Lucas Hanover PK appeal :)

[Lucas]

Name of Character: Lucas Hanover

SteamID: 76561198056453951

Your Discord ID#: lucas0138.

Date of PK: 5/7/25

Reason for PK:

Not giving faction money back?
Betrayal?
Planning to give other faction money? 

 

tbh i dont quite know

Why should you be unPK'd? What server rule or PK rule was violated?:

 

Ive never done any of the things listed above. I have never been contacted about giving any money back in over 8 months of being retired and then them removing my roles in the discord. If they wanted money back then they should have contacted me. I have never attempted or given any money to any other faction after i retired. Which i did on good terms and i was accepted by the Don at the time of me leaving. On top of that they willingly removed my roles from the Gambino discord. As you can see in the screenshot listed below Happy clearly did not have any problem with me being retired nor did he ever contact me about me not giving any faction money back.Listed below that is my last DM with Mards who never contacted me about faction funds. Listed below that is a picture of my last DM with Patch which does not mention anything about faction funds. Listed below that is a picture of my last DM with Falcon who also never contacted me about missing faction funds and as you can also see in that picture me leaving was ammicable. Oh and here is grillers last DM too if anyone was wondering. Collectors last DM with me too which does not mention anything about faction funds 

 

If possible please provide video evidence or photo evidence if PK does not follow the guidelines:
 

Edited July 5 by Lucas

[Davis]

we had orders out on you for over half a year ago during the last don and fyi just because you didn’t do the thing we suspected you of doing doesn’t invalidate the pk you were killed for betraying the family have a good night hangover

[xDutchCat]

Hello, 

 

I was the one who set you active for the reason "Becoming a burden and leaving after taking our oath" I couldn't confirm in logs that you ever left the faction however you were still on their whitelist when I wanted to set you active. When joining a criminal faction all users understand and partake in the risk of being PK'ed as is the nature of being a criminal. Members of a faction who break their IC code of conduct or run risk to the faction can be ordered killed by the faction leader. See below.
 
I was given the proof of Orders with time and date, and the person who ordered your death was authorized to do so. 

 

to add i was not aware of all the other stuff provided so i'll let the seniors+ handle that.

Edited July 5 by xDutchCat

[Davis]

wasn’t aware of the exact reasoning but i reached out and was provided this

[Lucas]

That entire situation with you and falcon was handled when it occoured and you did get my F3. It was nothing to do with refusing to do it nor standing on a high horse. It was simply a joke which after like a few days i did give you guys the f3. As you can see in my screenshot i clearly got permission to leave by Happy. If that situation was enough for me to be PKd for why was there never a sitdown or any reprimand for it and as you said yourself the orders were given out six months ago when the situation that Patch is saying is the reason i died occoured closer to 9 or 10 months ago whilst i was still in the faction and not retired. There was nothing repeated about the thing that went on with me not giving you my F3 and either way its at max disrespect.

Edited July 5 by Lucas

[Davis]

i don’t know the exact time the orders were given so take my 6 months comment with a grain of salt and constantly refusing orders from your superiors is still grounds for a PK.

Edited July 5 by Davis

[Davis]

also forgot to mention this discord dms are ooc so everything you posted has no relevance to this pk you can’t use an ooc medium of communication to avoid ic ramifications 

[Lucas]

There were never any IC conversations about my retirement and its not like this was the first time i had retired in the past 5 years ive retired 3-4 times only once in that time have we had an IC conversation about my retirement. If Patch and Happy wanted to have a conversation with me about my retirement they could have asked but didnt and in the same way they could have called me for an IC conversation and then PKd me during that but they didnt. They let me retire and the only interaction i had with anyone in gambinos regarding it was via DMs. Im not using discord DMs to avoid anything i am proving that you saying that i didnt pay for something is false because even if OOC is used you wont find anything about me not paying for something or not giving any money back because it never happened. If you cant prove it OOCly how would you ever prove it ICly. And again there was never a reprimand for Disrespect nor a sitdown for anything that occoured. If you wanted someone could have easily reached out in the last months but nobody did instead my roles were removed and i was only given access to role request and then i was timed out for over a week again without any communication for that entire week as to why it happened until Happy contacted me where again it does not exactly seem like he is trying to have me PKd. To me it seems like this is more of an OOC issue than it is an IC one. Because the only time yall seemingly started to care was when i joined the Colombo discord and got roles in there

Edited July 6 by Lucas

[Davis]

22 hours ago, Lucas said:

They let me retire and the only interaction i had with anyone in gambinos regarding it was via DMs

this is not in character fyi 

 

also another huge note if we are going to pk someone we don’t make it very obvious especially regarding discord communication so please take that into account.

 

22 hours ago, Lucas said:

And again there was never a reprimand for Disrespect nor a sitdown for anything that occoured

Myself and falcon who were enforcers at the time had you pulled into a room where the underboss demanded you gave us your name when you disconnected from the server (LTARP not disrespect) that is the night we had orders placed on you. 

 

22 hours ago, Lucas said:

Because the only time yall seemingly started to care was when i joined the Colombo discord and got roles in there

keep in mind this is only when we took your discord roles you gotta understand how it looks from a faction point of view when one of your “retired” guys you have orders on joining an enemy faction discord during escalation 5 we removed your discord roles to make sure you would not leak our radio.

[Lucas]

First of all. When i joined the Colombo discord they were still in the commission on trial period which they had been for a like a few months or something and i already explained it to happy when that happened. I dont have a character in their faction and never have had one and how the fuck am i supposed to know if you have orders on me or not that makes absolute 0 sense and is seriosly an invalid argument for anything to do with me joining their discord which is OOC anyways. 

Second of all when you are saying you placed orders on me i was still in the faction for several months without you doing absolutely anything still had roles and wasnt retired and played a decent bit pretty often. And again i did give you the F3 like the next day or something. And no i wasnt pulled into any room we was in the backroom of the La Volpe when that was at City hall i had already said i was going off and then as a joke i ran outside you werent even in the room when it happened if i remember correctly (but i may be wrong its been what 9-10 months since that happened) And again i wasnt retired there was never a reprimand nor any kind of sitdown for any situation that you are saying happened. 

[Davis]

30 minutes ago, Lucas said:

how the fuck am i supposed to know if you have orders on me or not that makes absolute 0 sense and is seriosly an invalid argument for anything to do with me joining their discord which is OOC anyways. 

it’s why your roles weren’t taken immediately because your not supposed to know there were orders on you that’s like the whole thing with doing hits

 

30 minutes ago, Lucas said:

still had roles and wasnt retired and played a decent bit pretty often. And again i did give you the F3 like the next day or something.

you were already retired when this went on you still had your roles cause in character you were still around (eclipse is a good example) we hadn’t killed you yet. We’re not gonna remove your roles before we kill you cause that would be too obvious. We only took your roles because of the upcoming conflict and fear you may leak information to the other side. Regarding giving your f3 it was not the next day you were extremely inactive back then (retired through discord dms) Falcon and I only got your name when we weren’t able to carry out the orders yet due to Patch not being online and you disconnecting soon after giving us your name so in all it made your hit a very delicate matter and we finally got you thanks to the trunk update which forced you to get on your character. 

 

30 minutes ago, Lucas said:

And no i wasnt pulled into any room we was in the backroom of the La Volpe

Yes you were pulled into the back to have a conversation about it which you disconnected in the middle of rp. Why would we call you to a sit down if the last chance of roleplay we had with you ended in you disconnecting from the game. You may think it was a joke and at most disrespect but you blatantly ignored the rp situation and failed to listen to the commands of the underboss in character which led to your untimely demise. You became a burden to this family of ours and no longer trusted within our outfit I know your trying to make it seem like it’s all ooc bullshit but you KNEW you were gonna die and instead of contacting staff abt it being “ooc” you just never hopped on and now when you finally got wacked you blame ooc issues when it’s your actions in character that got you killed.

[Lucas]

"Becoming a burden and leaving after taking our oath"

These were my pk orders. Leaving after taking our oath isn’t true because A. I never left the faction whitelist and B. I retired, was given retired roles and then didn’t play. You don’t retire by going up to someone ingame and asking to retire you just dm them like everyone else does on this server..

Becoming a burden.
Don’t understand this one since your reasons for why I was wacked were along the lines of not giving my name to other made guys. I had been in the faction for 4+ years having one of the oldest chars and had the same rank as the people who asked for my name. Once I was demanded to give my name out I did. I was asked not even months before this to step in for crew deals several times and i was even asked to step in as a LT for a week. This does not sound like someone that is inactive nor someone that is a burden to the faction actually quite the opposite. At the same time i was trusted enough to keep records for the gun store even after you made the new form. That doesnt sound like someone that is a burden either. Keep in mind the time when the La Volpe shit was going on would be around 5-6 months before i even retired. I was offered right hand man LT after the la volpe situation. I was told to keep watch of the gun registry for our most important business after this situation. I was asked to do drug deals for the faction by the underboss of the faction after the La Volpe shit happened. In my time in Gambinos i kicked up millions of dollars every month. 

You pk reasons aren’t really the same as why I actually died

[Davis]

8 hours ago, Lucas said:

You don’t retire by going up to someone ingame and asking to retire you just dm them like everyone else does on this server

dms are ooc which we are allowed to lie to you in there is nothing against the rules saying we can’t lie in order to give you a false sense of security or to get you in the city.

 

8 hours ago, Lucas said:

i was even asked to step in as a LT for a week. This does not sound like someone that is inactive nor someone that is a burden to the faction

this was bait to try to get you ingame to be killed.

 

8 hours ago, Lucas said:

i was trusted enough to keep records for the gun store even after you made the new form

the second we made a new form we took all of your access.

 

8 hours ago, Lucas said:

I was told to keep watch of the gun registry for our most important business after this situation.

false sense of security.

8 hours ago, Lucas said:

You pk reasons aren’t really the same as why I actually died

They are, you never asked to retire in character you were lied to on an ooc level for a false sense of security for your eventual hit. You retired in one of the hardest points in our history and every enforcer has been given your hit upon promotion to the rank. Frankly, your just a guy who’s been scared to get on for months and now when you finally got wacked your crying ooc. You can’t just not hop on for 9 months then blame ooc issues cause we took your roles when you joined colombo discord.

[KingJewMonaclu]

Hello all,

Let me break this down for you, because this was discussed in depth between the Senior Administration team and the UA team, and we've come to a ruling regarding this.

The problem at the base of this pk, despite all the dribble that's been talked about, is the orders that were given. The orders that were given, were invalid. Being a "Burden" is not a pk order. Leaving the family is invalid because he never left the family. So, this is a cleanup. You guys are trying to find a valid reason after the fact, and we've decided to make a decision regarding this kind of conduct. If you give dons orders on someone, and the reason is invalid, but you totally have a good reason to do it, and you neglected to actually give that as the reason, the dons orders will be overturned. As is in this case. Obviously there was some schizo posting about this guy wanting to leave and steal some funds, or something of the like, and that wasn't mentioned in the orders at all. Obviously there was some talk about the potential of him retiring, whether or not it was a rumour, which could have been used as a reason, but it wasn't actually mentioned. The orders given to the staff indicated that he had left the faction; he didn't. He was kicked out of the discord. The orders given to the staff indicated that he was a "Burden", with no further explanation, and it's not even really explained here in the post cleanup. 

At the end of the day, the staff member accepting this PK, should have NOT have accepted this PK. As a result of the failures of the don/HC that gave the orders, and the failure of the staff member to properly verify the information regarding the leaving the faction, and the invalidity of "being a burden", this PK will be overturned.

With that, there are some strict parameters to be played by on part of both parties in this situation. Firstly, all knowledge of the Gambino Crime Family that Luca has is hereby completely voided. Likewise, the knowledge the family has about Luca is completely voided. Any attempts to regain anything from Luca, i.e. money or items, without NEW proper cause (post date this pk, if he actually wrongs the faction and the faction wishes to retaliate, which will require documentation). will be met with staff disciplinary action. If Luca attempts to snitch, or beef without NEW (post date this pk, if the faction actually wrongs him and he wishes to retaliate, which will require documentation) and proper cause with the faction, it will be met with the same staff disciplinary action.

Let it be known for future orders that this rule will always apply, if you give invalid orders the pk will be overturned. No matter how good of a reason you figure out before or after. It is YOUR responsibility to give proper orders. It is YOUR responsibility as a don to ensure that your people are giving proper orders. They should be specific and concise. Leave no room for ambiguity.

Thank you for your attention to this matter.

 

Your appeal has been reviewed and accepted.

Your character has been reinstated and can be used again.