Motorhead's PK appeal

[Gamer0600392]

Name of Character: Wyatt "Motorhead" Taylor

Character ID: N/A

SteamID: 749501079

Your Discord ID#: Gamer0600392

Date of PK: 03/07/2026

Reason for PK: Ran from mug

Why should you be unPK'd? What server rule or PK rule was violated?:

 

Staff Pk'd me despite the fact I met multiple guidelines and the char who killed me was not pushing for a PK. Staff initiated a pk over self report. I'm begging and pleading that my char is returned as the guy who mugged me was banned previously for having a mug char. It does not feel fair that a char of 10 weeks and middle faction management be thrown away for nothing.  It doesn't make sense from multiple points.    

1. Staff initiates Pk on behalf of someone who did not request it

2. Staff awards the mug/minge char that is less than 10 days old and has previously been warned about mugging

3. The PK is initialed off of a fail mug over the fact the mugger was saying drop 5k or die

4. It's so hard to do pk's an regulate the constant mug minges but it's impossible to go it the real way and contribute honest roleplay only to be killed by a minge. Make it make sense bro. Why can muggers just kill but we can't kill muggers. 

5. I did not have 5k even if I had gone along with the attempt It would have been impossible to meet demands and still would have been killed.

6. In the mugging attempt I was able to get out of sight of the individual and in 2 separate green zones have a firearm and reach the safety of more than one  known friend  and be in front of 2 Separate NPCs and an ATM. At what point does a mugging cease to be an an active mugging? I don't think it is valid at that point.

7. I have multiple sources informing me that if you reach a point where the individual breaks the line of site.  It is no longer considered a valid mugging scenarios

8. Mugging chars and minges should not generally be used for PK's char mug character are a large problem on the server continually getting worse trading a middle faction character for a char that will likely be dead in a day or two seems genuinely unfair. 

8. My character has been alive and fully dedicated to the faction in have been since my start in January over 8 real life days of character time. I have worked continually to follow rules and regulations and expanded relations between factions to thrown in the garbage of a fail mug deemed Pkable.

9. TLDR: killed by char mugger previously banned less than 10 days old for committing a fail mug pk was initialed by staff not by player

I am on my hands and knees begging and pleading to the point of near tears for a second opportunity and if given such I promise to read to rules and abide by them. This is my first ever char and char death. I am willing to say what was done by me was wrong but am willing to make anything right if given a second chance. Please give a single opportunity to do right and I shall not fail.

If possible please provide video evidence or photo evidence if PK does not follow the guidelines:

https://medal.tv/games/garrys-mod/clips/mg5MjyA72Cm-v0biz?invite=cr-MSw3alosNTE5NDAxNjA4&v=300

[Eviddy]

He Tried to mug me and failed 2 hours after this obvious mugging char 

https://medal.tv/games/garrys-mod/clips/mg7HADGaYWM_6NqFx?invite=cr-MSxoVWwsMTAyODIyNTY0&v=13

Edited 8 hours ago by Eviddy

[Gamer0600392]

Thank you for the input

This further confirms that he was a mug/minge char.

Very unfortunate that these are so prevalent

 

[TMH]

Clear mugging char here. Surprised The PKing admin did not do research here.

[Tony valtieri]

we need motorhead back this is a bullshit pk they should only be pked if the mugger makes a ticket this is literally bullshit 

[GlamourPunk]

+1 Mugger didnt make a ticket cause he knows that he wouldve been caught for mugging char

also 5k or die???? tf is this fivem???

100% mugging char

[Winchester]

Hello

In this instance I was the admin responsible for issuing the PK on your character.

The reason for this PK is that the individual who initiated the mugging did so in a valid mugging zone, away from any potential witnesses.

They proceeded to demand a reasonable amount of cash and instructed you to put your hands up. You did not comply with any of these commands. Additionally, you attempted to run despite being aware that doing so could put your character´s life at risk in an effort to avoid the mugging. As a result, the other guy shot you, which led to your char´s death. 

You were given ample time to comply with the demands but chose not to do so.

I will leave the final decision to another staff member who reviews this PK.

Edited 7 hours ago by Winchester

[Gamer0600392]

i do not direct hatred towards staff it seems an honest mistak

1 hour ago, TMH said:

Clear mugging char here. Surprised The PKing admin did not do research here.

 

[Gamer0600392]

39 minutes ago, Tony valtieri said:

we need motorhead back this is a bullshit pk they should only be pked if the mugger makes a ticket this is literally bullshit 

I would agree with this sentiment. 

[Gamer0600392]

25 minutes ago, GlamourPunk said:

+1 Mugger didnt make a ticket cause he knows that he wouldve been caught for mugging char

also 5k or die???? tf is this fivem???

100% mugging char

We should not have a system that award mugging minge chars and demotes honest roleplayers

[TMH]

19 minutes ago, Winchester said:

Hello

In this instance I was the admin responsible for issuing the PK on your character.

The reason for this PK is that the individual who initiated the mugging did so in a valid mugging zone, away from any potential witnesses.

They proceeded to demand a reasonable amount of cash and instructed you to put your hands up. You did not comply with any of these commands. Additionally, you attempted to run despite being aware that doing so could put your character´s life at risk in an effort to avoid the mugging. As a result, the other guy shot you, which led to your char´s death. 

You were given ample time to comply with the demands but chose not to do so.

I will leave the final decision to another staff member who reviews this PK.

I think the whole point here is the guy is a mugging char and thats glanced past.

[Gamer0600392]

11 minutes ago, Winchester said:

Hello

In this instance I was the admin responsible for issuing the PK on your character.

The reason for this PK is that the individual who initiated the mugging did so in a valid mugging zone, away from any potential witnesses.

They proceeded to demand a reasonable amount of cash and instructed you to put your hands up. You did not comply with any of these commands. Additionally, you attempted to run despite being aware that doing so could put your character´s life at risk in an effort to avoid the mugging. As a result, the other guy shot you, which led to your char´s death. 

You were given ample time to comply with the demands but chose not to do so.

I will leave the final decision to another staff member who reviews this PK.

I was not aware of these thing and did not have the adequate means to appeal to his request. Additionally this would indicate you were well aware that the situation was fail mug but prosecuted my characters death through a clear rule break.  I believe that would be grounds for a mistrial in it's own right with due respect. This means that going ahead with this pk would not only be actively awarding minging and mugging but additionally sponsoring a clear rule break committed by said individual to justify said PK. With all do respect that alone should invalidate my PK and would indicate we are rewarding criminals while punish rule abiders. Again with doe respect I have received a lot of feedback from individual stating that staff does not do enough to punish mugging on the server and recent spikes on the server have been annoying many long time role player. I am not discrediting staff or their duties with this statement it feels as though we may be Appling a beating to the wrong dog in this scenario. 

[Gamer0600392]

3 minutes ago, TMH said:

I think the whole point here is the guy is a mugging char and thats glanced past.

I would somewhat agree with this statement. With genuine respect it almost feels as though it invalidates the entire premise. Mugging is something that would generally be done with the goal of faction disrespect or personal grudges . Mugging as a career path in any notion is not a violable path as a line of work and should not generally be promoted without a valid rationale. We have to ask ourselves is it reasonable to destroy a long time players entire character arc for the sake of one individual who plays the server for less than 10 days and gets himself banned to consistant rule breaking that has already resulted in a lengthy ban. Especially when that individual did not even request my Pk.

[Gamer0600392]

29 minutes ago, Winchester said:

Hello

In this instance I was the admin responsible for issuing the PK on your character.

The reason for this PK is that the individual who initiated the mugging did so in a valid mugging zone, away from any potential witnesses.

They proceeded to demand a reasonable amount of cash and instructed you to put your hands up. You did not comply with any of these commands. Additionally, you attempted to run despite being aware that doing so could put your character´s life at risk in an effort to avoid the mugging. As a result, the other guy shot you, which led to your char´s death. 

You were given ample time to comply with the demands but chose not to do so.

I will leave the final decision to another staff member who reviews this PK.

Additionally with respect again said mugger did not request a PK. you chose to peruse a PK of your own will and accord be cause another admin provided you a video regarding a separate situation. I have been informed that typically admins are discouraged from involving themselves within subject or shared material that does occur between that direct admin and user. No discredit is being given to you neither are acusations but if it is a PK of your own accord and not the admin that took my ticket or the person who shot my character, is that even allowed to be brought to you and sanctioned by you?

[Gamer0600392]

I would like to additionally point out. We currently have over a 15 people a few of which are not even a part of my faction stating my char is effectively important enough to be kept alive. One admin is saying "It MIGHT be valid" do to "zoning". I feel as though given the fact that we are a democracy it is fair to note that my return is a point of popular demand, with respect I would note a popular phrase: "Give the people what they want."

[bernie gernie]

I literally read nothing on this post at all, but motorhead is the nicest guy to touch diverge

 

+100

[ASkull]

15 minutes ago, bernie gernie said:

I literally read nothing on this post at all, but motorhead is the nicest guy to touch diverge

 

+100

whos also alting

[Yoon]

2 hours ago, Winchester said:

Hello

In this instance I was the admin responsible for issuing the PK on your character.

The reason for this PK is that the individual who initiated the mugging did so in a valid mugging zone, away from any potential witnesses.

They proceeded to demand a reasonable amount of cash and instructed you to put your hands up. You did not comply with any of these commands. Additionally, you attempted to run despite being aware that doing so could put your character´s life at risk in an effort to avoid the mugging. As a result, the other guy shot you, which led to your char´s death. 

You were given ample time to comply with the demands but chose not to do so.

I will leave the final decision to another staff member who reviews this PK.

You can't mug for cash

[Gamer0600392]

44 minutes ago, bernie gernie said:

I literally read nothing on this post at all, but motorhead is the nicest guy to touch diverge

 

+100

I appreciate that. It means a lot.

[Gamer0600392]

30 minutes ago, ASkull said:

whos also alting

I'm alting?

[Gamer0600392]

4 minutes ago, Yoon said:

You can't mug for cash

That's what I'm saying.

[Gr1mmy]

Hello, sorry for my delay in input, I'm one of the staff members who discussed your PK with Winchester before it occured, while you cannot forcibly mug for money there is no rule prohibiting the asking of money, the mugging rules specifically state the following.

7. You may only kill the victim if they DO NOT comply with your demands. Victims that comply are to be left unharmed. 

9. There are several ways you may initiate a mugging, the following actions can be considered initiation of a mugging

- Holding someone at gunpoint with the intention of mugging them

- Holding someone at gunpoint and ordering them to drop cash / items

10. When can you kill someone in a mugging for it to be considered a PK?

- You must FIRST, properly initiate a mugging (See Mugging Rule 9.) (Mentioned above)

- They attempt to flee while you have them at gunpoint/fear rp. (Does not apply if you disengage fear rp. See fear rp rules)

 

In terms of your situation, You were being mugged. And chose to run away, where you were then killed. This would fall under the circumstances of Breaking "FearRP" during a mugging and paying the price for such an act. Which happens regularly on the server if an individual has an insufficient grasp on the rules as mentioned.

 

FearRp Rules mentioned will be listed here

 

1. While under fearrp it's recommended you oblige by the commands of your captor, if you attempt to escape or pull out a weapon to fight back but are killed that would display a disregard for your own safety, a calculated risk you took which failed, resulting in your PK. (In some circumstances a PK does not apply, view pk rules for more information.) This means it is NOT a rule violation to break fearrp but if you are killed while breaking it there is a possible IC consequence of being PK'ed.

3. If you're holding someone under Fear RP and issue them orders/warnings not to do something and they disobey you may kill them. However, one single warning/order will not suffice, multiple warnings in a very short time span will also not suffice, you have to give them adequate time to react.

As far as I'm concerned. And as I stated to Winchester during the discussion, When it comes down to the rulings on the matter I believe this situation calls for a PK, While I am not an administrator, judging from the circumstances I believe anyone else would've been killed in the same situation as you when running from an armed mugger and expecting not to be killed.

 

Again, my apologies on the delay. And I'm only giving my input as I was directly involved

[Gamer0600392]

21 minutes ago, Gr1mmy said:

Hello, sorry for my delay in input, I'm one of the staff members who discussed your PK with Winchester before it occured, while you cannot forcibly mug for money there is no rule prohibiting the asking of money, the mugging rules specifically state the following.

7. You may only kill the victim if they DO NOT comply with your demands. Victims that comply are to be left unharmed. 

9. There are several ways you may initiate a mugging, the following actions can be considered initiation of a mugging

- Holding someone at gunpoint with the intention of mugging them

- Holding someone at gunpoint and ordering them to drop cash / items

10. When can you kill someone in a mugging for it to be considered a PK?

- You must FIRST, properly initiate a mugging (See Mugging Rule 9.) (Mentioned above)

- They attempt to flee while you have them at gunpoint/fear rp. (Does not apply if you disengage fear rp. See fear rp rules)

 

In terms of your situation, You were being mugged. And chose to run away, where you were then killed. This would fall under the circumstances of Breaking "FearRP" during a mugging and paying the price for such an act. Which happens regularly on the server if an individual has an insufficient grasp on the rules as mentioned.

 

FearRp Rules mentioned will be listed here

 

1. While under fearrp it's recommended you oblige by the commands of your captor, if you attempt to escape or pull out a weapon to fight back but are killed that would display a disregard for your own safety, a calculated risk you took which failed, resulting in your PK. (In some circumstances a PK does not apply, view pk rules for more information.) This means it is NOT a rule violation to break fearrp but if you are killed while breaking it there is a possible IC consequence of being PK'ed.

3. If you're holding someone under Fear RP and issue them orders/warnings not to do something and they disobey you may kill them. However, one single warning/order will not suffice, multiple warnings in a very short time span will also not suffice, you have to give them adequate time to react.

As far as I'm concerned. And as I stated to Winchester during the discussion, When it comes down to the rulings on the matter I believe this situation calls for a PK, While I am not an administrator, judging from the circumstances I believe anyone else would've been killed in the same situation as you when running from an armed mugger and expecting not to be killed.

 

Again, my apologies on the delay. And I'm only giving my input as I was directly involved

 That is true and if given a second chance I swear I will have a better understanding of the rules. I am begging and pleading on my hands and knees for a second chance. I will never do such a thing ever again. Honest I am begging and pleading for that opportunity. If I am given it Rules will be carefully reviewed. I will. I swear. Honest. Please just give me that chance.

[Gr1mmy]

9 minutes ago, Gamer0600392 said:

 That is true and if given a second chance I swear I will have a better understanding of the rules. I am begging and pleading on my hands and knees for a second chance. I will never do such a thing ever again. Honest I am begging and pleading for that opportunity. If I am given it Rules will be carefully reviewed. I will. I swear. Honest. Please just give me that chance.

Whilst I know this may seem rude, I mean no disrespect

Your pleading and begging for an unpk will not change the final verdict, it doesn't matter.

Most people do not receive a 'Second Chance' Especially not those who willingly run from a mugging. You were given the rules since the moment you joined the server such as everyone else, and it's clear you're familiar with the forums, meaning you've had since you joined, the time to familiarise yourself with them or "Review" them as mentioned

As it stands a higher ranking member of staff will view this forum thread, and will make the final verdict. In my opinion I like you as a person, but that does not change the fact of the matter. I do not see this as a non valid PK.

My opinion on the matter is that the PK occured as the reaction to your actions, and running away from a mugger should lead to your death, as it would in any other situation with anyone else.

[Gamer0600392]

15 minutes ago, Gr1mmy said:

Whilst I know this may seem rude, I mean no disrespect

Your pleading and begging for an unpk will not change the final verdict, it doesn't matter.

Most people do not receive a 'Second Chance' Especially not those who willingly run from a mugging. You were given the rules since the moment you joined the server such as everyone else, and it's clear you're familiar with the forums, meaning you've had since you joined, the time to familiarise yourself with them or "Review" them as mentioned

As it stands a higher ranking member of staff will view this forum thread, and will make the final verdict. In my opinion I like you as a person, but that does not change the fact of the matter. I do not see this as a non valid PK.

My opinion on the matter is that the PK occured as the reaction to your actions, and running away from a mugger should lead to your death, as it would in any other situation with anyone else.

Please bro I'm begging. I'm pleading. My character has been the last 12 weekends of my life. I'm begging you, man. Please have a heart.