remove the tab menu (hot take?)

[Davis]

the biggest source of non actionable meta gaming in garrysmod mafia roleplay is the tab menu (FACT). I understand the implications of removing it from non staff characters but i believe the benefits ultimately outweigh the negatives. To check on your specific org instead of the regular tab menu on the business tab of your f1 menu shows the tab menu of just your faction (PD, Crim, civ, etc). thanks for reading.

[Kewl]

discord is a pretty big source of metagame also I think we should get rid of it also nobody should have discord

[Bookie]

Just now, Kewl said:

discord is a pretty big source of metagame also I think we should get rid of it also nobody should have discord

so we are stealing my jokes

[Kewl]

Just now, Bookie said:

so we are stealing my jokes

that was my joke actually

-Lieutenant Alexander Price, Division Overseer of the Bureau of Internal Affairs of the 29th Precinct of the New York Police Department of Southside of Diverge

[Bookie]

Just now, Kewl said:

that was my joke actually

-Lieutenant Alexander Price, Division Overseer of the Bureau of Internal Affairs of the 29th Precinct of the New York Police Department of Southside of Diverge

Mate cut it out 

-Sergeant Lorenzo Gallo, Member of Special Investigations of the Detectives Bureau of the 29th Precinct of the New York Police Department of Southside of Diverge

[Kewl]

2 minutes ago, Bookie said:

Mate cut it out 

-Sergeant Lorenzo Gallo, Member of Special Investigations of the Detectives Bureau of the 29th Precinct of the New York Police Department of Southside of Diverge

ok sorry Sergeant Lorenzo Gallo, Member of Special Investigations of the Detectives Bureau of the 29th Precinct of the New York Police Department of Southside of Diverge
-Lieutenant Alexander Price, Division Overseer of the Bureau of Internal Affairs of the 29th Precinct of the New York Police Department of Southside of Diverge

[Davis]

notice how the police force is fuming at this suggestion

[Baker]

12 minutes ago, Kewl said:

discord is a pretty big source of metagame also I think we should get rid of it also nobody should have discord

you're stupid. happy 2026

[Tsum_Mini1]

10 hours ago, Baker said:

you're stupid. happy 2026

you're a retard 

- Corporal Jake Smith Corruption Division Agent of the Bureau of Internal Affairs of the 29th Precinct of the New York Police Department of Southside of Diverge

[bigwillyhumper69]

Actually a good suggestion please implement this  

[Kewl]

21 hours ago, Davis said:

notice how the police force is fuming at this suggestion

notice how the people trying to control the narrative by maliciously interpreting incorrect emotional intent behind messages continuously conceal their affiliation??? this is how you know a suggestion was made with horrific design.

Reject the propaganda, observe the truth.

- Lieutenant Alexander Price, Division Overseer of the Bureau of Internal Affairs of the 29th Precinct of the New York Police Department of Southside of Diverge

[TroubledGhost]

im ngl i thought of suggesting something like this and i'd +1 it only if there was an appropriate solution... Out right removal? I'd disagree.. Perhaps it's as simple as removing the number "of players in that faction thats next to each factions name (except civs?).

In the end.. if the concern is "once someone has your name and they can see which faction you're in" - i dont think that's too much of an issue because:

1. they cannot do anything ICly cos metagame.

2. Leads you to be more attentive and cautious with whom you give your name out to.

3. Adds to the consequences of your actions taken in the long run (friends today but enemies tomorrow or vice verca)

if there's a way around it without removing it, would be more ideal. In the end people could always use the bot or console to check who is online, speculate which character they're on and make assumptions.

[handsome]

On 1/2/2026 at 5:19 PM, Kewl said:

that was my joke actually

-Lieutenant Alexander Price, Division Overseer of the Bureau of Internal Affairs of the 29th Precinct of the New York Police Department of Southside of Diverge

loool good joke

[handsome]

people should not break rules just like ban everyone who  does  -1

[Davis]

7 hours ago, TroubledGhost said:

 

In the end.. if the concern is "once someone has your name and they can see which faction you're in" - i dont think that's too much of an issue because:

 

It's a fundamental issue with how the game works.
 

 

7 hours ago, TroubledGhost said:

 

1. they cannot do anything ICly cos metagame.

 

They can't outright act on it but if someone is wanted and they have their f3 they know which properties to look at and good luck convincing staff that's outright meta game

7 hours ago, TroubledGhost said:

 

2. Leads you to be more attentive and cautious with whom you give your name out to.

 

Giving out your name shouldn't result in giving out which faction you are a part of.

7 hours ago, TroubledGhost said:

3. Adds to the consequences of your actions taken in the long run (friends today but enemies tomorrow or vice verca)

This applies with or without my suggestion just without it being they know which faction you are a part of via tab menu instead of in rp.

[Davis]

7 hours ago, handsome said:

people should not break rules just like ban everyone who  does  -1

issue is it's next to impossible to prove or determine they are breaking meta game rules when using the tab menu IE I know this person is in the city because I checked my tab menu

[TroubledGhost]

4 hours ago, Davis said:

It's a fundamental issue with how the game works.
 

 

They can't outright act on it but if someone is wanted and they have their f3 they know which properties to look at and good luck convincing staff that's outright meta game

Giving out your name shouldn't result in giving out which faction you are a part of.

This applies with or without my suggestion just without it being they know which faction you are a part of via tab menu instead of in rp.

No, you're absolutely right - metagaming is an inherent issue that cannot really be fixed and relies on an honour system which is often abused. 

 

And by me saying "if there's a way around it without removing it" - removing faction name and number count I think would be the main thing and I agree to it; but the new tab replacement should have to be well designed but how is the question lol cos it'l just be a huge mess of like 115 players all under one tab (except cops) -

 

but... thinking about it, playing the game with a "fog of war" type thing (no tab menu) might be interesting and more immersive.

Edited 45 minutes ago by TroubledGhost