Ban Appeal : Ayden/Celestus

[ayden]

Your Character or Steam Name: Ayden/Celestus

 

Your SteamID (Click to retrieve): STEAM_0:1:73536917

 

Your Discord ID#: celestus.x

 

Reason for ban: “Rule” - Cheating/Hacking

 

Length of ban: Perm

 

Reason for appeal (dispute/apology): Apology.

 

Why should you be unbanned?

 

CONTEXT

 

So to start I will say that I am not disputing the fact that I did, and do consistently use a menu that contains ESP and Aimbot. I have been playing GMOD for around 14 years and have been using it as a platform for RP for around 8 of those. In the 8 years I have been roleplaying, from DarkRP to 42 RP to Africa RP to Syria RP and now to Diverge, I have in some way used a “cheat”. I am sorry to say, for players that are newer, its a very common thing to do. It should never be a surprise to anyone how the GSP found you hiding in a bush on 42RP. Some high command members use them, some don't need to because their entire guard unit, or at least certain members of it have them enabled. This is not an excuse, and I promise I will get to the proper appeal in a moment, but I am providing context. The point I am making is that I can be criticized for using them, I can be told it's a lame thing to do, but there MUST be some level of understanding that some uses of cheats are objectively “bad”. If I inject a cheat with the intent of using it to obtain an advantage over another player, I am using it in a malicious way and potentially harming the RP experience for the playerbase. In many cases throughout my time on GMOD though, this was never the intent and their presence in my game was merely a product of me being too lazy to close the injector.

 

APPEAL

 

Recently, I decided to take a journey to a different area of RP than I am used to. While I have enjoyed RPing as a government official for the past couple years, I wanted to try something new. On that journey, some cool guys (and one woman) from one of the Italian factions hired me as a waiter in their establishment. As someone who enjoys serious RP, I take the role seriously and enjoy running the restaurant. In fact, most of my playtime over the days leading up to my ban was simply me working in that restaurant. In that time, I took part in 0 violent interactions except one interaction where I was RDM’d and never really left the restaurant for any reason beyond picking up some shipments or selling oil. So while I apologize for having the cheats injected, I simply want to express that I never had any intention of using them to gain any advantage over other players or harm the experience of others in any way. I don’t need them in order to play the game the way that I do. On one character I was a government official who doesn't even own guns, so I have little to no use for them. On the other, I am a waiter, who hardly leaves a restaurant. Again, I apologize for breaking the rule and there is no excuse for me having them, but I would never and have never used them to procure an advantage over other players, find players I could not find (I dont think ive ever even had to do this), or used it to win gunfights easily (I dont get into gunfights). 

 

I am humbly coming to the UA to ask for some leniency. I don’t believe I am special, or above anyone else to the point I can just do whatever I want. I apologize for my usage of them and swear I never used it to harm the RP experience on Diverge. It has always been my goal to create RP and enjoyable experiences for the community and I understand that this event was antithetical to that end. If granted the opportunity to be unbanned, I would pledge to never utilize those cheats on diverge ever again. In reality, the issue of me even having them injected at that time was avoidable and is something I can remedy very easily. Thank you for your consideration.

 

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Here is a picture of a ghetto spongebob to lighten the mood.

 

[Burner_xo]

Set my boy Ayden free, bro fucked up but he sings like an angel. For real though his RP is great, and from what I saw he always avoided conflict and tried to make everyone's experience the best it could be. -The one cool Italian woman who hired him

[adam]

Banning admin here - I was sent screenshots of you screensharing your cheats in a public vc of a diverge related discord, which is why I went ahead and banned you. 

[Kurt The Biggest Steppa]

You are the biggest fucking loser I’ve met on diverge. Rather talk to Pun Gun for an hour straight while being dismembered by Dexter. Insufferable twink. 

[xDutchCat]

Probably got banned by accident after they figured out you accidentally turned on your cheats?

[ayden]

15 minutes ago, xDutchCat said:

Probably got banned by accident after they figured out you accidentally turned on your cheats?

The ban was intentional and I have no issues with it as a matter of my actions clearly breaking the rule. Canadian joined the VC I was in at the time and told me something along the lines of "youve been caught". That happened maybe 2 minutes max before the ban was imposed and I hadn't given any explanation at that point. That's what I intended to do with this appeal was explain the circumstances and apologize for even having them enabled at the time. 

[Buzz]

Maybe the cheating is unacceptable, but he should get warning. If it gets denied, then we can wait few more months. He is a good guy genuinely. Up to UA.

Edited Sunday at 05:06 AM by Buzz
changing my stance

[4Lights]

Hello, let me start by going through you appeal.

Context

So to start I will say that I am not disputing the fact that I did, and do consistently use a menu that contains ESP and Aimbot. 
Admitting to cheatings
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I have been playing GMOD for around 14 years and have been using it as a platform for RP for around 8 of those. In the 8 years I have been roleplaying, from DarkRP to 42 RP to Africa RP to Syria RP and now to Diverge, I have in some way used a “cheat”. I am sorry to say, for players that are newer, its a very common thing to do. 
- This is the same logic people use to cheat in multiplayer games since its inception. Just because you can, and you might be able to get away with it, doesn't mean you SHOULD. It is NOT a 'very common' thing to do as most players do infact play within the rules. As the fear of consequences and lost value for said game. There is a minority that do cheat, which is why staff always needs to be vigilante and the rules are very clear when they are caught. 

It should never be a surprise to anyone how the GSP found you hiding in a bush on 42RP. Some high command members use them, some don't need to because their entire guard unit, or at least certain members of it have them enabled.
- Again admitting to cheating, albeit in another server. This is Mafia RP not a place for white flower enthusiasts. If another community has a problem, they must deal with it. To me it is never acceptable.

This is not an excuse, and I promise I will get to the proper appeal in a moment, but I am providing context. The point I am making is that I can be criticized for using them, I can be told it's a lame thing to do, but there MUST be some level of understanding that some uses of cheats are objectively “bad”. 
- It is only bad if I used these stolen credit cards for fraud, or if I toggled on the cheats. You are not infallible and even if you were, there is no way for us to know they, so it must be taken as; they will be used maliciously.

If I inject a cheat with the intent of using it to obtain an advantage over another player, I am using it in a malicious way and potentially harming the RP experience for the playerbase. In many cases throughout my time on GMOD though, this was never the intent and their presence in my game was merely a product of me being too lazy to close the injector.
- Cheating is not innocuous. It is harmful to the game space, kills servers, kills games and kills communities and is a quick way to piss a lot of people off. Running your ESP in the background is always malicious, not matter if you're using it in that present moment. Fact is, you never know when it might give you an advantage.

 

APPEAL

Recently, I decided to take a journey to a different area of RP than I am used to. While I have enjoyed RPing as a government official for the past couple years, I wanted to try something new. On that journey, some cool guys (and one woman) from one of the Italian factions hired me as a waiter in their establishment. As someone who enjoys serious RP, I take the role seriously and enjoy running the restaurant.
- I am glad to hear that you take the RP very seriously and I'll give you credit, where credit is due. However, it is a shame you don't take the 'game' very seriously. This is not just role-playing, it is an RP GAME and you can't ignore the game aspect and do only the RP- while using cheats to give you an advantage in the GAME. 

 

In fact, most of my playtime over the days leading up to my ban was simply me working in that restaurant. In that time, I took part in 0 violent interactions except one interaction where I was RDM’d and never really left the restaurant for any reason beyond picking up some shipments or selling oil. So while I apologize for having the cheats injected, I simply want to express that I never had any intention of using them to gain any advantage over other players or harm the experience of others in any way.
- Violent interactions can come at any moment. Someone comes and causes shit, you toggle your aimbot or see him behind a wall before he does anything. You were running ESP in the background while 'picking up and selling oil'. Meaning you can observe anyone around your shipment using a third party modification, giving you an advantage over other players, ie the definition of cheating.

I don’t need them in order to play the game the way that I do. On one character I was a government official who doesn't even own guns, so I have little to no use for them. On the other, I am a waiter, who hardly leaves a restaurant. Again, I apologize for breaking the rule and there is no excuse for me having them, but I would never and have never used them to procure an advantage over other players, find players I could not find (I dont think ive ever even had to do this), or used it to win gunfights easily (I dont get into gunfights). 
- "..In the 8 years I have been roleplaying.. I have in some way used a “cheat”. I am sorry to say.." - "never used them to procure an advantage over other players". Referring to my previous statement. It is always malicious. You say you don't get into gunfights but the mere fact of having a cheat menu open INCASE. Again, makes you a cheater. ) 
 
I am humbly coming to the UA to ask for some leniency. I don’t believe I am special, or above anyone else to the point I can just do whatever I want. I apologize for my usage of them and swear I never used it to harm the RP experience on Diverge.
- Saying your not special, makes an implication that you are special. The fact is, yes you are special. You had done a lot in the gamespace, you have build a lot of legal RP and it is a shame that you did such a thing while being so valuable to the community. 

It has always been my goal to create RP and enjoyable experiences for the community and I understand that this event was antithetical to that end. If granted the opportunity to be unbanned, I would pledge to never utilize those cheats on diverge ever again. In reality, the issue of me even having them injected at that time was avoidable and is something I can remedy very easily. Thank you for your consideration.
- You don't promise not to cheat, you don't even promise to get rid of your cheats. All you promise is you'll 'never use[d] it to harm the RP experience on Diverge.' and 'never utilize those cheats on diverge ever again'. According to your own rules and your own beliefs. While saying prior that you cheated for 8 years in gmod, this is not reassuring to me.

 

tl;dr having ESP open in the background is always cheating regardless. You admit to cheating for years, you don't promise not to cheat or get rid of said cheats, but imply the fault is gmods and communities faults and it is so very common enough you can deflect blame. If you read any appeal for cheating they will all say that one line. 'It is super common bro, not my fault.'. ~You admit your guilt here. However, I don't believe, that you believe you are guilty.

[ayden]

36 minutes ago, 4Lights said:

tl;dr having ESP open in the background is always cheating regardless. You admit to cheating for years, you don't promise not to cheat or get rid of said cheats, but imply the fault is gmods and communities faults and it is so very common enough you can deflect blame. If you read any appeal for cheating they will all say that one line. 'It is super common bro, not my fault.'. ~You admit your guilt here. However, I don't believe, that you believe you are guilty.

I have made it clear in my appeal that I am guilty of having cheats. 

You hold the belief that every use of cheats is malicious, whereas I do not. I am guilty of breaking the rule against having cheats, but I refuse the notion that I ever used them maliciously or in any way to harm the community. I have not and would not do that on this server.

I did not post this appeal as a dispute, as the rule is clear. I wanted to apologize for having them enabled, and I did just that. I am seeking a ruling that considers the nuance of the situation, the fact it could not be more apparent that I do not use these to get any advantage on this server. The way I said it to others was, "If I intended to cheat, I am the worst cheater of all time."

 

Some other minor things you mentioned: 

 

1. You said I deflected blame and I don't think I did that. I attributed the injection of the cheats to me being lazy.

2. You said I never promised not to cheat again. I thought I had made it clear, but if it for some reason wasn't clear enough, I WILL TAKE EXTRA CARE TO NOT HAVE THOSE CHEATS ENABLED AND I WILL COMMIT TO NEVER BREAKING THE RULE AGAIN.

3. You made an allusion in one of your points that this is somehow comparable to saying (paraphrasing) "How am I guilty, I didn't even use the credit cards I stole". I think that opens me up to saying that while, sure, on its face that appears to be a like comparison. it more suits my point that there must be nuance. You can believe someone is guilty for being in possession of credit card that is not theirs, but the intent of that person, and the facts of the case, are decided in court (in this case an appeal). 

4. "GMOD is an RP game." No it's not. It thankfully is host to many great RP servers, but it cannot be classed as an "RP game". It may be your experience with GMOD, but I spent years being a little kid playing sandbox, TTT and prop hunt, before I explored the RP function. It is like the people that say Die Hard is a Christmas movie, simply because it takes place during christmas. Also many RP mechanisms are programmed by people like pendred who sought to make gmod more conducive to an RP environment.

[4Lights]

Yes, cheating I believe cheating by definition is malicious. You can have a point that, not all uses of third party programs, can be malicious in nature. However, cheating for the sake of anti-cheating effectively doubles those who feel justified in doing so. You are given so much information as part of gameplay and using anything outside is not intended and can give advantages. It's also suspicious, given your previous mugging/ quitting of the server. To me, seems clear, you are using it to not accidentally stumble upon such a situation again.

The situation is not nuanced in anyway. You cheated, you got caught and are now banned. It's not just having them enables, it's us knowing that you have cheats for the very game. ( gmod ) Effectively, you are telling us to allow cheats for your game, and to just trust you that you won't use them on the server. There is a reason VAC exists.

Further the facepunch "Community Server and Hosting Guidelines" 

..This also includes ensuring your Servers are free from viruses, malware and spyware. Cheating, griefing or hacking our Games are strictly prohibited..

We are to ensure the server is safe from cheaters. Which is also a violation of the facepunch TOS

v. Cheating: create, use, make available and/or distribute cheats, exploits, automation software, robots, bots, hacks, spiders, spyware, scripts, trainers, extraction tools, mining or other software that interact with or affect the Facepunch Services in any way.

 

 

Your defense reads as follows

1. I was too lazy to turn off my cheats. ( I promise I'll disable them, next time )

2. Yes, ENABLED. You are again telling us- you have those cheats but to 'trust you bro'. You make no mention of stopping cheating. You just say 'i wont use my cheats in your server'. I'm not going to get rid of them, which gives off the impression anytime you feel unjustified you 'might' be inclined to use them.

3. You are guilty for installing the cheats which violates facepunch TOS. You didn't accidentally cheat. In a sense you took the steps, which has inherent guilt imo.

4. I was referring to the server as the game, my mistake if this was unclear. Gmod is obviously a sandbox game.

 

Yes, you are saying this is an apology and that you cheated, but having those cheats and refusal to get rid of said cheats. Makes you inherently untrustworthy- on use of said cheats, thus making your appeal pointless if you're refusing to stop cheating.

[Ruffian]

who doesnt cheat on gmod? like be so fr. yall dont ban cheaters, yall ban cheaters who get caught. ayden is a retard but he's a good guy. unban him fr. not like he does anything combat related anyway dude is a court discord roleplayer.

[ayden]

1.  "It's also suspicious, given your previous mugging/ quitting of the server. To me, seems clear, you are using it to not accidentally stumble upon such a situation again."

Re:  I have never been mugged to my knowledge so I don't know what this is referring to.

2. You talk about VAC and the Facepunch guidelines like you believe they are gospel. In the exact same section as the citation you provided in their TOS it says, 

ix. Conduct: do or say anything unlawful, racist, harassing, threatening, abusive, hateful, xenophobic, sexist, discriminatory, abusive, defamatory, obscene, invasive of the privacy of another person or otherwise offensive. This includes in any chat or other communications with users. Facepunch reserves the right to monitor the content of any of your messages and prevent your use of any such chat or other communication systems for any reason.

Am I to understand that you intend to ban everyone who says the N-word? or calls me a faggot? or says terrible things about me? If not, then I can only conclude that the ToS is not really an authoritative reference Diverge uses when deciding how to moderate their server. This is not a critique of Diverge, I think the preservation of the freedom to say whatever you want to anyone else is hilarious and fine.

Edit: ^ This is to say, there is absolutely reason for Diverge UA to look at this issue differently than FP ToS.

On the VAC issue... if you know anyone who has been VAC banned on gmod, that person sucks.

3. "You are again telling us- you have those cheats but to 'trust you bro'. You make no mention of stopping cheating. You just say 'i wont use my cheats in your server'. I'm not going to get rid of them, which gives off the impression anytime you feel unjustified you 'might' be inclined to use them." 

Re: I think something I may not have explained before is that the cheat I use is presented in a launcher which combs your processes for anything which you have enabled on a short-list of games to inject the cheats. It is not a gmod exclusive launcher, though. I can not literally say I am going to get rid of the cheat because the cheat is a launcher which touches other games beyond gmod. The remedy I spoke of earlier would simply be to remove GMOD from the list of games. Its inclusion in the list was a product of laziness, as I said earlier. 

NOTE

I completely respect the perspective. I apologize if this comes off as combative, but I do genuinely disagree with your assessment of the situation. I think there is plenty of nuance to be seen here, even if you don't. I have very little to offer in terms of anything beyond saying I apologize for my actions. I said before that I do not need cheats to play the server the way that I do, no one does. 

Edited Saturday at 04:12 AM by ayden
justification

[4Lights]

If I recall you were mugged/fail mugged in the court room, if this is wrong. I may have confused you for someone else and I apologize.

Yes, people say hurtful things on the internet. We have rules against harassment and anything targeted towards anyone, we investigate reports of anything of such a nature. If you had a problem with someone harassing you, you should have brought it to staff. 

You have a cheat launcher, assumable for the half life 2 engine? You openly admit to it. Why would we want to unban you? You're basically saying you're a cheater and you cheat in online multiplayer environments. Even if I felt, you did feel sorry for you actions. You are seemingly openly taking the stance, that it's okay to cheat, by not just saying 'Yeah I'll remove all my cheats and I'll stop'. Instead you are seemingly just saying, I'll disable it and not use it for YOUR server. This is a public forum and how would it look if we took that stance? This to me is the wrong stance to take and the wrong thing to say in a ban appeal for cheating.

I disagree in the nuances, and I believe we in agreement on that disagreement. I believe heavily in fair play, I believe you went against that notion. Yes, for a lot of legal RP. You may not need cheats, but fact is, the advantage you may gain, the information you may see, steam ids, steams names etc. Just plainly looking through walls, could give you and enormous advantage over other players. Even if you had altruistic intentions. We have no way of moderating such things and for many the temptation is more than enough, to make an excuse to use said cheats.

Cheaters never prosper and one day I hope you'll realize the only person you are cheating is yourself.

[ayden]

Why are you saying I haven’t said this: 'Yeah I'll remove all my cheats and I'll stop'?

I have said numerous times in the past 3 posts that I would stop.

Saying I can be told to delete an entire tool just to play on the server. that tool, by the way, doesn’t solely work for source engine but many other games. It’s like you saying I can’t have cheat engine because some online games are susceptible to it, even if I do not use it in online games.

I am not saying i’m not open to it, just seems like a bit of a reach. 

Respectfully, I don’t need grandstanding. You are making statements that go far beyond what we are discussing. Of course some cheating is fine, while some is bad. If you believe that to be untrue then I do not know what to tell you. 

I have apologies repeatedly for having the cheats enabled. It was dumb, but I don’t need some life lesson on cheating. 

[ONeil]

Cheating is Cheating, and it shouldn't be done in any multiplayer environment. Your stating that "some cheating is fine" shows your clear intent to continue cheating on any server you see fit, including Diverge. In no way shape or form should someone who has admittedly stated they have used cheats on Garry Mod for 8 years be trusted to stop using them or be given a special exception. Honestly, if your appeal is accepted I think a lot of players would find this extremely alarming and unfair due to the clear-cut advantage you have over all the players that don't cheat like yourself. 

[ayden]

2 hours ago, ONeil said:

Cheating is Cheating, and it shouldn't be done in any multiplayer environment. Your stating that "some cheating is fine" shows your clear intent to continue cheating on any server you see fit, including Diverge. In no way shape or form should someone who has admittedly stated they have used cheats on Garry Mod for 8 years be trusted to stop using them or be given a special exception. Honestly, if your appeal is accepted I think a lot of players would find this extremely alarming and unfair due to the clear-cut advantage you have over all the players that don't cheat like yourself. 

If you are the o’neil I am thinking of, it doesn’t shock me that, after my 3-4 responses to 4lights concerns, you couldn’t comprehend i’ve already addressed everything you mentioned.

Your response genuinely looks like you put 4lights responses into ChatGPT and told it to summarize them. 

There is apparently some moral high ground that people like you think you stand on when it comes to cheating. Unfortunately, being so high up has constricted the oxygen going to your brain to the degree you’ve lost the ability to think critically. 

I will say for the final time: In certain instances, cheating in an online experience is wrong. In this case, it is wrong to have them. This was never a dispute to the ban, as I have acknowledged the rules. This was an apology. I apologize for having those cheats, but it doesn’t take rocket scientist to see I am not some criminal cheating mastermind or in any position to use them maliciously. I never used them to that effect because, for the billionth time… YOU DO NOT NEED CHEATS TO PLAY THE GAME THE WAY I DO. 

So, again, I apologize for having these cheats. I never did, and never have, intended to use them to harm the RP environment on Diverge. Proudly, despite the many bizarre reasons members of this community have submitted to dislike me for, none are because I beat you in a gun fight, or found you hiding in a bush and had the police arrest you, or had your steam ID before staff came and grabbed it.

All that to say, they were injected. I never wanted to, and never did, use them in any way shape or form. My excuse is outlined at least 4 times in previous posts, but the rule is clear enough that there is no room for dispute and no excuse could challenge it. This is an apology, and I am truly sorry.

[ONeil]

3 hours ago, ayden said:

If you are the o’neil I am thinking of, it doesn’t shock me that, after my 3-4 responses to 4lights concerns, you couldn’t comprehend i’ve already addressed everything you mentioned.

Your response genuinely looks like you put 4lights responses into ChatGPT and told it to summarize them. 

There is apparently some moral high ground that people like you think you stand on when it comes to cheating. Unfortunately, being so high up has constricted the oxygen going to your brain to the degree you’ve lost the ability to think critically. 

I will say for the final time: In certain instances, cheating in an online experience is wrong. In this case, it is wrong to have them. This was never a dispute to the ban, as I have acknowledged the rules. This was an apology. I apologize for having those cheats, but it doesn’t take rocket scientist to see I am not some criminal cheating mastermind or in any position to use them maliciously. I never used them to that effect because, for the billionth time… YOU DO NOT NEED CHEATS TO PLAY THE GAME THE WAY I DO. 

So, again, I apologize for having these cheats. I never did, and never have, intended to use them to harm the RP environment on Diverge. Proudly, despite the many bizarre reasons members of this community have submitted to dislike me for, none are because I beat you in a gun fight, or found you hiding in a bush and had the police arrest you, or had your steam ID before staff came and grabbed it.

All that to say, they were injected. I never wanted to, and never did, use them in any way shape or form. My excuse is outlined at least 4 times in previous posts, but the rule is clear enough that there is no room for dispute and no excuse could challenge it. This is an apology, and I am truly sorry.

Ayden it's rather funny how when people disagree with you, you resort to insults or attempts to take stabs at them when you know you're in the wrong especially when it comes to cheating. Furthermore, all that this action shows is that you are rather insecure when facing a challenge you can't use an unfair advantage such as cheats to overcome. 

 

Now since that's out of the way, you are stating this isn't an appeal for your ban? Even though this is a clear APPEAL that you typed stating "I am humbly coming to the UA to ask for some leniency" as well as "If granted the opportunity to be unbanned". Those lines sure make it sound like an appeal to me and I am fairly confident everyone else who has read this will interpret that as well. Not to mention you are still stating that "In certain instances, cheating in an online experience is wrong." When playing an online game it is wrong to cheat bottom line end of story. There is no instance that changes this! This statement made by you shows clear intent to continue to cheat by the fact you are stating that if you feel justified in any instance to cheat you can and will cheat. Furthermore claiming that "I never wanted to, and never did, use them in any way shape or form" brings up two questions. 

 

First, then why did you have the cheats in the first place if you “never wanted to”?

 

The answer is clearly that you “never wanted to” get caught and never thought you would other wise you wouldn't have had them in the first place.

 

Second, how did they see you using them in a Diverge VC exactly if “you never did”? 

 

The answer to that is simply that “you never did” play without them as you stated above when stating you'd used them for 8 years. 

 

As I stated before Cheating is Cheating, and it shouldn't be done in any multiplayer environment. To accept your appeal which is exactly what this is regardless of your attempt to claim it’s an apology would be to accept the appeal of someone who has made it clear he has every intention to continue to cheat by his own words and admissions. As such I implore UA to uphold this ban and deny this Appeal in its entirety.

 

[ayden]

36 minutes ago, ONeil said:

Ayden it's rather funny how when people disagree with you, you resort to insults or attempts to take stabs at them when you know you're in the wrong especially when it comes to cheating. Furthermore, all that this action shows is that you are rather insecure when facing a challenge you can't use an unfair advantage such as cheats to overcome. 

 

Now since that's out of the way, you are stating this isn't an appeal for your ban? Even though this is a clear APPEAL that you typed stating "I am humbly coming to the UA to ask for some leniency" as well as "If granted the opportunity to be unbanned". Those lines sure make it sound like an appeal to me and I am fairly confident everyone else who has read this will interpret that as well. Not to mention you are still stating that "In certain instances, cheating in an online experience is wrong." When playing an online game it is wrong to cheat bottom line end of story. There is no instance that changes this! This statement made by you shows clear intent to continue to cheat by the fact you are stating that if you feel justified in any instance to cheat you can and will cheat. Furthermore claiming that "I never wanted to, and never did, use them in any way shape or form" brings up two questions. 

 

First, then why did you have the cheats in the first place if you “never wanted to”?

 

The answer is clearly that you “never wanted to” get caught and never thought you would other wise you wouldn't have had them in the first place.

 

Second, how did they see you using them in a Diverge VC exactly if “you never did”? 

 

The answer to that is simply that “you never did” play without them as you stated above when stating you'd used them for 8 years. 

 

As I stated before Cheating is Cheating, and it shouldn't be done in any multiplayer environment. To accept your appeal which is exactly what this is regardless of your attempt to claim it’s an apology would be to accept the appeal of someone who has made it clear he has every intention to continue to cheat by his own words and admissions. As such I implore UA to uphold this ban and deny this Appeal in its entirety.

 

Without insulting you, the answer to ever question you pose in this reply is answered in my previous responses. Like not just one or two- like ALL of them. Your intent with your original response was to discredit the appeal im making. Not to add anything substantive, but throw more of the same wood onto a very awkward fire simply because you do not like me, and that has been clear for quite a while. 

To address something you mentioned which was unique to your responses: You often say that when I am challenged I resort to insults, and I do concede that I have this unfortunate condition where if I see someone being an idiot or saying something that doesn’t make sense, I call them an idiot and tell them it doesn’t make sense. I apologize if you hear this from me more than others. 

Edit: I apologize, I almost let you get away with this. How can you insinuate this isn’t an appeal because it contains an apology rather than a dispute? They aren’t mutually exclusive and I am forming the appeal as an apology, because it’s permitted in the format. Further, you once more mention that I said I would cheat again. Throughout this appeal I have said, “I will not do it again” or some variation of that 10+ times at this point. To overlook those is purposefully misleading.

Edited Sunday at 11:46 AM by ayden
This guy is an idiot and nothing he says makes sense.

[Bear]

+1 Ayden has had a massive impact to legal RP on this server, would be a shame losing someone like that to something like this. even a temp ban would be fair

[Pendred]

Your ban appeal has been reviewed and denied.

We have determined this ban to be reasonable and/or justified.

Even if you had off the bat apologised instead of trying to make silly excuses and not take responsibility, this isn't something you can just be like "sorry won't do it again" because there's no real way for us to know if you continue or not.

Maybe in a couple of months you can re-appeal, or make a demonstration in another way that you won't do it again.

Ensure you have read our Server Rules.