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I wrote the orders on you. first off, you retired over OOC shit saying Gmod isnt for you anymore before we could even ask you what was going on. We never gave you approval to retire. You just left. Weeks go by, and you are saying you want to come back, which means you havent been paying into anything for the weeks you left. Then you flat out told our Head Enforcer that if we dont let you back in you will mug or kill HC to get what you want. You said this in the city to him IC and it was clipped. Which is why we moved forward with the PK. You accept the risks of death when you enter this thing. There is even a little notification you agree to when you join.

You dont get it twin he was manipulated it couldn't have been his fault

i didnt know cucking was a reason to pk someone but if you look at it technically i guess this could fall under disrespecting middle command but even then that would require a couple sit downs

nothing to do with IC, but alr twin

you died for pussy twin, hope the epuss was worth it

i didnt even mention alts fuck nigga

Thanks for the TDLR monaclu has a yap problem

tldr its because we don’t have a 1 crim 1 legal char system. people don’t wanna risk the stuff they have had for a while so they use alts to not risk anything major.

Hi, I'm so glad you asked. There's a lot of nuance that goes into it, and I'll focus on the player perspective rather than the staff perspective for the most part. Generally speaking, muggers are not actual longstanding characters who gravitate towards intense actual real RP. For instance, take a streetboss. Would a streetboss mug someone? Some would, but most of them wont. Would a kapo? Some would, most wont. In these roles, theres an extreme necessity to maintain your character so you can keep RP going smoothly within your faction. You're important. Your loss is devastating. Even for people who are associates who are high earners, and do a lot of restaraunt RP and RP with other factions, the loss is devastating. What *typically* happens, is muggers are people who dont care if they are pked at all. Like, when was the last time ever in the last 3 years, have you seen a mugger appeal getting pked? You haven't. Typically, they just dont give half a shit. And you might say, "Well, they know that they are cooked." But so do the people who break fear RP. It's cut and dry. Open and shut. Same with dons orders. But they all try to claw their way, bend the rules trying to get unpked. The only group that tends not to actually even care enough to appeal are people who mainly mug. Because the work that goes into re-obtaining your wealth is literally getting a pistol and a friend. For non muggers, its rebuilding, running drugs for weeks, doing actual RP to re-establish themselves in the community, oftentimes theres a rank restriction for upper faction members. It's very out of balance. Now, is that to say all muggers are like this? Obviously not. You have plenty of actual, real players who really RP a lot who do muggings. Take for instance, the colombos. Very dedicated players, very good RP. Some of them still mug. I've seen higher ranking colombos mug, to send a message. To gain something. It's relevant to their RP, they're not just "me want suit, me rob 12 people." When they're not mugging, which is often, they're doing actual roleplay and embellishing themselves into the community. Shout out colombos Also, to consider, even in instances in which someone isn't a mugging character , i.e. they've been around for a month and havent touched mugging at all, and then decide to mug, there's still a massive perceived power imbalance. Who do muggers target? People with the nicest suits. Oftentimes, its characters that are months and months, if not years old. The risk for the mugger is seen as much smaller. Now, from a staff perspective, that doesn't matter at all. But to the community, it matters a lot. From the staff perspective, our job is to try and balance the community perspective with the fairness of the rules. So we assess a lot of things when we decide whether or not someone who is mugging a lot is actually doing stuff that would justify them mugging so much. Are they roleplaying? Are they well established? We'll watch them, keep an eye on them. If all they do when they're not mugging is minge and be a retard and not actually put any real effort into roleplaying, then obviously its an extreme problem. Because you tip the scale to "Worthless" in terms of cultivating a really nice roleplay environment. Obviously, people mugging is fine. I actually encourage mugging. I think it keeps things generally fun for players, and adds actual risk. Same with police existing. Obviously, you need risk from other criminals and police otherwise this game is just cookie clicker. Pick up drugs, sell, rinse repeat until you can get a really cool suit and walk around town. That's boring. Nobody wants to admit it, but the police and hostile criminal RP is incredibly important to the experience of the player. But, in your case, you were more of the "Worthless" category.

start mugging everyone you see in a alleyway and see how many people you can get banned for metagame

Name of Character: Silvio Corleone Character ID: 178116 SteamID: 76561198894711389 Your Discord ID#: thomasvillano Date of PK: 11/25/25 Reason for PK: Allegedly leaving the faction Why should you be unPK'd? What server rule or PK rule was violated?: Put in a retirement to focus on OOC issues, was kicked from all related discords with no communication, decided to come back and continue playing, got a message in discord to meet up in an apartment for a meeting, and died. I never left the faction in any capacity and I'm aware I was disliked by HC towards the end of my character's life due to OOC drama and I feel as though that contributed to the events of today. The Cassanos have a long history of killing members with no logical IC evidence or reasoning. If possible please provide video evidence or photo evidence if PK does not follow the guidelines:

People hate it because you can lose items and suffer character destruction. People are punished for breaking the rules around mugging (which there are many) because each mug and the context behind it is generally nuanced. Using it to target people for pks (engaging with it in bad faith) using alt characters to mug avoiding all risk, only mugging and not roleplaying as a symptom of dark rp brain. Mugging is an integral part of criminal aspects of the server and even as controversial as it is or has been it remains a part of the game, but it has recognizably flawed attributes which are mediated and covered by rules. Engage with it properly and don't be surprised if you get banned for breaking a rule. Placing a bounty and incentivising people to mug someone where the explicit goal (incentive) is to get that person pked? (Circumventing roleplay and mass target mugging them in hopes they make a mistake and get penalized) The very nature and goal being to inflict harm and ruin the other persons roleplay. People will be understandably upset if they feel they were subject to unfair, ooc motivated, non rp driven targetting

It usually depends on who you mug and how I've personally mugged a few people and I don't think anyone hates me for it lol? It's usually hated when all you do is mug or make it your "personality" in the server, mugging someone once in a blue moon is fine but just doing it multiple times a week, is to me absurd

This was on my to do before u made this but ill move it to accepted regardless

@Canadian-bacon

Mugging has been a staple in diverge for years. If we cant mug people why is it in the server? Even if you follow all in game rules you still get hit for things because its so disliked Mugging is a part of roleplay, if you never had a risk going into the ghetto, what's the point of there being a ghetto?

There is not much to elaborate, when a part of City Workers at nighttime, there are no jobs that get assigned to you.

Name of Character: Chris two shits amato Character ID: 184236 SteamID: https://steamcommunity.com/id/Trapwalker/ Your Discord ID#: chris.443 Date of PK: 11/25/2025 Reason for PK: failmug. Why should you be unPK'd? What server rule or PK rule was violated?: My intentions were not to mug or partake in the mugging, i was merely just standing by and watching and observing. i was not trying to partake in the mugging as i was really just along for the ride and merely seeing what was going on. Again this is my first time playing the game so i don't know what was going on and really was just watching and witnessing. for i had worked real hard to make a grind and join my current faction and i feel i was falsely lead into this trap that now led to me being PKed.

You are not banned so you can join your character was permanently killed for that though

He got PKed not banned, he was mistaken

Your Character or Steam Name: Chris two shits amato/ walker #godlovesyou Your SteamID: https://steamcommunity.com/id/Trapwalker/ Your Discord ID#: chris.443 Reason for ban: failmug. Length of ban: 1 day Reason for appeal (dispute/apology): so im sorry for failing this but idk what im doing, i was on a ride along to see how a mugging works but it went wrong? again im new so idk what i was doing and i thought who was showing me was doing it right, id really just like to get back to playing and having fun please, Why should you be unbanned? i just really wish to play and grind, but i will never do it again, considering how it went im never gonna mug a person ever again. Additional Information (images, videos, etc): https://medal.tv/games/garrys-mod/clips/lA1Je59IHjS65oF1P?invite=cr-MSxQbkksNDA0Njc0NDg2&v=30 again was only on a ride along this is not my clip but the one of me with my friend that was showing me.

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I don't think i was involved in the mug or fail mug. even if i was there i was only there on a ride along seeing what was being done and how it worked, though i guess i was shown wrong of how it went down. i did go to read the rules of it but idk anything of mugging and never gonna do it again. right now i just wish to go back to playing and like to have fun pls?

im new so idk what i was doing and was only doing what was told.

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