reasonable time to react to your demands

 

1. Likewise you may only make realistic demands, this means you can’t demand something unrealistic that the victim cannot deliver in order to kill them. Give them a realistic amount of time to comply. Don't order them to do something then shoot them < 5 seconds later, they barely have time to comply.

I had no clue the guy was even mugging me until I got into the car. He says don't get into the car after I'm already in the car and kills me as soon as he warns me as you can see in the clip. I had no time at all to react. He is also camping at my car which is considered "target mugging"

I was informed his character "Thomas Matthews" was mass mugging and was punished for it. It was a mug alt he created

The guy watched me exit my car to grab packages, camped by my car waiting for me to enter, then he tries to instant mug in a yellow zone yelling commands that I have no time to react to 

If possible please provide video evidence or photo evidence if PK does not follow the guidelines: https://medal.tv/games/garrys-mod/clips/ktHiMP7rw1MQr5G36?invite=cr-MSxERzMsMzMwNjU0MDA

 

 

Screenshots

 

 

The Blue circled area is the spot I was PK'd. It's not in the red

 

 

 

This is the distance he tried to initiate the "Mug". As you can see, I'm already in the process of entering my vehicle and I would not consider this placed under fear. He is more than 15 Ft. away and not even aiming at me. I am also in a yellow zone

 

Edited 15 hours ago by Robert McGrath

[gozmouz]

Hi, in the clip provided he makes it very clear and very known that you are being mugged, and you decide to get in your car and drive off, resisting his orders at gun point entirely, breaking fear rp, giving him grounds to pk you. 

[gozmouz]

4 minutes ago, brycerandall said:

hes fully in the car before he even gets the words out that he'll shoot him if he gets in the car

He announces his presence and intentions before he even unlocks the car, and ignores them and drives off. This is breaking fear rp when you directly disobey an order or try to flee while under gunpoint.

[Robert McGrath]

I can promise you I had no clue that I was the one being mugged or that he was going to kill me until I was in the car. I needed more time. He says it as I'm entering the car. He is also camping my car waiting for me which is clearly targeted mugging. 

 

1. Likewise you may only make realistic demands, this means you can’t demand something unrealistic that the victim cannot deliver in order to kill them. Give them a realistic amount of time to comply. Don't order them to do something then shoot them < 5 seconds later, they barely have time to comply

[gozmouz]

Lack of awareness is not a reason to have a pk appealed.

[brycerandall]

2 minutes ago, gozmouz said:

He announces his presence and intentions before he even unlocks the car, and ignores them and drives off. This is breaking fear rp when you directly disobey an order or try to flee while under gunpoint.

you do realize the bar takes a second to unlock the car? and everyone i know clicks unlock and enter at same time basically. this was a horrible mug attempt in general.

[Robert McGrath]

1. Likewise you may only make realistic demands, this means you can’t demand something unrealistic that the victim cannot deliver in order to kill them. Give them a realistic amount of time to comply. Don't order them to do something then shoot them < 5 seconds later, they barely have time to comply

 

This is the point in the video he states, "stand still, don't get in the car, if you get in the car I will shoot you". He is clearly making demands that already happened.

And yes, he clearly says "Im mugging you" when the sound of it unlocking was completed. I pressed unlock and entered before he said "Im mugging you"

 

[gozmouz]

Right so we're in agreeance he clearly states his intentions and you clearly drive off while he has a gun pointed to you.

[Robert McGrath]

No, he does not give me enough time to comply to his demands and tells me not to get into a car when I'm already in a car. 

1. Likewise you may only make realistic demands, this means you can’t demand something unrealistic that the victim cannot deliver in order to kill them. Give them a realistic amount of time to comply. Don't order them to do something then shoot them < 5 seconds later, they barely have time to comply

[gozmouz]

You had time to react to his demands and you chose to drive off instead of remain still. I am not going to respond any further as its going in a circle, and will let higher ups cast judgement.

[Robert McGrath]

No, he does not give me enough time to comply to his demands and tells me not to get into a car when I'm already in a car. You can't say "Im going to shoot you" while shooting someone. It also makes absolutely no sense to say "if you get into the car im gonna shoot you" when someone is already in the car

1. Likewise you may only make realistic demands, this means you can’t demand something unrealistic that the victim cannot deliver in order to kill them. Give them a realistic amount of time to comply. Don't order them to do something then shoot them < 5 seconds later, they barely have time to comply

Edited Thursday at 06:31 PM by Robert McGrath

[Canadian-bacon]

For everyone else in this thread, do not reply to a PK appeal unless you were directly involved in the situation.

[Robert McGrath]

The blue circled spot is the area of pk as well. Not in the red

[handsome]

5 hours ago, Robert McGrath said:

 

Also, I was informed his character "Thomas Matthews" was mass mugging and was punished for it. It was a mug alt he created

wtf this shit never happened u fabricated this  ive mugged 2 times in like 6 months wth also hes a former cop with hella money a badass pin and aura

[handsome]

@Dick Grayson @Omerta @Gean gaba what could you fat bitches possibly be dumb reacting he's lying he fabricated a story about me making an alt a mug char/alt char and that char being punished he is a liar

Edited Friday at 11:50 AM by handsome

[Robert McGrath]

You watched me get out of my car to grab shipments, sat there and camped it, then tried to instant mug in a yellow zone telling someone to not get in a car they are already in and instantly start firing. Ridiculous 

[handsome]

34 minutes ago, Robert McGrath said:

You watched me get out of my car to grab shipments, sat there and camped it, then tried to instant mug in a yellow zone telling someone to not get in a car they are already in and instantly start firing. Ridiculous 

Dude why are you just a lying liar face i left the ghetto and saw ur car i never watched you leave it i never saw shipments or anything else. Image is of first time i saw ur car was me  leaving ghetto then i walk upto the barrel then the events of the clip happen 

[Robert McGrath]

This proves that you sat and camped a car after I hop out to get a package. Thanks

 

This is the moment he tries to initiate the mug. He doesn't even have me at gun point or under fear. I don't consider being 15 feet away from a person to be considered at gun point and under fear. Completely in a yellow zone btw

Edited Friday at 04:42 PM by Robert McGrath

[handsome]

51 minutes ago, Robert McGrath said:

This proves that you sat and camped a car after I hop out to get a package. Thanks

you sasid i watched you get out and get a package how does this prove this at all

[Robert McGrath]

8 minutes ago, handsome said:

you sasid i watched you get out and get a package how does this prove this at all

Like I said, It proves that you camped at my car after I hop out to get a package. 

Edited Friday at 05:42 PM by Robert McGrath

[handsome]

7 hours ago, Robert McGrath said:

Like I said, It proves that you camped at my car after I hop out to get a package. 

you said i watched you hop out

[4Lights]

Hey there!

So after staff discussion, we will be accepting the PK appeal on a few basis.

 

The clip is cut extremely quickly doesn't give enough time for the person to react, the iniation begins almost immediately. It doesn't explain the context prior. The person in question appeared to be sitting and waiting, his last log prior being a couple minutes across the city ordering oil. Meaning he went directly to the spot, to mug in less than a two minutes, which leaves a lot of unanswered question. 

Further breaking it down, it takes about a second for the voice to transmit through gmod, the angle you approach is through a side angle. Being that it takes a second to transmit your voice, the clip plays, albeit with some caveats, too much like the inhiation of FEAR RP wasn't clear and he didn't have sufficient time to react. He opens and gets into his car, as your are trying to initiate the mugging. Backs up as you are saying you are going to kill him.

 

The clips play:

00:02  - 00:03 - 'this is a mugging you idjiot'

00:03 - Victim unlocks and presumably opens the door ( on door open script. )

00:03 - Mugger says 'Stand still'
00:04 - 00:05 - If you get in the car I'll kill you 

00:05 - Victim drives backwards ( as mugger is saying ' ill kill you' )

00:06 - Mugger starts shooting and nearly instantly kills the the guy

Considering it takes a second for voice to transmit, you can see the issue. You can claim common sense, but he should have a second for the fear RP, to respond to it. In this situation, the start he could be running autopilot. The short clip, the situation prior and potential for metagame, will all attribute to me accepting this appeal. Further while not a mugging character persay. The person involved has a substantial record/ mugging record which was also taken into consideration.

Edited 9 hours ago by 4Lights

[4Lights]

Your appeal has been reviewed and accepted.

Your character has been reinstated and can be used again.