Joe King PK Appeal

[goobster]

Name of Character: Joe King

Character ID: Not sure how to view it he was PK'd

SteamID: 76561199465830317

Your Discord ID#: frogass

Date of PK: 6/6/26

Reason for PK: Staff believes we were metagaming during a mugging

Why should you be unPK'd? What server rule or PK rule was violated?: 
 

Me and Alotta "Nitrodubz" Fachina were Pk'd on the grounds that we meta-gamed during a mug. However, we have clips from multiple perspectives showing us only talking in game and clearly deafened in discord. There was 5 people involved in the mugging on our side. All of us were deafened. 

The clip from the mug starting shows that there's no OOC communication between any of us, even the people who were watching from other angles. 

The reason staff believes it was meta is because one of the victim's friends RDM'd us after the mug, and in the clip of the rdm, you can hear us in discord talking. This is true, because we had all recently died, we were no longer RPing, we were talking to each other about what happened and reviewing the clips of what just went down with the mug. I don't believe that should be considered meta, because it was all completely after the fact of RP. One of my homies was tabbed out and standing still at the atm. If just talking in the discord OOC with no RP implications is considered meta, then all VCs in faction servers should be considered meta. 

Also, the guy who interfered in the mug did not know the victim being mugged. I believe there is a rule that this is considered vigilantism and is not allowed. They must have the victim's F3 or be in the same faction at least to interfere. Here's a clip of the guy saying he didn't know any of those guys, and he is not in the same faction: https://medal.tv/games/garrys-mod/clips/mRl8udiHYTXhQiby0?invite=cr-MSxndW4sNjYyMTEyNTM 


The guy who RDM'd us was banned for a week for metagaming, but the victim of the mug, Terry Smith, was not banned even tho the staff that was helping us, Shyy, said he heard them in the call together thru Terry's mic. It was obvious metagame, but only one side was banned? Terry Smith walked away with nothing but he was metagaming as much as his buddy. 

If possible please provide video evidence or photo evidence if PK does not follow the guidelines:



Clip of mug, my perspective: https://drive.google.com/file/d/18cxHScQO7chyvfbuKWxn5JyaQNLje3Ab/view?usp=sharing

clip of mug, perspective 2 (you can hear him un-deafen after death): https://medal.tv/games/garrys-mod/clips/mRksZ0ds6KPeN7fj4?invite=cr-MSxvWm8sNjUyMDA3NTUy

Perspective 3 (idk why this codec makes the video black for me, regardless the audio is what's important. I can forward the clip on discord if needed): https://drive.google.com/file/d/1sUm3XMgr42iZkgScfApYW6obwLGEJ_ni/view?usp=sharing

Perspective 4 (I understand now this was a fail mug because of restraints and time to kill, all im arguing is it wasn't meta): https://medal.tv/games/garrys-mod/clips/mRkv5WBwCW3pwt7vX?invite=cr-MSw1MGwsNjYyMTEyNTM
 

Perspective 5: https://cdn.steamusercontent.com/ugc/17383767135989466122/146AAFCC2BBBB4BBF801BEF1081A59A4B5D333FF/

Clip of RDM after the mug: https://medal.tv/games/garrys-mod/clips/mRkIU2O89lt6FKT_h?invite=cr-MSx0NXQsNjYyMTEyNTM

Clip of RDM 2 (what was deemed metagaming): https://drive.google.com/file/d/1OkUwWpsm_xMGtbZEVmiR0MAXprhhB7GZ/view?usp=sharing
Note that in this clip this is completely after the fact and after roleplay, which is why we're undeafened. Just like any Faction VC in faction discords, we did nothing with the information we shared. All we did was make a ticket after the fact, nothing shared in this VC was used to give any advantage IC. 

Edited 3 hours ago by goobster
Clarifying last clip

[Toast]

Hi. I was the staff member who helped out with this situation. In your POV clip, all 3 of you approach at different angles, 1 is already on the scene and the other 2 (you and the old man) approach after with guns on safety. There's no communication between you guys, one guy initiates and you two just join in from across the street which already looks very suspicious in my eyes. In the 3rd clip there's a 4th guy that is just on the scene for some reason who appears to be on lookout? Not sure what he's looking for but okay. In the 5th clip there's a 5th guy who jumps down from the train tracks but there's still no radio communication. Then the 4th guy follows the 5th guy into the sewers after the shootout. 5 people involved in 1 mugging with each person appearing from a different area.

In the first RDM clip (the guy was punished for the multiple counts of RDM) you say "I just got killed" and then start speaking in game right afterwards. Then in the second RDM clip you're all talking in Discord and the guy in the clip mentions "yo I'm with the guy who just killed us" which was trimmed from the clip. I downloaded the full clip you sent @shy. Then some other person in your call says that they just got RDMed and someone else starts talking right after. The whole mugging situation seems very strange to me that 5 different people all appeared from multiple different places, no radio voice communication and no text chat over the radio? A lot of things aren't adding up. 

 

STEAM_0:0:505991498 - Alotta "Nitrodubz" Fachina - Mugging on Supreme Char (Not Main) - Note & Ban for Char Abuse & Item Transfer

STEAM_0:1:752782294 - Joe "Lil J" King - Mugging on Supreme Char (Not Main)

STEAM_0:0:153504027 - La'Jerakiss "Demon" Jackson - Mugging on Supreme Char (Not Main)

STEAM_0:1:814795283 - Pierre Hinge - Mugging on Supreme Char (Not Main)

STEAM_0:0:47756119 - Oblokyon Switchton - Mugging on Supreme Char (Not Main)

Seems like a case of mugging characters trying to hit a lick and not following the rules.

 

Edited 1 hour ago by Toast