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Hello all, I've discovered kind of a loophole to the whole "Don't work with police, but making statements to cops is fine" pk rules. The current rule states: Which, on its face seems entirely fine. But since we're on the federal rules of evidence in the courts, it creates a stark, immediate issue. Originally, Hearsay was much more restricted. So, a cop hearing a victim say "Hey man that guys stealing my car" (this was a case against me i'm referencing here, guys already dead in an unrelated pk), the officers *can* include that in their affidavits to prove that the victim did have a crime committed against them. So, the current rule being that reporting a crime isnt enough; reporting the crime actually *is* enough to prosecute someone. Their statements can be considered testimony under two rules: FRE 803(1) FRE 803(2) These rules state that hearsay is acceptable and admissible in court if it is: (1) - Present Sense Impression: A statement describing or explaining an event or condition, made while or immediately after the declarant perceived it. (2) - Excited Utterance - A statement relating to a startling event or condition, made while the declarant was under the stress of excitement that it caused. So what does this mean for criminals? Someone yelling out "Officer this guy just killed someone" or "Officer, that guy stole my car" or "Officer he has a gun on him!" is ALL admissible in court. It's all usable. The person need not testify, that *is* usable by the officers' testimony. And the courts can, and always have had the capacity, to convict someone under a singular affidavit (which is debatable considering a previous precedent, but could still reasonably happen right now). My suggestion is very easy to understand. A new addition to the rule. A "Duty to contest". It works very simply. Joe Mecli, a civilian, witnesses someone shoot a guy. He yells out "Officer, that guy shot someone" when he sees a cop, who was not a witness to the actual crime. The officer, having heard the blast, arrests the guy on attempted murder charges or some other charges related (Discharge, Unlawful conduct, yadayada). Well now criminal guy Joe Gambino is in a dicey situation. Joe Gambino, is now allowed, by the rules, that if the testimony of the cop reflects what Joe Mecli said, he can locate Joe Mecli, and threaten him to "Contest". Appear in court and say "Nah that didnt happen". This is the most fair addition to the rule, reflecting the new rules of evidence, and how we deal with witness statements. Now that the DAs office is aware that they can do this shit, they're going to be doing it *a lot*. And there needs to be a balance. The technicality of the rules should be that you have to locate the person in game, Identify them somehow (tie them to the name), and threaten them that they have to get you an affidavit stating the *opposite* before discovery closes. This should be done with at least 24 hours BEFORE discovery closes, as to provide ample time. Then, if they refuse to testify, or they switch sides again on the stand and say its true and the guy is a criminal, the family of that criminal should be able to give orders on the Joe Mecli, the civilian, for snitching. Kind of a long one, but here's my change to the rule I would make: You cannot PK a civilian for simply witnessing or reporting a crime, it's natural for normal civilians to call the Police or report incidents, while you may attack them for this it is not considered a valid PK reason. You may only PK a Civilian if they are actively collaborating with a government agency to take you down, i.e. signing an affidavit or working directly with police beyond the initial report. If their statements to police are later used by police to establish that a crime was committed, you may locate, identify, and threaten the individual in order to write an affidavit contesting that they never made those statements. If they fail to write that affidavit before discovery closes, or refuse to testify thereafter, or testify and state the opposite (thereby further implicating you), you may PK that person.

Can we please RP again? Cut it out with your "cousins" somehow "hearing" about the beef you have with people? Cut down the harassment and chalked up, fabricated reasons to beef. Can't some of you drum up enough creativity to at least justify the shit you start with people without having to lie, metagame, and social engineer by skirting the rules? Just making a plea for some of you to play in good faith and actually RP. There's a reason you came to the City and stayed. We can be diplomatic. We don't have to like each other or even hate each other OOCly to love and hate ICly. Just please, play your characters. I'm so sick of hearing brainrot memes, modern vernacular, and constantly being harassed over dumb shit. Even this right here, pleading for basic decency is going to catch me a ton of flak. I just know it. I'm an RP nerd. It's the only reason I'm here. That's the only reason anyone should need to want to be here or deserve to be here. I agree to follow the rules, which was implicit in my willingness to stay and play for as long as I have. What's the motivation for anything else if not just to troll and harass people to satisfy your egos? Enlighten me, since I'm such a dumbass apparently. tl;dr Hey guys, wanna maybe RP again when you log in the City? Thanks.

I don't want to have to use languages to say OOC shit privately near people. My character is not saying or thinking those things. I propose implementing an Out of Character Whisper so we can exchange sensitive information/reminders OOCly to people near us that others cannot overhear and abuse for metagame/abuse. Things like "pager"(Discord) invites are primarily what I'm thinking but there are other examples I can't drum up on the spot. Please consider, my friends. Thank you all for reading.

This could be a new way to kill people and a new way to pk someone for example you place a bomb under someones car and click a button boom it blows up and they die scarface style

When you pick up a dead body, your speed decreases. I think the same should happen when you pick up someone who is unconscious. The minges are going to hate this suggestion.

Oftentimes, in criminal enterprises, the actual selling of drugs is done through a system of dead drops. So, on the server, I think it'd be really cool to reflect that, and I have some fun twists to balance cops and criminals in this case. A dead drop, in the server, would just be a box that can be placed ONLY INSIDE of actual properties. Therefore, using the box would have direct risk of getting a property seized. There could be up to 3 dead drop boxes/lockers inside a property at once. These would be used by criminals to perform crew deals without having to meet up with eachother. This might seemed overpowered at first, so there's some things that would be used to balance the risk and reward of such a system. Firstly, the boxes/lockers should only be able to be accessed by the party who owns the box when it hits *capacity*. This would discourage use for every day drug deals - i.e. your average rumour trades of 5 or less. You could additionally restrict it to having to be 2 or more lockers filled before access is granted to the property owners. Secondly, the boxes could only be placed *inside* of properties. I.e. inside of your legal property, thats attached to one of your guys' names. If the property is raided for these dead drops, then all of the drugs inside would be attached to your properties. This is an added risk that actually sets properties as valid targets, that *can* finally be seized for conduct, as currently its very rare that a property is seized. Thirdly, restrict the boxes to only drugs. That way joe shmo can't fill it up with random items to hit capacity to let the property access it. Tactics for criminals: Obviously the risk would be high. However, there's a good reason to do it. You dont directly get caught if it goes to shit. Your properties at risk, but your men are safe. You can rebuild, maybe get the property back. Most factions have 2 properties, one they use and one they dont. The risk would be losing a property you're probably not even using. Additionally, you could restrict it with other factions to be only used by HC of other factions. So, if your doing a deal with Cassanos, have a capo+ deliver the product. They gather it on their side, and the associates who could be police dont know where it goes unless they do some actual detective work to implicate it. (i.e. follow them, gain access themselves, etc). Tactics for police: While it may be more difficult to get into crew deals, there's still possibilities to do so. Gaining access or information somehow of these dead drops and their usage. This would restrict their warrants to literally the time that the drop happens, reducing ability of associates to metagame or randomly "guess" that a crew deals going on in a room, causing a raid, because there's "a bunch of people in there". You could get into it somehow inside the criminal organization, you could track the movements of the person who receives all of the drugs, you could somehow get someone to snitch on it. Then, when you have evidence and a warrant, all you gotta do is raid it and get the boxes unlocked. Technicalities of the boxes: The boxes should only be accessible to take stuff out by the faction members of the faction. Additionally, a passcode would be on the box to restrict random associates from being able to see whats inside, like normal lockers. The boxes should be a "Put in only" system for non faction members. This, of course, would be monitored for powergame like normal. The aspect of powergame wouldn't change, because people are able to powergame with or without these boxes. There's no increased risk, and normal monitoring for powergame can occur. The boxes should be restricted to having stuff taken out only if the box is filled, and the person is a member of the faction and has the code The boxes should be restricted to 3-5 boxes per building *in addition to* the normal lockers/boxes that the properties currently have (or still restrict it to 5 total i dont care) The boxes should be restricted to specific kinds of items, as selected by the owning faction. i.e. drugs, guns or clothes

China Town alt accounts booting up all kinds of free cheats and then losing to the italian zips who have better cheats

I do like the idea of dead drops, just not anything related to a factions properties. A actual dead drop shouldn't be connected to any side, like the stashes. This also allows cops to do stake outs on hot dead drops.

+1 common sense

This system does this when calculating things like bail, denying bail if you have too many charges. Adding this function as a means to somehow deter minges doesn't make sense since a minge will simply make a new character and repeat being arrested. I can add charges so if there's missing charges consult with PD HC or bingus/mecli and they can communicate with me to have charges added. I think having arbitrary restrictions to a character to add more and more charges sort of just discourages the existence of long term criminal characters so there's no real reason and the officer/state/judge can just manually look up a person's records and modify the charges based on that... doesn't need to be automatic and remove the RP

They would need to be exceptionally expensive, take time to plant, and need the possibility of defusal but I don't see why not

+1 Needs to be added, current ooc blasts stuff that your saying like discord invites outside the walls

Little Italy slam X30. Little italy Consists of Bonnano, Cassano, Gambino, Altoviti. Compared to Taka. Rudaj and 14k. Mid Tier Faction, Low Tier, Dead. Compared to the 4 biggest on the server.

did you also not tell sos to rat on jews to your da char?

(This is if dopeasroes comes true) Unban Me Give me a char with Unlimited money Remove SOS

Ban 99% of the british playerbase (crocie can stay) Remove all vehicles made after 1995 Unban Jmoorsey

As a police main who has to chase after MUTLIPLE vehicles which are hard to pin and stop. I am tired of dealing with 30 to 60 minute police chases. I am hoping we can bring back or add gasoline stations and fuel system. I understand we have a despawner system, but I was hoping we can get a fuel system in place. I think if people spawn their vehicle, and I think their should also be a fueling system to allow players to be responsible to refuel to have the gas gauge full.

Yeah, if it's too much effort, it's not worth the squeeze- I will always understand that fundamental aspect of suggesting ideas. But if it's easy, it's something I'm surprised already doesn't exist. I suppose using the pager and whispering ICly forsakes convenience for the sake of Roleplay so maybe you're right @calink

I think this is a terrible idea straight up. I like the idea of maybe stashes having an added purpose to double as a drop box but this, no. The idea of bringing illegal RP in the scale of crew deals into properties where almost every single faction has clear rules defining no criminal activity is to take place in them is silly. "This is an added risk that actually sets properties as valid targets, that *can* finally be seized for conduct, as currently its very rare that a property is seized." ^ There is a reason property seizure is rare, it's because HC puts rules in place to not do any stupid illegal shit inside their properties! It's not a bad thing that properties you paid a lot for aren't getting snatched by cops left and right. "Your properties at risk, but your men are safe. You can rebuild, maybe get the property back. Most factions have 2 properties, one they use and one they don't. The risk would be losing a property you're probably not even using." There is so many things wrong with just this sentence alone. What makes you think people aren't getting killed for getting a property seized?? Most factions pay at least 2 million for a second property. There any many reasons why you would want a second property like a 2nd hiring location, place to meet, events, etc. Saying "Well most people don't use those so might as well risk them being seized" is just . Maybe back when factions could own more than 2 properties, but in this era, no. I think the only people that would use this feature are newer factions who maybe don't have an apartment, which again, is not a good thing. Why would you risk 1 entire property, rather than 1 apartment room. To save some guys? In that case, only do 1 on 1 deals. tl;dr Not worth the risk of losing a property (potentially indefinitely). And if caught cops are swarming/seizing your "legal business" (with HC names likely tied to it), opposed to a shitty apartment room.

My 2 cents WOOC doesn't really have a downside except maybe some weird in game metagaming shit, but people who'd do that would do it over Discord anyway And all of the counter points are valid and fine too There is the ingame pager, you can IC-ly whisper a pager username, many people have 'business card' binds, you can make your discord username not cringe and it'll fit right in If it takes 2 minutes to code why not just add it If it is a considerable effort - no ones roleplay is *actually* being affected enough to worry Moshi Moshi Omerta Sama Kun Nippon Japan moment

P.S. I am not going to start complaining and making player reports in Discord or the Forums. Trying to do @ reports already gets me ignored and mocked for just trying to play legit. And I hate snitching. Hate gathering evidence. Hate the whole process. It's not why I'm here. My hopes are some of you will find that spark and log in for the sauce once again.

This has been done and should now be reflected on the form.

+1

Making billboards rentable by the government would be a nice addition to the city

So i would gather up like 3 to 4 white shirts that are new to the game and give them suits and send them to a random place and tell tehm tahts where i work just stand behind hte counter say mr. zelensky hired you, and they would have fights with the managers saying that another manager hired them but hte thing is i dont even work at they place

Im not even trying to rage bait dude, little Italy is CONSTANTLY beefing with each other So many tickets come in for the most petty shit its unbelievable

If detective rp has you this mad you might unironically be autistic lmao