Milena PK Appeal

[Nebula]

Name of Character: Milena "Minnie" Sarano

Character ID: (Uh not too sure how to find that now lol)

SteamID: 76561198799262777 

Your Discord ID#: Nebula_Proxima

Date of PK: 4/27/26

Reason for PK: Breaking FearRP somehow lol

Why should you be unPK'd? What server rule or PK rule was violated?: Well i ended up in a police chase by vehicle and it turned into a foot chase. I had the idea to jump into the water and swim away at docks to avoid them. but instead of being followed or surrounded by other cops. i was tazed in the water. now i do understand if i am threat i should be tazed but usually tazers and water dont work together lmao. once i was finally tazed while swimming i wasnt able to move, and this happened to be as im coming up for air. in the video you can clearly see me attempt to do that. but the officer tazing me caused me to drown. i do think this is a bit confusing. because irl police wouldnt taze someone swimming away. or in water let alone. i just think if there was a procedure or things to possibly do maybe things like this could be prevented. and it would be less confusing in general to dictate this as fear rp or not. then again i had no intention of drowning myself on purpose again the video shows this. I also cannot seem to find anything relating the water as a pk possible thing in the rules. this is perfectly normal and possible also. a good amount of police chases on foot do end up in water if its nearby. the idea of complete freedom in a body of water makes it seem like a quick escape. humans naturally go to this. the admins stated that i may have "possibly" broke fear rp. and a further opinion was called for. the idea of running away, swimming away. and even trying to stay above water was a good indicator i cared for my life. thanks for reading this. 

If possible please provide video evidence or photo evidence if PK does not follow the guidelines:

the clip is too big heres a link. https://medal.tv/games/garrys-mod/clips/mB6cHuhDSjrCqCcqm?invite=cr-MSw4SmIsNTI2NDI2MTM&v=60

[Jason Frudnick]

I think this happened to DopeAsRoe once and it got accepted, although I will say that was probably because he made it clear to the cops that he was trying to comply and they just didn't let him go back up for air because they wanted to PK him

Edited Monday at 11:23 PM by Jason Frudnick

[Nebula]

1 hour ago, Jason Frudnick said:

I think this happened to DopeAsRoe once and it got accepted, although I will say that was probably because he made it clear to the cops that he was trying to comply and they just didn't let him go back up for air because they wanted to PK him

so you are saying his pk was one sided then?.. thats not worrying at all lol. i dont think cops should just feel like they can kill someone whenever they have an excuse. it seems they have more say in terms of that decision. which i think fuels ego. its especially concerning if that decision was made while being forced to do something.  also scary.

[Gr1mmy]

Hello, Pking Admin here.

You were Pked as you died during pursuit, There are risks when jumping into the water. 

■ Breaking FearRP or showing disregard for your own life which results in death; this means if you kill yourself in an attempt to avoid an arrest or mugging, intentionally drowning or falling to your death to avoid detainment, or even having a friend or faction member kill you while you are detained are all considered a 'disregard for your own life' and can lead to a PK.

As can be read above, Showing Disregard for your own life which results in death, When jumping into the water you are risking both your life and escape from pursuit, in this example you swam to the bottom and only came up for air near death, leading to your PK.

For this PK Specifically i wasn't 100% Until i asked for another member of administration, to get a Second opinion on the situation, leading to my final verdict.

[Nebula]

45 minutes ago, Gr1mmy said:

Hello, Pking Admin here.

You were Pked as you died during pursuit, There are risks when jumping into the water. 

■ Breaking FearRP or showing disregard for your own life which results in death; this means if you kill yourself in an attempt to avoid an arrest or mugging, intentionally drowning or falling to your death to avoid detainment, or even having a friend or faction member kill you while you are detained are all considered a 'disregard for your own life' and can lead to a PK.

As can be read above, Showing Disregard for your own life which results in death, When jumping into the water you are risking both your life and escape from pursuit, in this example you swam to the bottom and only came up for air near death, leading to your PK.

For this PK Specifically i wasn't 100% Until i asked for another member of administration, to get a Second opinion on the situation, leading to my final verdict.

yeah so i understand that, but again i didnt do this on purpose wanting to die. and again, i died only due to being tazed. speaking of which. why do tazers even work under water? can u use a tazer while swimming? why am i being punished for something i cant avoid? its also confusing. saying i dont have a respect for my life because i went into water doesnt make any sense. if this is the case. why dont you make this a notice somewhere? maybe in the rules? maybe as a warning? also what is the most realistic case of me even being tazed in water. (if that were to make sense) maybe by chance going unconscious  and allowing the cop to bring me to safety? no i just die right? and please dont say i was pked while i died in pursuit i didnt attack the officer and to be clear technically the officer killed me. but thats not the concern apparently huh lol. imagine if a lifeguard on duty at a beach chased someone for going too far out, and instead of helping them back to shore. they just said u know what ill drown them. i dont want to deal with all that effort. who would be at fault? 

[Nebula]

1 hour ago, Gr1mmy said:

As can be read above, Showing Disregard for your own life which results in death, When jumping into the water you are risking both your life and escape from pursuit, in this example you swam to the bottom and only came up for air near death, leading to your PK.

For this PK Specifically i wasn't 100% Until i asked for another member of administration, to get a Second opinion on the situation, leading to my final verdict.

ok so now you are saying i came up for air leading to my pk. which means you understand i had value for my life? 

[Gr1mmy]

14 hours ago, Nebula said:

yeah so i understand that, but again i didnt do this on purpose wanting to die. and again, i died only due to being tazed. speaking of which. why do tazers even work under water? can u use a tazer while swimming? why am i being punished for something i cant avoid? its also confusing. saying i dont have a respect for my life because i went into water doesnt make any sense. if this is the case. why dont you make this a notice somewhere? maybe in the rules? maybe as a warning? also what is the most realistic case of me even being tazed in water. (if that were to make sense) maybe by chance going unconscious  and allowing the cop to bring me to safety? no i just die right? and please dont say i was pked while i died in pursuit i didnt attack the officer and to be clear technically the officer killed me. but thats not the concern apparently huh lol. imagine if a lifeguard on duty at a beach chased someone for going too far out, and instead of helping them back to shore. they just said u know what ill drown them. i dont want to deal with all that effort. who would be at fault? 

Ive seen plenty of instances of people escaping pd in the water, you're the first example I've seen of someone walking along the bottom of the ocean, let that sink in for a moment..

 

Aside from that, you died during pursuit due to drowning. Tasers work in the water because it's a videogame, and there's no other way of PD possibly detaining you in the ocean, which is a risk you take when you.. jump into the ocean.

 

UA will have final verdict on the matter, I hope for future reference you keep this in the back of your mind. Swimming to escape is one thing, diving to the bottom of the sea and saying you're escaping is another

Edited Tuesday at 05:44 PM by Gr1mmy

[Orsini]

I can't lie just by looking at the clip it looks like you were intentionally swimming deep down in the water did you expect not to drown?

[Nebula]

2 hours ago, Orsini said:

I can't lie just by looking at the clip it looks like you were intentionally swimming deep down in the water did you expect not to drown?

i would not have tried to swim to the surface and make a forum account, type a post out, find the clip. and even recorded it to begin with if i intended to purposely drown myself. i dont think arguing over video makes any sense tbh. its the best form of evidence. and i think not being able to fully surface because im being tazed isnt entirely even fair in a RP sense aswell. and making the statement i "shouldve just figured" isnt really helpful when nothing is stated about it in the rules. also considering the the final decision wasnt even fully made. somone else without any knowledge and only a short time to process it provided it after the original admin. i feel conflicted is all.

[Gr1mmy]

I already deemed your death as a PK before the input of the other admin, I called for a second opinion. Gave your POV and the Cop POV and he came to the same conclusion as I did leading to your finalised PK, I hope this helps.

[Nebula]

2 hours ago, Orsini said:

I can't lie just by looking at the clip it looks like you were intentionally swimming deep down in the water did you expect not to drown?

i would not have tried to swim to the surface and make a forum account, type a post out, find the clip. and even recorded it to begin with if i intended to purposely drown myself. i dont think arguing over video makes any sense tbh. its the best form of evidence. and i think not being able to fully surface because im being tazed isnt entirely even fair in a RP sense aswell. and making the statement i "shouldve just figured" isnt really helpful when nothing is stated about it in the rules. also considering the the final decision wasnt even fully made. somone else without any knowledge and only a short time to process it provided it after the original admin. i

 

8 hours ago, Gr1mmy said:

Ive seen plenty of instances of people escaping pd in the water, you're the first example I've seen of someone walking along the bottom of the ocean, let that sink in for a moment..

 

Aside from that, you died during pursuit due to drowning. Tasers work in the water because it's a videogame, and there's no other way of PD possibly detaining you in the ocean, which is a risk you take when you.. jump into the ocean.

 

UA will have final verdict on the matter, I hope for future reference you keep this in the back of your mind. Swimming to escape is one thing, diving to the bottom of the sea and saying you're escaping is another

u think if i wanted to drown i wouldve stayed at the bottom?

[Nebula]

4 minutes ago, Gr1mmy said:

I already deemed your death as a PK before the input of the other admin, I called for a second opinion. Gave your POV and the Cop POV and he came to the same conclusion as I did leading to your finalised PK, I hope this helps.

i like how i can be chased and essentially killed at any time by a cop when i wasnt a threat. 

[Orsini]

12 hours ago, Nebula said:

i would not have tried to swim to the surface and make a forum account, type a post out, find the clip. and even recorded it to begin with if i intended to purposely drown myself. i dont think arguing over video makes any sense tbh. its the best form of evidence. and i think not being able to fully surface because im being tazed isnt entirely even fair in a RP sense aswell. and making the statement i "shouldve just figured" isnt really helpful when nothing is stated about it in the rules. also considering the the final decision wasnt even fully made. somone else without any knowledge and only a short time to process it provided it after the original admin. i

 

u think if i wanted to drown i wouldve stayed at the bottom?

You literally had the stamina to go and swim at the top so you can breathe. It's your own fault, you were swimming at the bottom and you didn't even try to go to the top (only when you noticed that you were gonna drown) he missed like 20 tasers before tasing you. For example when this happens to me I just swim at the top and even when they tase me I know I cannot drown because I keep coming back at the top so I can breathe. Next time make sure you do that. Good Luck on your Appeal

Edited yesterday at 02:03 PM by Orsini

[Byte]

Hello!

As already explained by the PK'ing admin, you were PK'd for not valuing your life in an RP scenario which lead to your death. 

While you may try and argue you didn't intend to drown yourself, everything else points to this is the direct consequence of your actions.  You got into a pursuit. You jumped in the water to try and flee, you decided to go far under water. You put yourself in a scenario to drown and die.

Swimming is a very common and known thing people do to try and avoid cops. You can't be easily cuffed, tased, interacted with any way. If they do manage to tase you, you sink. If they manage to cuff you, good luck getting you to actually be draggable.

You attempted to partake in the same behavior and it backfired.

Your appeal has been reviewed and denied.

We have determined this PK to be reasonable and/or justified.

You may not re-appeal this PK.

Edited 1 hour ago by Byte