Flag Appeal

[Cookie Baker]

Your Name: HarryB^

SteamID: STEAM_0:0:65488

Staff Member involved: jj

What flags were blacklisted from you?: PET

Reason for blacklist (if given): having spawned in a double decker parking dupe that jj said was propblocking the parking itself, but I had fixed all the issues with it 

Why should they be returned?: I just wanted to do something cool with it and show it off to the guys who were offering to give me a job for doing it right

I specifically made the dupe impossible to fuck with physically without actually taking out your own physgun and fucking with it from underneath, and even then it still takes a substantial amount of effort to actually fuck it up; the dupe cannot explode cars, it cannot crush players, it cannot crush cars, it cannot have cars fall over from on top of it, it cannot be used to escape or avoid roleplay (the way the actual lift works uses buttons from the toolgun options so you can use the machine from on the lift, the second floor or ground level) and I made sure to make it as realistic as possible in adding pistons and piston bases, I thought it would be really neat for making it functionally appropriate but jj didn't like it period

I won't use this dupe again, I use my pet flags for so much other shit that I genuinely need so please don't take it as a spite or any kind of dicking around, I just thought it would be better after I fixed all of the issues

[JJ_]

Heres the context to the flag blacklist,

Yesterday I saw you put up a dupe which blocked off the parking areas of little italy. Despite your priors for prop misusage I had decided to be lenient and simply tell you to delete it and not paste it again. Which you agreed to and promptly did.

THEN, just a day later, today, you pasted the SAME dupe also in little italy, ALSO blocked a property and parking area within little italy. Considering your POs and the fact that just the day before I had told you not to place that very dupe I believed that blacklisting your flags would be a completely valid punishment.

Additionally, after I had taken your flags another administrator came to me and said that in a separate incident (whether it was before or after our initial discussion I dont know) in which you had placed this same dupe once again blocking a parking area of little italy. And in this situation someone WAS crushed and killed.

[Cookie Baker]

I spent around 3 or 4 hours fixing all the quirks on this thing in the back alley of hardware, Nubs and somespy saw it and even tried it themselves but of course neither of them encouraged the thing's use without official approval/endorsement by someone up there, but they know I was doing my best with this thing to make sure it would be alright ICly

 

 

[Cookie Baker]

50 minutes ago, JJ_ said:

Heres the context to the flag blacklist,

Yesterday I saw you put up a dupe which blocked off the parking areas of little italy. Despite your priors for prop misusage I had decided to be lenient and simply tell you to delete it and not paste it again. Which you agreed to and promptly did.

THEN, just a day later, today, you pasted the SAME dupe also in little italy, ALSO blocked a property and parking area within little italy. Considering your POs and the fact that just the day before I had told you not to place that very dupe I believed that blacklisting your flags would be a completely valid punishment.

Additionally, after I had taken your flags another administrator came to me and said that in a separate incident (whether it was before or after our initial discussion I dont know) in which you had placed this same dupe once again blocking a parking area of little italy. And in this situation someone WAS crushed and killed.

No such instance has occurred, I was there for the entire existence of this contraption and this thing cannot kill anybody

If you're taking about the instance where some moron (the day you told me to delete the contraption before) had driven his car off the parking plane and ragdolled somebody, I myself couldn't tell if that person died or not but I accept responsibility for the stupid action regardless

 

50 minutes ago, JJ_ said:

THEN, just a day later, today, you pasted the SAME dupe also in little italy, ALSO blocked a property and parking area within little italy. Considering your POs and the fact that just the day before I had told you not to place that very dupe I believed that blacklisting your flags would be a completely valid punishment.

 

The dupe was heavily modified the day after, which is not to say it doesn't take up at least some space for the support beams, but two things must be noted;

1. The modifications were entirely to enhance the overall safety; I made it impossible for anything to be destroyed or blown up with the lift, and I made it impossible to crush players underneath either by the platforms or a moron trying to throw his car off the platform.

2. it takes up so little that it shouldn't affect parking aside from the platform's space, especially considering the fact that this is a double decker parking seeking to increase the overall capacity of parking in the areas it can be placed

 

The amount of effort I put into this duplication is already punishment enough that I can't use it, especially since all I was seeking to do was make something cool. I don't block things on purpose, I don't break things on purpose. If I absolutely cannot put down the dupe, I accept that, but please don't make this into a permanent situation over something I really tried to make work. If it just doesn't go, I won't make it. I asked several times for staff to test my machine and ensure it can safely handle cars and whatever else staff might think this parking platform can endure. 

I EVEN made sure that the underground pistons did not clip into anything underneath or propblock anything. Also, every single moving part except the two individual lift platforms are no collided to make sure nothing bangs around and nobody can just stuff their shit through the machine and mess it up.

Not that you owe me one, but you didn't give me any kind chance to show you how it works or how well it could have worked. I did my best in the realms of in and out of character to make sure this was a plausible dupe, but but I will HAPPILY take no for an answer for what dozens of other awesome things I can do with my pet flags. I really don't seek to abuse or hurt anybody's fun with them.

[adam]

Despite you doing all of these "precautions" on your end, at the end of the day, staff have final discretion. You are VERY much aware of this, as you've been told countless times by multiple members of the staff team. You were told to not place this exact dupe, but then 24 hours later, you do it again, seemingly under the impression because a staff member said no previously, you'll just ask again and if they say yes, you may. If a staff member tells you no, the final answer is no. 

 

Your flag appeal has been reviewed and denied.

We have determined this blacklist to be reasonable and/or justified.

Ensure you have read our Server Rules.

Edited 6 hours ago by adam