PK Appeal

[Cookie Baker]

Name of Character: Jean Sirius

SteamID: STEAM_0:0:65488

Your Discord ID#: _codda

Date of PK: 7/21/2025

Reason for PK: FearRP

Why should you be unPK'd? What server rule or PK rule was violated?: I was not given enough time to react to the actual FearRP; 

https://medal.tv/games/garrys-mod/clips/kJUwk8LXplbQb2duk?invite=cr-MSx0bngsMjMzMDgyMDg (Opposing party clip

YES, I did pull out my weapon, but that's because I heard the gun get pulled out before he started speaking. On my end, I heard about 1-2 seconds of him talking at most before he started to shoot. This is proven in my clip.

If possible please provide video evidence or photo evidence if PK does not follow the guidelines: 

 I wasn't even aware before I pulled out my weapon, this was a reflex move. I did not take it off of safety either.

Affirmatively rulewise, this is not a valid PK for the following reasons:

1. He initiated the mugging in front of a witness, the person I was speaking to in the beginning of my clip.

2. He did not give me the 5 seconds of reaction time minimum.

3. I, physically did not make any move to kill him, I was highly confused about what was going on and I could not comply in time due to a very obvious ping disparity. Even on his end, he didn't give me enough time to react.

4. He did not make it clear that he was mugging me, as is required here, from the PK guidelines in the mugging/robbery section:

There are other instances where killing someone during a mugging will not result in a PK. 
- Such as not giving the person reasonable time to react to your demands  - Failed to do this on even his end without the lag disparity.
- Ordering them to use certain game functions they don't have to comply with or making unreasonable demands (Drop items/cash, hit f7, give me your f3, commit suicide, etc)
- If you disengage fear rp and they attempt to flee or fight back
- You fail to specify that they are being mugged/fail to properly initiate a mugging - Failed to do this, period.
- A fail mug location or mass mugging

[Dr. Hax]

Hello, PKing admin here. I received 2 different clips on this situation that show him running up to you with a mask and telling you repeatedly to not move in an area where mugs can be initiated, this is intent to mug. Yes, it all happened very fast as I told you before, but you were quick enough to draw a gun in a situation where you shouldn’t have. If you had managed to kill the perp in the situation you’d have him pked as well.

Initiation:

- Holding someone at gunpoint with the intention of mugging them

- Holding someone at gunpoint or cornering them while wearing a mask which obscures your identity may also be a valid indication to the victim that you intend to mug them

When can you kill someone during a mugging?

- They attempt to fight back while you have them at gunpoint/fear rp. 

Conclusion:

While under fearrp it's recommended you oblige by the commands of your captor, if you attempt to escape or pull out a weapon to fight back but are killed that would display a disregard for your own safety, a calculated risk you took which failed, resulting in your PK.

https://medal.tv/games/garrys-mod/clips/kJUwDm7RtNXaLJhKq?invite=cr-MSxLZTYsNTExNDQzMTE

https://medal.tv/games/garrys-mod/clips/kJUwk8LXplbQb2duk?invite=cr-MSx0bngsMjMzMDgyMDg

[Cookie Baker]

1 hour ago, Dr. Hax said:

Hello, PKing admin here. I received 2 different clips on this situation that show him running up to you with a mask and telling you repeatedly to not move in an area where mugs can be initiated, this is intent to mug. Yes, it all happened very fast as I told you before, but you were quick enough to draw a gun in a situation where you shouldn’t have. If you had managed to kill the perp in the situation you’d have him pked as well.

Initiation:

- Holding someone at gunpoint with the intention of mugging them

- Holding someone at gunpoint or cornering them while wearing a mask which obscures your identity may also be a valid indication to the victim that you intend to mug them

When can you kill someone during a mugging?

- They attempt to fight back while you have them at gunpoint/fear rp. 

Conclusion:

While under fearrp it's recommended you oblige by the commands of your captor, if you attempt to escape or pull out a weapon to fight back but are killed that would display a disregard for your own safety, a calculated risk you took which failed, resulting in your PK.

https://medal.tv/games/garrys-mod/clips/kJUwDm7RtNXaLJhKq?invite=cr-MSxLZTYsNTExNDQzMTE

https://medal.tv/games/garrys-mod/clips/kJUwk8LXplbQb2duk?invite=cr-MSx0bngsMjMzMDgyMDg

Still in under 3 seconds on the second clip you provided, I am being shot at. Which is still not 5 seconds. Which is the minimum, according to the rules on mugging.

This is convenient for the mugger. Just because I'm faster than his words, does not make me a valid kill until I'm AWARE of the situation, and I can consciously make a decision on what to do.

I had nothing more valuable than my glock at the time of this mugging, and nothing on Jean would lead me to make this kind of move to risk his life.

 

You also did not address the fact of a witness being there, Vecka, who OOCly is z67h. This is convenient for the mugger.

You neither did address the fact that on the video, with timestamp proof, I already pulled my gun out before I even heard his first command. This is convenient for the mugger.

Nor did you address that I haven't taken my gun off safety yet, I didn't understand what was going on. Which, I was supposed to have 5 seconds to understand, minimum. I did not, and this is convenient for the mugger.

 

It is proven that by my side of things, I am unable to process in time (about 2.5 seconds) what was happening.  Here is a screenshot of proof that in the second clip you mentioned, by the mugger who has not shot yet. I am still being shot at in under 3 seconds. This mugging is hereby invalid due to all points argued, and even if you think one of them might not be a valid point (for whatever reason), there are multiple others that bulletproof the appeal. This was a mistake on your part, and I was going to prove this in the sit room and save us all the trouble until you decided to make this a forums problem.

[Cookie Baker]

18 minutes ago, Cookie Baker said:

Still in under 3 seconds on the second clip you provided, I am being shot at. Which is still not 5 seconds. Which is the minimum, according to the rules on mugging.

This is convenient for the mugger. Just because I'm faster than his words, does not make me a valid kill until I'm AWARE of the situation, and I can consciously make a decision on what to do.

I had nothing more valuable than my glock at the time of this mugging, and nothing on Jean would lead me to make this kind of move to risk his life.

 

You also did not address the fact of a witness being there, Vecka, who OOCly is z67h. This is convenient for the mugger.

You neither did address the fact that on the video, with timestamp proof, I already pulled my gun out before I even heard his first command. This is convenient for the mugger.

Nor did you address that I haven't taken my gun off safety yet, I didn't understand what was going on. Which, I was supposed to have 5 seconds to understand, minimum. I did not, and this is convenient for the mugger.

 

It is proven that by my side of things, I am unable to process in time (about 2.5 seconds) what was happening.  Here is a screenshot of proof that in the second clip you mentioned, by the mugger who has not shot yet. I am still being shot at in under 3 seconds. This mugging is hereby invalid due to all points argued, and even if you think one of them might not be a valid point (for whatever reason), there are multiple others that bulletproof the appeal. This was a mistake on your part, and I was going to prove this in the sit room and save us all the trouble until you decided to make this a forums problem.

For EXTRA CLARIFICATION: the mugging should not even have happened to begin with, and I want to know your counterpoint. There was a witness and witnesses should not be able to see a mugging initiate, which is already pointed out in my video very thoroughly.

edit: Don't forget, the 5 second rule isn't proving the time point of necessity in shooting me, it's proving that I was given enough time (five seconds) to realize what was happening! 2 seconds and 30 milliseconds is not enough! 

And also, double don't forget; If you look at the video (YOU'RE SUPPOSED TO!!!) you'll find that I had my gun out before his first command ever left his mouth, on my screen! This is at the very least proof that I had a gun out before I knew what was going on, and far before I knew it was a mugging, which he is supposed to make clear within those five seconds!!! Telling me to stop moving while he's shuffling around and gunpoint is uncertain (POINTED OUT IN THE VIDEO!!!) where the gun is NOT certain to me leaves it fairly ambiguous as to who's in trouble! ESPECIALLY WITHIN TWO AND A HALF SECONDS IN LITERAL TERMS!!!

Edited 9 hours ago by Cookie Baker

[Dr. Hax]

55 minutes ago, Cookie Baker said:

Still in under 3 seconds on the second clip you provided, I am being shot at. Which is still not 5 seconds. Which is the minimum, according to the rules on mugging.

This is convenient for the mugger. Just because I'm faster than his words, does not make me a valid kill until I'm AWARE of the situation, and I can consciously make a decision on what to do.

I had nothing more valuable than my glock at the time of this mugging, and nothing on Jean would lead me to make this kind of move to risk his life.

 

You also did not address the fact of a witness being there, Vecka, who OOCly is z67h. This is convenient for the mugger.

You neither did address the fact that on the video, with timestamp proof, I already pulled my gun out before I even heard his first command. This is convenient for the mugger.

Nor did you address that I haven't taken my gun off safety yet, I didn't understand what was going on. Which, I was supposed to have 5 seconds to understand, minimum. I did not, and this is convenient for the mugger.

 

It is proven that by my side of things, I am unable to process in time (about 2.5 seconds) what was happening.  Here is a screenshot of proof that in the second clip you mentioned, by the mugger who has not shot yet. I am still being shot at in under 3 seconds. This mugging is hereby invalid due to all points argued, and even if you think one of them might not be a valid point (for whatever reason), there are multiple others that bulletproof the appeal. This was a mistake on your part, and I was going to prove this in the sit room and save us all the trouble until you decided to make this a forums problem.

I'm not going to argue this any further, but the fact that you didn't know this was a mugging is outrageous. You said "OH NO WAY" just 5 seconds into the clip and right before you drew your gun:
https://medal.tv/games/garrys-mod/clips/kJUwk8LXplbQb2duk?invite=cr-MSx0bngsMjMzMDgyMDg

You obviously knew what was happening. 2 armed masked men ran with their guns pointing at you. It's not rocket science. Again, you were fast enough to realize and draw a gun, but you weren't fast enough to stand still and comply. 

I'll leave this up to UA.