Perma appeal

[Chief Sosa]

Your Character or Steam Name: Suburb Aphiliated

Your SteamID (Click to retrieve):  STEAM_0:1:69780698

Your Discord ID#: 666780178290311175

Reason for ban: Metagame | Po's

Length of ban: Permanent

Reason for appeal (dispute/apology): Dispute 

Why should you be unbanned? Once again I was not brought into a staff sit instead I just finished a drug deal after getting off of my cop char and then I was met with a ban screen. After a second of confusion I dm'd Byte and I asked what did I do was metagame. He then showed me this clip https://medal.tv/games/garrys-mod/clips/iX8bEwWKAsQ7E2a5C?invite=cr-MSxKZnosNzcyMjcyMTEs and im not even going to question why it took him almost 3 days to check logs. He further explained that the reason it was metagame was because I stopped an rp scenario of an arrest because the black man who is ix-crazy-xi eluded to me giving him the gun on a different char (that same char is pk'd and deleted) and if I had pursued an arrest then the gun would have come back to Alfonso Varese which would lead to a warrant on myself. That's saying if I even wanted to pursue a warrant to be begin with and throughout being a member of PD I rarely do unless the person in possession of the illegal firearm is going into court. 

Yes I do know ix-crazy OOC'ly as he is a friend of mine, but Byte assumed that I was enacting a legitimate firearms license check when in reality I did not want to pursue anything from the beginning. I was merely breaking balls since I knew he 100% did not have a license and neither could he afford it. The way that I insinuated that it was not a real stop was by giving the fake callout "black nigger with a gun" and then once he said "Do you want to see were I got it from" I played along and left him alone. If it had been a real rp scenario he would have just shot me or I would have immediately drawn my gun and pointed it at him as I do with multiple same case scenarios especially since he was masked up and actively brandishing the scorpion.  

Even if I had arrested him and pulled finger prints from the gun, I do not understand how I would be able to charge myself with the crime of possessing an illegal firearm because I think it would have been voided by conflict of interest and power game. Even if I'm found to be in the wrong the ban length being permanent for something so small and no one getting hurt is an over reaction and byte knows it. Especially since he didn't even bother immediately acting upon it once the ticket was made and instead waiting 3 days to look at logs. 

Additional Information (images, videos, etc): There is not much more for me to say other than the ban on ix-crazy was not necessary either.  

[Byte]

Hi, banning admin here! Let's go through this point by point together.
 

44 minutes ago, Chief Sosa said:

Once again I was not brought into a staff sit

Yes, you were not brought into a staff sit. Why? There was no reason too. I had taken the time to collect the evidence confirming what had happened. As you already explained here, it was someone you admitted to knowing OOCly that you gave a firearm too illegally. This was already confirmed during my investigation and would have just been reiterated during a sit. 
 

44 minutes ago, Chief Sosa said:

He then showed me this clip https://medal.tv/games/garrys-mod/clips/iX8bEwWKAsQ7E2a5C?invite=cr-MSxKZnosNzcyMjcyMTEs and im not even going to question why it took him almost 3 days to check logs.

Yes, that is this clip here which was given during the initial report. In it, you approach who was identified as @ix_crazy_xi while consulting with other staff who recognized him. The reason it took two days, not three, is because with your history I knew this could turn into this, a permanent ban so I did my due diligence. During that time I uncovered quit a bit of unsavory evidence.

First, it was in fact your other char (Alphonso "Neph" Varese) that gave his char (Bobo Salamon) the Skorpion as confirmed with these logs here.

Second, I ensured I checked both that i had the correct name and char ID before checking if he had a valid class 3 license. Confirming the correct char here and firearms registry here.

So, after confirming that you knew he was illegally carrying that gun and then calling off the RP after you knew it would get back your other char; that is the definition of metagame.

Straight from our own rules page for rule abbreviations - "Metagame = Using Out of Character information In-Character"

 

44 minutes ago, Chief Sosa said:

Byte assumed that I was enacting a legitimate firearms license check when in reality I did not want to pursue anything from the beginning

In this server it is common knowledge, practice, and enforced that anything over voice unless in a staff sit is always apart of RP and to be considered IC and can be acted upon as. In this clip you are not in a staff sit. You are clearly in RP in front of the Continental hotel.

 

44 minutes ago, Chief Sosa said:

I was merely breaking balls since I knew he 100% did not have a license

This again is by definition metagame.

 

44 minutes ago, Chief Sosa said:

I do not understand how I would be able to charge myself with the crime of possessing an illegal firearm because I think it would have been voided by conflict of interest and power game

You would not be the one pressing charges, the DA's office would be. At that point it would be out of your hands as soon as an investigation is opened. You have been around long enough, played cop long enough you know this is not the situation. Also, is not power game. It is RP being brought about from IC interactions, not someone forcing you into RP by planting evidence or false reports.
 

44 minutes ago, Chief Sosa said:

Even if I'm found to be in the wrong the ban length being permanent for something so small and no one getting hurt is an over reaction and byte knows it

Quite frankly it is not an over reaction. It is the result of you knowing the rules and repeatedly breaking them countless times over and now facing consequences for them. You were already permabanned before in the past and was granted grace to return to the server. Even after your return, you have continued to RDM, promote others RDMing, and metagaming on multiple occasions.

Here and here, is your list of notes. You will see on this list you have multiple counts of metagame. Those multiple counts of metagame start to look even worse when you look at your ban history which can be found here. You came back from your permaban and continued to metagame, get banned for it repeatedly and even RDM and get banned for it repeatedly. You have been given countless chances to show us you have learned from your mistakes and to become a valued member of this community yet have continuously failed to do so. Your actions have escalating consequences in this community and unfortunately you have now reached the highest level potential rehabilitation we can offer to players for the second time.

Edited October 29 by Byte

[handsome]

+1 give him a chance seems like a good guy

[Smokey]

Wouldn't him taking the firearm off of ix_crazy_xi then get both of them in more trouble for item transfer? Since both of Big sosa's chars would've touched the firearm, and that would then make ix_crazy_xi the middleman in that situation.

[Fritz]

+1 It was only once he realized that his other character was involved he left the situation; while that may have been OOC information, and it did act slightly for his own benefit, there is a longstanding de facto rule that police do not investigate their other characters and DAs don't prosecute their other characters. There was a conflict of interest in this situation which clearly made it inappropriate for the player to continue engaging in the RP situation, there is no reason that he should be punished as he was simply following the longstanding rule of not interacting with your other characters, which he also could have been punished for if he continued the investigation, which would also lead to him being banned because of his POs. Secondly, as Smokey points out, besides the conflict of interest principle that has been clearly laid out and enforced, if Chief Sosa continued this RP situation and arrested his Out-of-Character friend and took his firearm as would be proper and standard procedure in a case like this, he would be transferring the firearm from one of his characters to another via the arrest, and benefiting from giving the firearm to the evidence locker in exchange for in-game money. 

For these two clear and substantiated reasons, one of which draws upon long-standing rules that affect police and DA characters, thereby affecting him at the moment, and the second being that if he did not call off the RP interaction he would be committing a greater offense by transferring items to another one of his characters for his own benefit, I believe that this ban should be completely lifted and the note removed.

 

@Aiden Why don't you retort instead of just calling me dumb?

[James]

If we look at your last perma ban it said that you would be unbanned with the stipulation that you don't get banned again, you got banned 5 more times, in my opinion, you should have already been permabanned, so this not being a major rule break doesn't mean much it's just the straw that broke the camels back. You have repeatedly shown us that you don't want to play this server seriously so there is no point letting you come back.

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