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thats the great thing about the feature is that its *optional*, your own personal risk assessment of use does not invalidate the utility of the option.

It makes sense. I think a lot of civilian "mains" get too comfortable doing things that would be considered mingy or just NITRP if it was someone in a faction that did it. IE accusing someone of having a gun, or making 911 calls about certain things. In a crim faction it's easy to handle that via dons orders, but for random civis were kinda powerless. Huge +1

Yeah, if it's too much effort, it's not worth the squeeze- I will always understand that fundamental aspect of suggesting ideas. But if it's easy, it's something I'm surprised already doesn't exist. I suppose using the pager and whispering ICly forsakes convenience for the sake of Roleplay so maybe you're right @calink

this would barely be used and a useless addition to the game. devs can put in work on other things like making the drug system better or shi literally anything else on the big ass to do list they have factions have the risk of losing their 2nd property if they don't open it as new factions or old ones can have it and run it more often/efficiently, so your argument of it being good to use the property they dont use is retarded. like dope said, they spend crazy money and theres rules in place so members dont use the place for illegal shit. you can basically just put lockers in your property restricted with a code and do drug deals there and thats basically the equivalent of your suggestion. its retarded theres just 2 much of a risk and nobody will be using this if its added in, factions will just stick to using apartments

I do like the idea of dead drops, just not anything related to a factions properties. A actual dead drop shouldn't be connected to any side, like the stashes. This also allows cops to do stake outs on hot dead drops.

I think this is a terrible idea straight up. I like the idea of maybe stashes having an added purpose to double as a drop box but this, no. The idea of bringing illegal RP in the scale of crew deals into properties where almost every single faction has clear rules defining no criminal activity is to take place in them is silly. "This is an added risk that actually sets properties as valid targets, that *can* finally be seized for conduct, as currently its very rare that a property is seized." ^ There is a reason property seizure is rare, it's because HC puts rules in place to not do any stupid illegal shit inside their properties! It's not a bad thing that properties you paid a lot for aren't getting snatched by cops left and right. "Your properties at risk, but your men are safe. You can rebuild, maybe get the property back. Most factions have 2 properties, one they use and one they don't. The risk would be losing a property you're probably not even using." There is so many things wrong with just this sentence alone. What makes you think people aren't getting killed for getting a property seized?? Most factions pay at least 2 million for a second property. There any many reasons why you would want a second property like a 2nd hiring location, place to meet, events, etc. Saying "Well most people don't use those so might as well risk them being seized" is just . Maybe back when factions could own more than 2 properties, but in this era, no. I think the only people that would use this feature are newer factions who maybe don't have an apartment, which again, is not a good thing. Why would you risk 1 entire property, rather than 1 apartment room. To save some guys? In that case, only do 1 on 1 deals. tl;dr Not worth the risk of losing a property (potentially indefinitely). And if caught cops are swarming/seizing your "legal business" (with HC names likely tied to it), opposed to a shitty apartment room.

i'd love to see an acquirable car bomb-- but i think starting out it should be only craftable and able to be crafted by felons just to make ensure the market isn't flooded with them by every fac leader who wants to burn a gorillion dollars for a war fund of car bombs though one issue would be a car vanishing when a bomb is planted in it physical bombs would be interesting too but tougher to explain. perhaps they could be crafted/scaled for a more personal hand grenade size device all the way up to an explosive designed to attack businesses (should take up 4x4 slots or something as well as slow a person considerably) interesting idea: certain items could require an ID to purchase and felons could be unable to purchase some items required to craft bombs. if a person with a valid ID buys too many bomb ingredients in a short time span (days, possibly even weeks) they could be legally investigated by the police- and even a warrant issued. all of this would be aimed to make bomb-making and acquiring its components a high risk endeavor. tentative and soft +1. if done wrong this idea could be absolutely horrible and rightly shouldn't be something to become commonplace-- but in a world of crime explosives are a very real possibility and could prove to be an equalizer for smaller factions looking to make an impact

We'll look into this

My 2 cents WOOC doesn't really have a downside except maybe some weird in game metagaming shit, but people who'd do that would do it over Discord anyway And all of the counter points are valid and fine too There is the ingame pager, you can IC-ly whisper a pager username, many people have 'business card' binds, you can make your discord username not cringe and it'll fit right in If it takes 2 minutes to code why not just add it If it is a considerable effort - no ones roleplay is *actually* being affected enough to worry Moshi Moshi Omerta Sama Kun Nippon Japan moment

I’d be down for adding a car bomb that’s 100k in the sewers, but it should have a 30 second set up timer, it’d also have to make the car not respawn due to inactivity

You need to have pager contacts, no? I am talking about conveying information to unknown people near me. Why are you being so obtuse about this?

Use the in game pager system if you need to privately share things?

Kind of shocked you're not for it. This frees up the text box for RP and minimizes the spam of OOC that caused the global OOC to be taken away. LOOC having a WOOC (I titled the post OOCW but WOOC makes more sense due to the formatting of LOOC) means that much OOC banter/chat is tucked away on top of protecting certain OOC information you don't want shared with everyone around you. Maybe I don't want the guy in the next room to know that I'm leaving for work but I do want the guy next to me to. I know "Pager" is a big element and tie-in to the City but I figured encouraging people to stay locked-in and not constantly DM people on Discord to convey messages out of character.

Clearly, we have a fundamental disagreement with what should and shouldn't be openly shared in the middle of Roleplay. The entire point of this suggestion is so that we are not publicly sharing Pager information. The person's personal Discord is obviously included with that. Especially since text goes through walls/floors.

Oftentimes, in criminal enterprises, the actual selling of drugs is done through a system of dead drops. So, on the server, I think it'd be really cool to reflect that, and I have some fun twists to balance cops and criminals in this case. A dead drop, in the server, would just be a box that can be placed ONLY INSIDE of actual properties. Therefore, using the box would have direct risk of getting a property seized. There could be up to 3 dead drop boxes/lockers inside a property at once. These would be used by criminals to perform crew deals without having to meet up with eachother. This might seemed overpowered at first, so there's some things that would be used to balance the risk and reward of such a system. Firstly, the boxes/lockers should only be able to be accessed by the party who owns the box when it hits *capacity*. This would discourage use for every day drug deals - i.e. your average rumour trades of 5 or less. You could additionally restrict it to having to be 2 or more lockers filled before access is granted to the property owners. Secondly, the boxes could only be placed *inside* of properties. I.e. inside of your legal property, thats attached to one of your guys' names. If the property is raided for these dead drops, then all of the drugs inside would be attached to your properties. This is an added risk that actually sets properties as valid targets, that *can* finally be seized for conduct, as currently its very rare that a property is seized. Thirdly, restrict the boxes to only drugs. That way joe shmo can't fill it up with random items to hit capacity to let the property access it. Tactics for criminals: Obviously the risk would be high. However, there's a good reason to do it. You dont directly get caught if it goes to shit. Your properties at risk, but your men are safe. You can rebuild, maybe get the property back. Most factions have 2 properties, one they use and one they dont. The risk would be losing a property you're probably not even using. Additionally, you could restrict it with other factions to be only used by HC of other factions. So, if your doing a deal with Cassanos, have a capo+ deliver the product. They gather it on their side, and the associates who could be police dont know where it goes unless they do some actual detective work to implicate it. (i.e. follow them, gain access themselves, etc). Tactics for police: While it may be more difficult to get into crew deals, there's still possibilities to do so. Gaining access or information somehow of these dead drops and their usage. This would restrict their warrants to literally the time that the drop happens, reducing ability of associates to metagame or randomly "guess" that a crew deals going on in a room, causing a raid, because there's "a bunch of people in there". You could get into it somehow inside the criminal organization, you could track the movements of the person who receives all of the drugs, you could somehow get someone to snitch on it. Then, when you have evidence and a warrant, all you gotta do is raid it and get the boxes unlocked. Technicalities of the boxes: The boxes should only be accessible to take stuff out by the faction members of the faction. Additionally, a passcode would be on the box to restrict random associates from being able to see whats inside, like normal lockers. The boxes should be a "Put in only" system for non faction members. This, of course, would be monitored for powergame like normal. The aspect of powergame wouldn't change, because people are able to powergame with or without these boxes. There's no increased risk, and normal monitoring for powergame can occur. The boxes should be restricted to having stuff taken out only if the box is filled, and the person is a member of the faction and has the code The boxes should be restricted to 3-5 boxes per building *in addition to* the normal lockers/boxes that the properties currently have (or still restrict it to 5 total i dont care) The boxes should be restricted to specific kinds of items, as selected by the owning faction. i.e. drugs, guns or clothes

/looc "hey whats your discord"

P.S. I am not going to start complaining and making player reports in Discord or the Forums. Trying to do @ reports already gets me ignored and mocked for just trying to play legit. And I hate snitching. Hate gathering evidence. Hate the whole process. It's not why I'm here. My hopes are some of you will find that spark and log in for the sauce once again.

Can we please RP again? Cut it out with your "cousins" somehow "hearing" about the beef you have with people? Cut down the harassment and chalked up, fabricated reasons to beef. Can't some of you drum up enough creativity to at least justify the shit you start with people without having to lie, metagame, and social engineer by skirting the rules? Just making a plea for some of you to play in good faith and actually RP. There's a reason you came to the City and stayed. We can be diplomatic. We don't have to like each other or even hate each other OOCly to love and hate ICly. Just please, play your characters. I'm so sick of hearing brainrot memes, modern vernacular, and constantly being harassed over dumb shit. Even this right here, pleading for basic decency is going to catch me a ton of flak. I just know it. I'm an RP nerd. It's the only reason I'm here. That's the only reason anyone should need to want to be here or deserve to be here. I agree to follow the rules, which was implicit in my willingness to stay and play for as long as I have. What's the motivation for anything else if not just to troll and harass people to satisfy your egos? Enlighten me, since I'm such a dumbass apparently. tl;dr Hey guys, wanna maybe RP again when you log in the City? Thanks.

Explosives already exist. Extremely risky and extremely rare/near impossible to get your hands on. They only show up, from my experience, when conflicts heat up. They require Admin permission to even use, from my understanding. -1 because it already exists

Surprised this wasn't already baked in, but thinking and looking back- it definitely doesn't exist (yet). Big +1 Like Davis said, just good common sense and fair.

Buddy, you can 100% pick up unconscious bodies. What are you even saying? The speed still decreases for the killer who carries a body. He wants the same thing to happen for unconscious people, who can still be dragged like they always have been able to. Why do so many of you fucking retards knee jerk and say shit without thinking it through?

+1 great idea ngl

How exactly am I supposed to DM somebody that I don't know, on the fly, to convey something that's OOC (such as a DIscord invite)? Or explain that "Pager" means "Discord" without others seeing or having it clog up the text that has people RPing? Am I seriously crazy here or are you just doing the famous snarky gaslight and overlooking something you're not taking into consideration? Genuinely asking.

They are already in the server, just not in any rackets. not these types of bombs but they have land mines, lunge mines, rocket launchers, molotovs, etc.

+1 common sense