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Calink did a pretty good job explaining the reasons why you were banned, you cannot claim a character has PTSD just to get into shootouts with officers. While there are otherways to incorporate PTSD into a character, using it as an excuse just to engage in shootouts with cops is not allowed but also not a valid form of RP.

Well with a bit more context, I don't believe you knowingly or immorally committed admin abuse. I do however believe at this time that you had insufficient evidence or reason to authorize the PK and were misinformed or misled by the member who ordered the HIT. Nothing personally against your competence or judgment. I just believe that you were misled and so you didn't have sufficient evidence to authorize. No big deal. I'll explain: I appreciate the response and opportunity to clarify, but I must respectfully and thoroughly dispute the validity of this PK. I was an original member of Sanzekai and, following that group’s disbandment, never joined, was never initiated into, nor invited by the faction Takahashi-Kai. After Sanzekai’s discord and faction closed, I was never added to or even contacted about the new group's discord, and thus have had zero communication with or knowledge of any new management, leadership, rules, or expectations. My only connection to Takahashi-Kai is an accidental technical placement—simply leftover from Sanzekai’s roster, not from any in-character recruitment or roleplay. The only possible way I can be in this faction is if Sanzekai's faction server file was recycled into an entirely new group (when it should have been demolished with Sanzekai's disband, starting a new faction from scratch). This, I believe to be a non-malicious server-side error that harmed my RP IC continuity. I have not been present for any meetings, have never visited the new faction’s locations, do not know their vendors or products, and have not been informed of any dues, obligations, or rules. It is impossible for me to be a “liability” to a group I have never even spoken to or been made aware of in any capacity. I have none of their info or "secrets". For further context, I once had a discord conversation during the closing stages of Sanzekai where new management brought up my inactivity, dues, and possible removal from the faction, as I was busy earning a doctorate in real life and couldn’t play much for a couple years. Rage and other high-ranking Sanzekai members told the new leaders that I was very busy IRL but was an original since spring 2021 and should be grandfathered in. They explicitly agreed to let me stay on the roster as an OG who only pops into town, with an understanding that I did not have the same tax requirements while inactive and that I was always welcomed back. I have only played 2 times briefly to reminisce and walk around town late at night for like 20-30 minutes since I noticed the map changed and I’m randomly in Takahashi-Kai, With Sanzekai gone and all those high-ranking members, including Rage, now gone as well, there is no fair IC continuity or expectation by which Takahashi could claim a legitimate PK reason against me. I do not know any current Takahashi management or have any connection to their operations. Another layer of complication is added where Diverge Networks does not have specific, detailed rules governing faction transitions or what happens when one faction dissolves and another takes over its infrastructure and member roster (consider this an opportunity to update/improve your server rules regarding faction disbands and transitions ). My search results online show various faction applications and one case where faction transfers caused technical "PK registration" issues, but no established protocol for member liability transfer from dissolved factions to successors. There are no rules requiring new leadership to honor previous agreements, notify members of faction changes, or establish how someone becomes officially "part of" a successor organization versus just being on an inherited roster. This regulatory gap actually strengthens my appeal argument because I cannot be held liable under faction rules you never agreed to, by leadership you never met, in an organization you never officially joined due to the absence of proper succession protocols. Per the server rules, a valid PK must be based on “repeated… poor behaviour, misconduct, violation of your family rules or even blatant disrespect of made men in your organization… there has to be tangible damages, disrespecting someone once is not a reason to kill someone. This also means you cannot PK someone for mucking up JUST one time. Having continued issues or warnings about behaviour or disputes can cause escalation to a PK. (record the Warnings/encounters/transgressions need be (very important key evidence invalidating PK))” (Permanent Kill Reasons & Rules: Family Member Kills). In my case, I have not received any warnings, and there is no documentation or record of repeated problematic behavior, damages, or disputes—because there have been none. My only absence was due to real-life reasons, openly discussed a year or so ago with previous leadership, and never addressed IC or OOC by anyone in Takahashi-Kai. I would like to see evidence (from he who ordered the hit) of old posts or records that indicate I was on their discord (Discord: .butface; I never was), or video/text/log evidence of warnings or attempt to rectify debt or liability (which should exist before the on-duty staff member approves a PK, so I expect they should be provided here in the report as the sole basis for evidence legitimizing the hit; there is none and that would be insufficient evidence at the very least making this a clear violation of DivergeNetworks PK rules and a mistrial). This guy is just a hater that I don’t know who was bored at 3am. Rules specify, “The order must be given in-game by the Don or trusted High Command member of the family… The person receiving the order must have the identity (f3) of whomever is giving the order, they need to know who their boss is, they can't receive an order from someone they don't know” (Permanent Kill Reasons & Rules: Family Member Kills). I had no in-game interaction, no opportunity for dialogue, no warning, and never even received a basic introduction from any current leadership. I was presented with no RP opportunity to amend, clarify, or officially leave, nor was I told of taxes or obligations—because I was never made aware or added to the new group’s infrastructure at all. How can I be held accountable for rules, policies, or debts I was never told about by a management team I neither know nor recognize? I am not theirs to “discipline” or PK. If taxes or participation truly mattered, the Don could and, per the rules, should have reached out IC to clarify, offer a way to pay or leave, or set expectations before even considering a PK (Permanent Kill Reasons & Rules: Family Member Kills). None of the classic, codified PK reasons—such as betrayal, snitching, repeated warnings, harm to the family, or disrupting RP continuity—apply in my case, nor are they documented. Instead, this action appears to be purely mechanical, rooted in auto-inheritance of Sanzekai records (server-side design/continuity error/non-optimal server file management), not in-character escalation, repeated damages, or any real dispute. The rules are clear that “a valid reason is required for all PK’s. A PK’s approval is entirely dependent on the reason given, if you give a weak reason such as ‘he disrespected me’ then your PK will not be approved” (Permanent Kill Reasons & Rules: General PK Rules). The policy is also clear about the “left faction” clause: it applies only if a made member actively leaves, is informed, and has a two-week window with a clear in-game reasoning and evidence; there must be RP continuity and sufficient cause (Permanent Kill Reasons & Rules: Family Member Kills). I never received any communication IC or OOC offering a way to leave or clarify my position, and I did not even know that I was considered part of any “new” organization or was on any “list.” Additionally, the requirement is for “tangible damages, unwarranted harm in a financial (+10,000$) or repeated physical way,” not mere inactivity or tax owed when no opportunity to pay or even notification of dues was ever provided (Permanent Kill Reasons & Rules: Family Member Kills). I was not actively participating, had no chance to respond, and the organization’s claim is based only on record-keeping rather than RP process. Bottom line: Punishing a character who did not join, was not inducted, never informed of expectations, and is accused of non-participation in a group he was never actually part of is fundamentally unfair—and strictly contrary to the letter and spirit of Diverge’s rules. There was no legitimate RP escalation, warning, or opportunity for me to amend or even understand any “liability.” If there is specific documentation of repeated harm or toxicity, please present it, as stipulated in the PK rules. Otherwise, this PK is baseless, rooted in poor faction and server management (no offense, not saying this angrily, only technically just as a responsible and fair business would run with standards and policies), purely technical inheritance, and not genuine character progression or IC realism. A bona fide PK must show documentation, RP engagement, clear reason, and an opportunity for the member to be involved in the resolution or removal, none of which were given here. I would actually like to request to see proof of liability, financial debt, or text,log, or video recorded evidence by the Don or high ranking members as an attempt to contact me and inform me of necessary work or debt IC. I think it's necessary evidence on the Don's part for PK and I know that it would not exist. I've only spent 45 minutes in town in the last year or so and was just about to try to start playing again and relearn the new locations and social networks/layouts of the server now that I have a little more stability and free-time IRL. If there is any actual record of warnings, damages, or in-character misconduct, They should be presented now, as your guidelines explicitly require. Otherwise, this PK is not valid under the codified Diverge Networks PK rules—specifically for family kills, liabilities, and faction transitions—and should respectfully be overturned. (Permanent Kill Reasons & Rules: Family Member Kills; Permanent Kill Reasons & Rules: General PK Rules.) This is why I respectfully request that the PK be overturned. If current management or the Don had any real concerns, they should have reached out IC with a clear chance for me to learn, pay, leave, or explain—just as would be expected in any well-run, fair RP environment. As it stands, this sets the wrong example for returning or inactive players and undermines faction and RP continuity on the server (Permanent Kill Reasons & Rules: Family Member Kills; Permanent Kill Reasons & Rules: General PK Rules). This also encourages dropout from a user-design perspective: I wanted to start playing the character again but given the nature of having to relearn the new map and social networks, I'm not likely to start a new character on this server (especially on a 5 year old character with a decent item bank and especially when the PK was controversial; I don't even feel like my character died in RP, just basically got uninformedly minged by a player with a little bit of faction power who I did not even know; like that would lowkey be gay AF and such a lame, unwarranted, uninformed sendoff to Jimmy Hands' lore.). Also, if witnesses exist or the crime is too public, the staff may not consider it a valid or realistic RP scenario, and it could affect appeal reviews (PK rules open to interpretation puts me in the center of a public park with like 12 people standing around). While this is open to interpretation and not inherently invalidating. There weren't even any LEOS online and I was eating noodles IRL at 3am, about to log off and go to bed. there were only like 18 people online... like come onnn -_- you and I both see that. If I legitimately died from in game actions and was aware of a situation/beef that could possibly PK me.. like that's fun and fair RP. I would not complain, and I have endured many of those attempts/threats. This seems heavily disputable and kind of mingy and confusing for the one receiving the PK (me; you can see in the video i didn't even react angrily or verbally when I got PK'd just pure confusion). You should know why when you die or at least have some ideas. This just kinda feels like a slap in the face to OG characters who have supported the server and helped foster the community in the early days who wish to re-enter town and aren't doing anything to get PK'd. They couldn't have even like picked me up, talked to me, told me i was in trouble/to prepare for death like in a cool way so that I could at least clip Jimmy-Hands' demise in execution style. This was all done wrong. I would encourage and appreciate multiple staff members to hear my reasoning and judge for themselves, perhaps to cross examine and give fair trial.

+1 bring em back

It was an example to reveal your fallacy and hearsays. You heard from these people that it's not fun, so I simply used your logic and also just said that X amount of people enjoy it so it cancels out, which I guess simply proves that you're still clinging onto that fallacy... I will make a report since there is no other way to solve this, I'm not doing this out of spite but because I don't want to have this ban on my record since I still can't understand or see my guilt, as there are no clips, and you provided me with only hearsays.

I said your behaviour wasn't malicious, you were ignorant to the rules, and that is okay. You told me you believed there were 10 people who enjoyed the roleplay, which cancels out the people who reported it, and that they'd join you in a staff report. Feel free to open that report if you see fit, I am sorry you are unhappy with my responses

they'd never know twin, also your store is being raided either way so what are you talking about

What? I am trying not be be blunt but you just lied to my face. I did not threaten you with a staff report, nor did I say that at all. I was trying to plead my case that my RP was valid and you shut me off by banning me before I was done telling you how I wasn't guilty of the 3 rule breaks you accused me of and immediately banned me for. Now, I ask again: Where is the proof, the recordings, and especially the recordings when I threatened a staff report on you? You said you didn't think I was being malicious, but now you change your story and say I was threatening you with a staff report with 10 of my friends. What kind of nonsense is this? I don't know what delusions you're making right now, but you are making me have to do a staff report now, despite me never having to or wanting to do one before. I don't even know 10 people on this server, check my join date. This is just ridiculous, and I'm glad it's your last response. We'll be taking this to staff report in that case, since you're now just making up stuff that contradicts what you said earlier.

Hi - As a final response: Your PTSD RP was invalid, and not a reason to begin conflict with the police - which you did by spraying bullets and hitting them numerous times. It also wouldn't have helped you IC-ly with your court case. The decision to ban you and treat this as a rule break was mine, not the players. They did not report you for RDM or Cop Baiting, but with the information provided via logs, clips and testimonies that is the outcome I deduced. I tried to have more productive communication with you, but you were more interested in telling me about how you would be making a staff report with your 10 friends if I punish you. When you are unbanned, I hope you will not insist on 'roleplaying' in the same way. Thankyou for sharing your perspective

I did not state above that I broke the rules. I simply prepared a defense of anything you might reply with and give a expalanation right away, since, from my POV, I did not engage in conflict intentionally, nor did I try to break any RDM rule. I was breaking the IC law by discharging my weapon illegally in a panic attack induced from PTSD. Again, my lawyer questioned the officers In-Character and their memory was quite vague. My lawyer said that they didn't even know how the discharge of my weapon went down exactly, but yet they claim I was trying to instill conflict. This, again, was clearly a attempt to frame me for anything they could OOC to get back at my great and skilled lawyer. I do not blame you for believing them, but still, if they can't fully remember these events but yet it's so important that I recieve a ban for them, then we should question their motives, not get me off the server. In fact, it was so important that they provided you with no physical evidence. 1. You only have logs and hearsays. 2. They were aware of the RP going on, since my lawyer was reminding them. Therefore: Reasonably, this is nowhere near a reason to ban, yet you decided to ban. I would understand a verbal warning and dicussion, but you intentionally cut me off from trying to argue my case by banning me fast enough to not hear all of what I had to say for myself, effectively ruining the RP experience not just for me, but for my lawyer who was still in there arguing for me. I understand you may have interpreted my RP as blunt, but at least talk to me and try to enforce a positive and optimistic way of dealing with this, not bringing me to a sit only to tell me that I'm about to not be able to play on a server and not letting me explain to you my side clearly for you to understand.

Your ban was unrelated to IC law, and was to do with your server rule breaks. I apologize for a lack of clip to show you, but your sprees are findable in logs, and your own ban dispute details quite well that you broke the rules. As specified - your PTSD roleplay is not a valid reason to engage in conflict. I don't believe you did this maliciously, and I'm sure you will hopefully have learnt from this experience, and be able to provide better, rule-aligned RP in future.

Additionally, I would like to highlight that punishing, or even going as far as banning someone for breaking an In-Character law, whilst the police actively take care of it, is unreasonable. Not even counting the fact that I got out for it. Hiding behind rules? No. I am simply pointing out the fact that it's not my fault that they didn't PK my character or that you didn't do the PK in time, so I assumed I could just play it off as an injury recovered and turn myself in, which I did later, unless you're talking about something else. Also, yes. They knew my character had PTSD. My lawyer mentioned it to them several times, unless they weren't listening. I am not exactly sure what he said as I may not have been there for it, but I know he mentioned, at the very least, that my character had "problems", by which you can reasonably assume I'm roleplaying a mentally unwell person. As I said before, they intentionally framed it into an Out-Of-Character issue because my lawyer defended me well and I ended up with no charges. Their attempt to get me punished by any means is a fallacious way to get back at my lawyer for just being a good lawyer.

Thank you for clarifying your side, however, for as far as I am aware, there is no proof to what you have banned me for in the first place. You didn't mention recieving any recording of the fact that I was allegedly minging. Would it not be in order for such recordings to be presented and the matter discussed? Instead I was banned for simply disagreeing and trying to notify you that this is fallacious. If you believe my RP was mingy or at the point of being harmful towards a faction, I would like a recording we can discuss first. I mean no offense, but I do not believe your side. Additionally, my point of it not being RDM still stands. I did not kill a single player and common sense here cannot be used if there is no recording you can provide. Or if you can provide one, then please highlight exactly how it was RDM and why it's worth a ban for a day, not a warning. Hopefully you reconsider your decision.

I cant wait to have my store raided by cops because of a fake ID system!!

what a valuable contribution to the post, bigwillyhumper69

mines bigger +1 its not a competition tho

Hi, I'm the staff member who handled this ban - Firstly, I'm sorry you feel your ban was unjust, and I'm hoping I can make it more clear as to why I had ruled this way. NITRP: In terms of this clause of your ban, your PTSD roleplay is something you are welcome to build into your character, in terms of casual roleplay moments such as speech, mannerisms, and talking points, I think it could provide a really interesting character for others to interact with. The reason this fell short for you, is due to 1. your lack of truly bringing that character into your interactions with others, and 2. due to it only really existing to justify your shootouts with the police. The 4 officers who I dealt with had individually reported you over a course of time for PK tickets, but due to the time these weren't able to be handled. Every time you were hospitalized (killed) you would return again and engage in the exact same behavior, but none of these other players were aware or supportive of your PTSD roleplay as a reason to be shooting them. This leads me to look at character rules 11 and 12, as well as how your gameplay is preventing these other players from achieving the RP they are looking for when they play PD. When I eventually took the ticket "I have a question for staff" (Or similar) and they explained the situation, I felt it was the correct course of action to follow up rather than let this cycle continue, and leave a sizeable group of players unable to enjoy the server. 11. You may not have a minge/non-serious character for 'messing around' 12. You may not have a character for the express purpose of mugging/raiding RDM & Cop Bait: If you were to read through the Killing Rules again (which can be found alongside plenty of other server rules on the link provided) there are a few clauses that go against your killing reason. 15. In the same vein there are still times when you can't shoot police and it would be considered RDM. You may not KOS Police for no reason. 18. Generally you shouldn't invite conflict then try to hide behind the rules when you're killed. This can also be considered baiting as described under killing rule 6. Intentionally instigating someone or goad them into breaking a rule. There are no rules or mentions in the Killing Rules that support PTSD as a reason to engage in conflict with the police, especially without any prior interaction or RP, even with your characters past in the PD whitelist. Hopefully that highlights the key reasons why I decided on your ban!

+1 Dirty Boxing

You clearly have zero idea what you are talking about.

itd be cool but it'd cause a lot more problems for factions than it would the PD / gov

Irony

With the addition of gun licenses showing up on IDs, it would be cool if criminals could use Fake ID’s that have a certain number of uses. This would be so that felons could purchase a fake ID to buy weapons from gun stores.

Your Character or Steam Name: Marcin Sławinski | Ender Your SteamID: STEAM_0:0:542523185 Your Discord ID#: 1201123490225475657 Reason for ban: NITRP | RDM | Cop Baiting Length of ban: 1 day Reason for appeal (dispute/apology): Dispute Why should you be unbanned?: Let me explain this in a few parts, disputing every ban reason individually. First, the fallacious argumentation of the administrator that accused me of NITRP. According to the server rules posted on February 8, 2024: "NITRP = No intent to roleplay" I told the admin clearly, that my intention was to roleplay, based on the fact that I was roleplaying a former police senior officer experiencing several PTSD symptom flare-ups (The character I was on was a former senior police officer). The admin began arguing that I should have been PK'ed by police and using it as back up for his already poor arguments, despite it not being my fault that police didn't ask for a possible PK on me, and we played it off In-Character as me being injured and turning myself in later. As a senior officer, In-Character, I saw many dead bodies, participated in shootings and high-stress situations, so I believe roleplaying having PTSD attacks is not something that is "NITRP", if anything it's a well-thought out roleplay. The admin used the argument of the roleplay not being "fun" for everyone, which I don't think needs much explanation for why it is of fallacious origin. People had fun, some even laughed. It gave police something to work and figure out, since my intention was not to kill anyone In-Character. Even still, the very foundation of the "not fun for X" crumbles, since not everything has to be fun for players. Some things are less fun for other players, and some are more fun for others. With this logic we should have already disbanded the NYPD and removed many different server rules, since they're not fun but restricting for the players. Second, the false RDM. The definition of RDM, according to the server rules posted on February 8, 2024: "RDM = Random Death Match, Killing Players without valid reason." The definition does not match with what I was doing, and neither would ARDM even if the ban was changed. I had no intention of killing anyone without a valid reason. In fact, when I was still roleplaying the PTSD symptom flare-ups, I tried to avoid aiming at people if I discharged my weapon in a panic attack or because some other In-Character mental illness. If I did damage someone, it was not intentional and should be dealt with In-Character, not taken Out-Of-Character unless they want to PK me, but they did not want to, so the roleplay became that I was injured and rushed to the hospital, later arrested when I turned myself in. Third, Cop Baiting. There is no clear definition of "Cop Baiting", but general rule 18 on the server rules posted on February 8, 2024, states: "Do not Cop Bait just because you are bored." I did not cop bait just because I was bored. My character had a valid reason to get PTSD or other mental illnesses that caused them to do the things they did, which progressed my character's story. I was roleplaying PTSD, with a valid In-Character reason and background story, like actually participating in raids, shootings and other violent events before. Also, I was let out twice for the same "cop baiting", which, from the looks of it, was not cop baiting after all if they let me out twice for it with no charges or record. Additional Information (images, videos, etc): I was reported in the first place because Police Officers could not convict me and lacked evidence, or made the evidence they had no longer usable because of their own incompetence In-Character, so they turned to their last hope which is report me for the earlier roleplay and their failure to ask for a possible PK.

Good Afternoon, I was the admin who conducted your PK. You were PKed through dons' orders and the reason behind it was that you left their discord and you had over 2 years of missed taxes and being an overall liability to the family. This was not RDM nor admin abuse I can assure you that. The person who took you to park was ordered to IC by another member who shot you from a distance with a rifle here is the clip for that https://medal.tv/games/garrys-mod/clips/l28pHzzW8IzpyuP98?invite=cr-MSxIN2EsNDIwNDQzMTk5&v=120

i fuck with this idea heavy