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Realistically when it comes to the mugging rules as they already exist I think it's reasonable to ask that they not do it in white shirt disguise.

yeah honestly thats a fucking downgrade. I'd always anticipate a whiteshirt. I would NEVER anticipate someone wearing super expensive clothing

Neither of these are conflict I just needed to get ammo and get into position. I was, in fact, part of an event as I'd spawned my stuff and I was going to be participating and was getting ready to get ammo and get to a starting location and I was not actively participating, as I didn't have the uniform which is what is the deciding factor of that event. Everyone was part of the event. Except for you, you were murdering people apparently. Which then postponed my having fun in the event. This screams to me, "I knew the event would prevent my capture, so I did it". Then a "wtf the guy who got me was partaking in an event, and cant catch me." This is in conflict with eachother. You chose to do this during an event, knowing that officers would be otherwise pre-disposed. It just so happens we had one officer available, the only other officer in the city. You decided to shoot at him, thinking that I was pre-disposed in an event, which I took a brief period before starting up to get someone to handle you. I arrived just to make sure you didn't shoot him, which you did and you got your shit one tapped.

IMA BE SO FR White shirts are up to no good 90% of the time you should expect some shit ngl

Ok then let me tell you why this is dumb. Bait and Confuse Victims: You should not be flagrantly refusing to be mugged because of your OOC belief that it's a whiteshirt. Roleplay it. Assume its a real guy. I've never heard this in my entire time as staff, someone going "Well I thought it was a fail mug because they didnt have expensive clothes". Usually people who are mugging people are wearing nothing or wearing clothing store outfits, both of which you would assume is a new person if you aren't aware of their identity. Having clothes on doesn't change the dynamic. But, more on that - Risk - They are risking their character. Not wearing expensive clothes *to a mugging* doesn't actually mean anything for the risk. Unless they gave their clothes away *prior to the mugging*, which is actually still allowed so long as it doesn't come back to them. It really doesn't matter. None of this actually matters. If it's a fail mug, it gets reversed, we get the items back, if they're unrecoverable because its on an individuals person and they refuse to relinquish, we pk the char and just spawn you new clothes. You taking a decided risk to shoot at someone during a mugging is just short sighted, low IQ behavior and completely on you. Don't shoot at someone during a mugging on the chance that it's "A new player, and it will be reversed." If you're going to take that gamble, you're going to lose that gamble. Literally everybody who gets mugged ever immediately thinks its a "Mugging char" or a "Fail mug", as noted by every single ticket that is made in the aftermath of a mugging. Every single one. "Can you check if this is a mugging char, he had shitty clothes on" or whatever, the exact same logic you're using. But those people aren't dumb enough to risk their character on a hunch because of a perpetrators fashion choices.

Thank you for your concerns, but I have not even been on tonight. I actually think the server would benefit from this.

+1 lwk kinda agree i mean clothes are like 500$ for like cheap clothes at clothes store so thats a easy thing to counteract

this guy 100% got mugged tonight

The Problem: Right now, players are initiating mugs while completely unclothed, leaving them in the default "White Shirt" state. Because our rules already state that actual fresh spawns cannot mug, seeing someone in a white shirt creates confusion. Players are abusing this by intentionally removing all of their clothing to: Bait & Confuse Victims: They trick people into thinking they are harmless new spawns who aren't allowed to mug, exploiting that false sense of security to pull off an easy robbery. Zero-Risk Criminality: They risk absolutely none of their actual clothing items or gear other than a gun if the mugging goes wrong and they get killed or caught. Honestly it's just bad rp, being white-shirt is like being naked and requires no effort. The Proposal: Make it an official rule that players must be actively wearing clothing to initiate a mugging. If a player is not wearing any clothing items (meaning they are in the default "White Shirt" state), they are prohibited from robbing other players. If a player uses restraints on another player, they cannot change or remove their clothing for the entire duration that the situation is active like it is already the case when they take damage. Other players who did participate in the mugging should not be allowed to leave the situation while being a white shirt until they reach a safe spot. Server Precedent: We already know this state causes issues because during the last Racket Reshuffling Event, players in white shirt were not permitted to participate. The staff team already recognized that the default white shirt state disrupts competitive fairness and clarity. We should simply extend that exact same logic to daily server life regarding muggings and hostile RP.

+1 for sure. Good luck Howie!!

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You didn’t make any demands of me. You turned away/pole down when I pulled my gun, which I waited for- just in case, and you made a command AFTER I had it pulled. Argue til you’re blue. I know the facts and that they were talking to Sonny and that I wasn’t involved. Only one dude on me wasn’t commanding me, 15-20 feet from everything. This PK is completely bogus. My failmug ticket was ignored, my video/perspective wasn’t taken into consideration, and my PK was issued before my ticket was closed. Unless an Admin asks for more information from me, which I doubt, I’ve stated my truths. I’ll wait for a response and pray for fairness.

You were also being mugged you idiot, you just werent the "main" target. We wanted nothing to do with you but you were being mugged for the sake of our security. I told you very clearly dont fucking move, you pulled your gun and kept moving. Therefore you died. Keep fuming.

So, you admit that I wasn’t the target and was just a witness. And the argument that you issued commands to me and never dropped your gun are outright lies. Grow up and learn to play in good faith rather than lying for a kill.

Nice pic of me bro thx, I would take a picture of u but you didn't look good at all

i never assulted them bro

+1 a lot of people see howie as a troll but hes honestly not as bad as you think

Sorry I didn't think you grabbed me I thought the game had just glitched. This is on me. Sorry for the issue. In the future I will pay better attention my bad. Thanks for the clarification!

Hello, I'm the admin who set you active and handled the PK. When you join a criminal faction, you receive this pop-up: You were killed due to orders placed against you for assaulting a buttoned man

Nothing is being LIED about. Relax yourself.

Guy on the guardrail watching. NPC watching. You’re on the sidewalk when you start to mug Sonny. I am across the street with another guy. One dude. He doesn’t say shit. Slips up so I’m able to pull my gun ON SAFETY which was my entire intention because I did not yet assess the situation. Even still, I’m an idle threat and wasn’t put under Fear RP nor given time to comply with any demands (demands that weren’t even given to me!) so it’s kind of funny how the issue is being so horribly conflated and details are being outright LIED about.

Admin that removed your pet flags here. You were in the Little Israel parking lot prop flying on a table saying "look at me guys." I grabbed you and told you to knock it off. Less than 2 minutes later, when you thought I wasn't there anymore, you did it again. That's why your pet flags got removed.

Yellow Zone does not nullify the fact that an NPC is watching. Not to mention ME, who was not yet under Fear RP. You may NOT mug in front of NPCs as they are considered witnesses in RP. You may not bypass this rule by attempting to 'pull them away under FearRP in front of an NPC. Do not target people using NPCs/ATMs/Stashes. This includes camping. AND Use this map as a general guide to understand where you can mug on the spot and where you can initiate a mug when no one is around to pull them into a secluded area / empty building. The goal of this image is to help reduce fail mugs. It is a good guideline to follow, all rules listed in this section will supersede the map and staff have the final say regarding what is or isn't fail mug in a sit. Yellow Zones do not supersede the presence of any witnesses or bystanders.