Non-Lethal Alternatives (In Depth)

[Baselsamarah]

I agree that less lethal options should be introduced, but not because the taser is too ineffective- If you have a reticle and just slightly shoot ahead of the target then the taser is not too bad. Though there’s no harm in adding a little bit of spice. 

It SHOULD NOT be limited to PD either, available to everyone because they are non-lethal. (Obviously if used against cops or fear-rp situations then normal rules would apply and you’d get pk’d, and regular server rules apply such as ARDM/RDM/NITRP). Cadet’s and Probationary Officers can train on them too, ensuring they are up to NYPD standards before moving up to the rank of Officer.

To balance things out, you could also add pro’s and con’s to each piece of equipment. Maybe it can be a new racket? Possibly for legal factions only. 

Beanbag shotguns 

Pro’s -

1. Knocks down whoever you shot for a short time. (like /fallover1) 

2. Can be open-carried (duh it’s non lethal)

3. It’s a slug, so the range should be pretty good. 

Con’s - 

1. Would have orange or some colour representing it’s just a bean bag shotgun. 

2. It’s a slug, so your aim has to be good. 

3. It’s a pump shotgun, and re-chambering a round takes slightly longer than usual. 

4. It’s a separate firearm, you cannot use regular shotgun ammo or have another primary equipped with it. 
 

Pepper Spray

Pro’s -

1. Temporarily impairs the vision of the target. (Like a Brown’s Blended Bourbon but worse). This can be used as an alternative to a taser; as you don’t need to be too accurate and is quicker to deter criminals from starting shootouts. Usually when a cop pulls out a taser and he’s alone it’s GGs. 

2. Good to give to newbies that don’t have licenses for firearms to slightly give them an edge getting away from muggers or general situations that require them to run away. 

Con’s -

1. It’s a mist that lingers for a very short period of time; the user could accidentally pepper spray himself or other officers. 

2. Has a limit on how many times can be used. Maybe 3-4 sprays until it’s empty. 

SATIRE

Pink fluffy handcuffs. I mean just imagine walking the “tough guy” back to PD in pink fluffy handcuffs. No matter what he says, no one will take him seriously.

K9’s. Have a staff member occasionally switch to a dog model. Can be faster, and can sniff drugs, firearms or explosives. I know Monaclu would be down to do this.

Water Cannons. Put it on a bearcat and just flush everyone away. 
 

Edited 13 hours ago by Baselsamarah

[Lunar]

Honestly kinda mess with this but can be easily abused. If there is a way to make them non-abusable I think they would be amazing to have. The satire ones are funny

+1

[DopeAsRoe]

Beanbag shotgun's


1. Knocking somebody over is extremely over powered, especially in a situation where such a device would be practical whether its a cop or conflict situation

2. What sense does it make for civilians to openly carry around a beanbag shotgun?

3. How far of a distance? Only way I see this being balanced is if it can only reach like across the street.

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Pepper Spray

1. Aim should matter when using pepper spray, a body shot should not impair your vision. Should be headshots only.

2. The lingering effect wouldn't be terrible, but would have to be pretty short and a small linger area.

3.  A limit of 3-4 uses before it runs out is pretty fair but should have a slight cooldown in between sprays if it causes a lingering effect.

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There would be no real reason that civilians need a beanbag shotgun. Maybe pepper spray but where would you get it?
If its a racket, would civs have access to it? Doesn't make a whole lot of sense for them to. It would have to be added something like a light weapons racket that has things like pistols and melee weapons rather than its own separate racket. Maybe then I could see it being somewhat plausible.

Even if only cops had them, both items would have to do actual damage so normal pk and escalation rules apply in cop and conflict situations. While both of these are non-lethal, they still do damage like a baton does. Being shot by a beanbag round isn't like being shot with a rubber bullet, you can fracture/break bones, and cause other serious injuries. And obviously pepper spray burns your eyes and throat.

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Overall, I don't hate the idea of either of these. They would just have to being incorporated in such a way where it doesn't give the user unfair advantages. I really only see beanbag weaponry being used by law enforcement. Pepper spray on the other hand might have actual civilian use if its done properly.

Edit: The main issue/reason I see people saying add other non-lethal alternatives is because tasers can be a lil weird sometimes. My answer to that is get good or maybe add a stun gun that you have to make contact with like the baton.

Edited 11 hours ago by DopeAsRoe

[DopeAsRoe]

+1 for freaky cuffs tho

[handsome]

16 minutes ago, DopeAsRoe said:

2. What sense does it make for civilians to openly carry around a beanbag shotgun?

we live in america +1

[Baselsamarah]

43 minutes ago, DopeAsRoe said:

Beanbag shotgun's


1. Knocking somebody over is extremely over powered, especially in a situation where such a device would be practical whether its a cop or conflict situation

2. What sense does it make for civilians to openly carry around a beanbag shotgun?

3. How far of a distance? Only way I see this being balanced is if it can only reach like across the street.

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Pepper Spray

1. Aim should matter when using pepper spray, a body shot should not impair your vision. Should be headshots only.

2. The lingering effect wouldn't be terrible, but would have to be pretty short and a small linger area.

3.  A limit of 3-4 uses before it runs out is pretty fair but should have a slight cooldown in between sprays if it causes a lingering effect.

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There would be no real reason that civilians need a beanbag shotgun. Maybe pepper spray but where would you get it?
If its a racket, would civs have access to it? Doesn't make a whole lot of sense for them to. It would have to be added something like a light weapons racket that has things like pistols and melee weapons rather than its own separate racket. Maybe then I could see it being somewhat plausible.

Even if only cops had them, both items would have to do actual damage so normal pk and escalation rules apply in cop and conflict situations. While both of these are non-lethal, they still do damage like a baton does. Being shot by a beanbag round isn't like being shot with a rubber bullet, you can fracture/break bones, and cause other serious injuries. And obviously pepper spray burns your eyes and throat.

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Overall, I don't hate the idea of either of these. They would just have to being incorporated in such a way where it doesn't give the user unfair advantages. I really only see beanbag weaponry being used by law enforcement. Pepper spray on the other hand might have actual civilian use if its done properly.

Edit: The main issue/reason I see people saying add other non-lethal alternatives is because tasers can be a lil weird sometimes. My answer to that is get good or maybe add a stun gun that you have to make contact with like the baton.

I agree with everything you say but the bean bag shotgun should be able to shoot longer than just across the street. And it’s not accurate/scoped so if the person is running zigzags then it’s pretty hard to shoot. 
 

As per rackets and what not I have no idea. Maybe since they are legal, we can let the Oil factions sell them.

[DopeAsRoe]

28 minutes ago, handsome said:

we live in america +1

Bean bag rounds can kill or maim someone. So if civs can use/access them specific regulations can and should apply. Like only being able to use it on private property or requiring to show ID. And obviously brandishing them would still have a legal penalty. 

Slightly changing the functionality of pre-existing mechanics would make more sense than giving civs access to a beanbag shotgun. Like making it so where if you smack someone with a gun or a baseball bat it stuns them for a second like the baton. 

 

[Baselsamarah]

7 minutes ago, DopeAsRoe said:

Bean bag rounds can kill or maim someone. So if civs can use/access them specific regulations can and should apply. Like only being able to use it on private property or requiring to show ID. And obviously brandishing them would still have a legal penalty. 

Slightly changing the functionality of pre-existing mechanics would make more sense than giving civs access to a beanbag shotgun. Like making it so where if you smack someone with a gun or a baseball bat it stuns them for a second like the baton. 

 

I mean if a double barrel shotgun can be on your back, why can’t a beanbag shotgun? I’m not trying to mirror real life. 

[DopeAsRoe]

1 minute ago, Baselsamarah said:

I agree with everything you say but the bean bag shotgun should be able to shoot longer than just across the street. And it’s not accurate/scoped so if the person is running zigzags then it’s pretty hard to shoot. 
 

As per rackets and what not I have no idea. Maybe since they are legal, we can let the Oil factions sell them.

Could be fixed by making ADS slightly more accurate. Beanbag rounds are little lead pillows, so its not like missing a taser shot. If you missed it's more than likely because you suck at aiming lol.

In my opinion it wouldn't make any sense for Big Oil Co to have access to as non-lethal weapons racket either. 

[DopeAsRoe]

Just now, Baselsamarah said:

I mean if a double barrel shotgun can be on your back, why can’t a beanbag shotgun? I’m not trying to mirror real life. 

Yea ofc it doesn't have to be 1-1 with IRL but it would be something for the government to regulate in some capacity

[Baselsamarah]

2 minutes ago, DopeAsRoe said:

Yea ofc it doesn't have to be 1-1 with IRL but it would be something for the government to regulate in some capacity

Yes it should, I agree 

4 minutes ago, DopeAsRoe said:

Could be fixed by making ADS slightly more accurate. Beanbag rounds are little lead pillows, so its not like missing a taser shot. If you missed it's more than likely because you suck at aiming lol.

In my opinion it wouldn't make any sense for Big Oil Co to have access to as non-lethal weapons racket either. 

yeah maybe it should be sold by hardware or whatever. Maybe it can be sold by the ammo NPCs, or have a separate npc in the gun stores for the less lethal. 
 

also the shotgun should be able to shoot the range of 15 in game footsteps. 
 

and the tasers should have a function to tase close quarters and shoot prongs. 

Edited 10 hours ago by Baselsamarah