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You need to have pager contacts, no? I am talking about conveying information to unknown people near me. Why are you being so obtuse about this?

Use the in game pager system if you need to privately share things?

Kind of shocked you're not for it. This frees up the text box for RP and minimizes the spam of OOC that caused the global OOC to be taken away. LOOC having a WOOC (I titled the post OOCW but WOOC makes more sense due to the formatting of LOOC) means that much OOC banter/chat is tucked away on top of protecting certain OOC information you don't want shared with everyone around you. Maybe I don't want the guy in the next room to know that I'm leaving for work but I do want the guy next to me to. I know "Pager" is a big element and tie-in to the City but I figured encouraging people to stay locked-in and not constantly DM people on Discord to convey messages out of character.

Clearly, we have a fundamental disagreement with what should and shouldn't be openly shared in the middle of Roleplay. The entire point of this suggestion is so that we are not publicly sharing Pager information. The person's personal Discord is obviously included with that. Especially since text goes through walls/floors.

Oftentimes, in criminal enterprises, the actual selling of drugs is done through a system of dead drops. So, on the server, I think it'd be really cool to reflect that, and I have some fun twists to balance cops and criminals in this case. A dead drop, in the server, would just be a box that can be placed ONLY INSIDE of actual properties. Therefore, using the box would have direct risk of getting a property seized. There could be up to 3 dead drop boxes/lockers inside a property at once. These would be used by criminals to perform crew deals without having to meet up with eachother. This might seemed overpowered at first, so there's some things that would be used to balance the risk and reward of such a system. Firstly, the boxes/lockers should only be able to be accessed by the party who owns the box when it hits *capacity*. This would discourage use for every day drug deals - i.e. your average rumour trades of 5 or less. You could additionally restrict it to having to be 2 or more lockers filled before access is granted to the property owners. Secondly, the boxes could only be placed *inside* of properties. I.e. inside of your legal property, thats attached to one of your guys' names. If the property is raided for these dead drops, then all of the drugs inside would be attached to your properties. This is an added risk that actually sets properties as valid targets, that *can* finally be seized for conduct, as currently its very rare that a property is seized. Thirdly, restrict the boxes to only drugs. That way joe shmo can't fill it up with random items to hit capacity to let the property access it. Tactics for criminals: Obviously the risk would be high. However, there's a good reason to do it. You dont directly get caught if it goes to shit. Your properties at risk, but your men are safe. You can rebuild, maybe get the property back. Most factions have 2 properties, one they use and one they dont. The risk would be losing a property you're probably not even using. Additionally, you could restrict it with other factions to be only used by HC of other factions. So, if your doing a deal with Cassanos, have a capo+ deliver the product. They gather it on their side, and the associates who could be police dont know where it goes unless they do some actual detective work to implicate it. (i.e. follow them, gain access themselves, etc). Tactics for police: While it may be more difficult to get into crew deals, there's still possibilities to do so. Gaining access or information somehow of these dead drops and their usage. This would restrict their warrants to literally the time that the drop happens, reducing ability of associates to metagame or randomly "guess" that a crew deals going on in a room, causing a raid, because there's "a bunch of people in there". You could get into it somehow inside the criminal organization, you could track the movements of the person who receives all of the drugs, you could somehow get someone to snitch on it. Then, when you have evidence and a warrant, all you gotta do is raid it and get the boxes unlocked. Technicalities of the boxes: The boxes should only be accessible to take stuff out by the faction members of the faction. Additionally, a passcode would be on the box to restrict random associates from being able to see whats inside, like normal lockers. The boxes should be a "Put in only" system for non faction members. This, of course, would be monitored for powergame like normal. The aspect of powergame wouldn't change, because people are able to powergame with or without these boxes. There's no increased risk, and normal monitoring for powergame can occur. The boxes should be restricted to having stuff taken out only if the box is filled, and the person is a member of the faction and has the code The boxes should be restricted to 3-5 boxes per building *in addition to* the normal lockers/boxes that the properties currently have (or still restrict it to 5 total i dont care) The boxes should be restricted to specific kinds of items, as selected by the owning faction. i.e. drugs, guns or clothes

/looc "hey whats your discord"

P.S. I am not going to start complaining and making player reports in Discord or the Forums. Trying to do @ reports already gets me ignored and mocked for just trying to play legit. And I hate snitching. Hate gathering evidence. Hate the whole process. It's not why I'm here. My hopes are some of you will find that spark and log in for the sauce once again.

Can we please RP again? Cut it out with your "cousins" somehow "hearing" about the beef you have with people? Cut down the harassment and chalked up, fabricated reasons to beef. Can't some of you drum up enough creativity to at least justify the shit you start with people without having to lie, metagame, and social engineer by skirting the rules? Just making a plea for some of you to play in good faith and actually RP. There's a reason you came to the City and stayed. We can be diplomatic. We don't have to like each other or even hate each other OOCly to love and hate ICly. Just please, play your characters. I'm so sick of hearing brainrot memes, modern vernacular, and constantly being harassed over dumb shit. Even this right here, pleading for basic decency is going to catch me a ton of flak. I just know it. I'm an RP nerd. It's the only reason I'm here. That's the only reason anyone should need to want to be here or deserve to be here. I agree to follow the rules, which was implicit in my willingness to stay and play for as long as I have. What's the motivation for anything else if not just to troll and harass people to satisfy your egos? Enlighten me, since I'm such a dumbass apparently. tl;dr Hey guys, wanna maybe RP again when you log in the City? Thanks.

Explosives already exist. Extremely risky and extremely rare/near impossible to get your hands on. They only show up, from my experience, when conflicts heat up. They require Admin permission to even use, from my understanding. -1 because it already exists

Surprised this wasn't already baked in, but thinking and looking back- it definitely doesn't exist (yet). Big +1 Like Davis said, just good common sense and fair.

Buddy, you can 100% pick up unconscious bodies. What are you even saying? The speed still decreases for the killer who carries a body. He wants the same thing to happen for unconscious people, who can still be dragged like they always have been able to. Why do so many of you fucking retards knee jerk and say shit without thinking it through?

+1 great idea ngl

How exactly am I supposed to DM somebody that I don't know, on the fly, to convey something that's OOC (such as a DIscord invite)? Or explain that "Pager" means "Discord" without others seeing or having it clog up the text that has people RPing? Am I seriously crazy here or are you just doing the famous snarky gaslight and overlooking something you're not taking into consideration? Genuinely asking.

They are already in the server, just not in any rackets. not these types of bombs but they have land mines, lunge mines, rocket launchers, molotovs, etc.

+1 common sense

This system does this when calculating things like bail, denying bail if you have too many charges. Adding this function as a means to somehow deter minges doesn't make sense since a minge will simply make a new character and repeat being arrested. I can add charges so if there's missing charges consult with PD HC or bingus/mecli and they can communicate with me to have charges added. I think having arbitrary restrictions to a character to add more and more charges sort of just discourages the existence of long term criminal characters so there's no real reason and the officer/state/judge can just manually look up a person's records and modify the charges based on that... doesn't need to be automatic and remove the RP

This has been done and should now be reflected on the form.

you're unaffiliated and im a gangster. fuck you nigga tell the courts you never said that shit or die? "why dont you bribe them?" gay take

I like the idea but feel like there needs to be a time limit put on it. Further, there should be escalations put in place before just going "talk and you die" where most real mobs would try to just bribe them away since collaboration is often more effective than fear especially when used in conjunction. Just a thought.

Your ban appeal has been reviewed and accepted. The ban will be reduced to 4 days.

after 4 years, with almost 3 days playtime I dont see any reason to assume that you *dont* know the rules, but 14 days is also really long. Reduced to 4.

This is a really informing and genuinely nice forum post to read, that brings evidence and examples of previous incidents and how the roleplaying experience can be improved, with this rule change as well it is balanced and wouldn't cause harm to the current state of play on the server. Prime example of how to make change in a positive way! TLDR: Massive +1 to this.

you can dm players to convey OOC shit. If you're not allowed to DM them something, you're definitely not allowed to use LOOC to say it.

Hello all, I've discovered kind of a loophole to the whole "Don't work with police, but making statements to cops is fine" pk rules. The current rule states: Which, on its face seems entirely fine. But since we're on the federal rules of evidence in the courts, it creates a stark, immediate issue. Originally, Hearsay was much more restricted. So, a cop hearing a victim say "Hey man that guys stealing my car" (this was a case against me i'm referencing here, guys already dead in an unrelated pk), the officers *can* include that in their affidavits to prove that the victim did have a crime committed against them. So, the current rule being that reporting a crime isnt enough; reporting the crime actually *is* enough to prosecute someone. Their statements can be considered testimony under two rules: FRE 803(1) FRE 803(2) These rules state that hearsay is acceptable and admissible in court if it is: (1) - Present Sense Impression: A statement describing or explaining an event or condition, made while or immediately after the declarant perceived it. (2) - Excited Utterance - A statement relating to a startling event or condition, made while the declarant was under the stress of excitement that it caused. So what does this mean for criminals? Someone yelling out "Officer this guy just killed someone" or "Officer, that guy stole my car" or "Officer he has a gun on him!" is ALL admissible in court. It's all usable. The person need not testify, that *is* usable by the officers' testimony. And the courts can, and always have had the capacity, to convict someone under a singular affidavit (which is debatable considering a previous precedent, but could still reasonably happen right now). My suggestion is very easy to understand. A new addition to the rule. A "Duty to contest". It works very simply. Joe Mecli, a civilian, witnesses someone shoot a guy. He yells out "Officer, that guy shot someone" when he sees a cop, who was not a witness to the actual crime. The officer, having heard the blast, arrests the guy on attempted murder charges or some other charges related (Discharge, Unlawful conduct, yadayada). Well now criminal guy Joe Gambino is in a dicey situation. Joe Gambino, is now allowed, by the rules, that if the testimony of the cop reflects what Joe Mecli said, he can locate Joe Mecli, and threaten him to "Contest". Appear in court and say "Nah that didnt happen". This is the most fair addition to the rule, reflecting the new rules of evidence, and how we deal with witness statements. Now that the DAs office is aware that they can do this shit, they're going to be doing it *a lot*. And there needs to be a balance. The technicality of the rules should be that you have to locate the person in game, Identify them somehow (tie them to the name), and threaten them that they have to get you an affidavit stating the *opposite* before discovery closes. This should be done with at least 24 hours BEFORE discovery closes, as to provide ample time. Then, if they refuse to testify, or they switch sides again on the stand and say its true and the guy is a criminal, the family of that criminal should be able to give orders on the Joe Mecli, the civilian, for snitching. Kind of a long one, but here's my change to the rule I would make: You cannot PK a civilian for simply witnessing or reporting a crime, it's natural for normal civilians to call the Police or report incidents, while you may attack them for this it is not considered a valid PK reason. You may only PK a Civilian if they are actively collaborating with a government agency to take you down, i.e. signing an affidavit or working directly with police beyond the initial report. If their statements to police are later used by police to establish that a crime was committed, you may locate, identify, and threaten the individual in order to write an affidavit contesting that they never made those statements. If they fail to write that affidavit before discovery closes, or refuse to testify thereafter, or testify and state the opposite (thereby further implicating you), you may PK that person.

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