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Was gonna chat didn’t bother in the end. I’m just more confused about this so-called long history we apparently have so if you wanna elaborate on it that would be great. I don’t know how you could comment on that really but go for it.

Aren't you the one who removed me from all of the associated discords and then added me a few days ago wanting to talk, and then ended up never talking to me about whatever the fuck the conversation was going to be.

Going MIA by being kicked, outed and having no way to contact anyone from HC?? Did they want me to fly back home from vacation early just so I can pay a kickup for a faction that removed my access and said nothing to me at all about it. I've been trying to talk to these fucks for days and no IC convos or sit-downs were made until today. And it wasn't even a sit-down at that. Talking in vc to the one guy in cassanos that I have access to and he tells me to hop in game to finish the convo so he can get a clip to send to HC and later dm me to get on after restart and meet him somewhere. The threats are empty, but im tired of mfs dodging me all week while Im trying to figure out wtf happened and no one wants to talk, so yeah threats are the last resort to try and get them to put some kind of sit-down together so we can figure shit out.

“The Cassanos have a history of killing people without logical IC evidence/reasoning” Who even are you you’re tweaking put the cup down

I accepted responsibility for that shit that happened outside the server and apologized to who it affected, regardless it has nothing to do with orders for leaving the faction.

Hey man you were PKed for going MIA, not paying kickups, and threatening members of the family. Now, this PK is different because they did have some evidence against you! I did see a part of the clip where you basically say you're going to mug high command, you have some people that would do it for a certain amount of money, and if you leave, you're gonna take some custom clothing items. This was a threat to them, so these were all the reasons on why you were PKed!

I never even left the faction IC. All one of you had to do was send a fuckin message or request a meeting/sit-down. All of yall have your discord messaging on server-only and no one was responding to fucking friend requests. The fact that I only heard from priest, zq, and paulie in the last two weeks is crazy and none of them mentioned anything other than everyone in the faction hates me. I've heard members talk about retiring and they just left and came back. On top of that how the fuck are you supposed to talk to me when you kick me out of the discord(go check your audit logs) within a day and not even attempt to contact me at all. I've been on my pc here and there apart from going on vacation, but haven't been on gmod since the 13th and today so idk how you want me to pay for the two weeks I was "gone" for. And nice baiting me into that for your clip, I just wanted a sit-down or some kind of resolution after yall kicked me and said absolutely fucking nothing. I didn't have to come back, I already know yall hated me for the drama and the fact that I called you out OOC for being weird, over the bella shit. I know how yall use OOC bias to find ways to kill people IC, you act like I haven't met other people on the server and seen this shit happen in the faction. I mean yall quite literally killed Vinny over OOC drama until he made an appeal to rightfully come back on his char.

I wrote the orders on you. first off, you retired over OOC shit saying Gmod isnt for you anymore before we could even ask you what was going on. We never gave you approval to retire. You just left. Weeks go by, and you are saying you want to come back, which means you havent been paying into anything for the weeks you left. Then you flat out told our Head Enforcer that if we dont let you back in you will mug or kill HC to get what you want. You said this in the city to him IC and it was clipped. Which is why we moved forward with the PK. You accept the risks of death when you enter this thing. There is even a little notification you agree to when you join.

i didnt even mention alts fuck nigga

Thanks for the TDLR monaclu has a yap problem

tldr its because we don’t have a 1 crim 1 legal char system. people don’t wanna risk the stuff they have had for a while so they use alts to not risk anything major.

Hi, I'm so glad you asked. There's a lot of nuance that goes into it, and I'll focus on the player perspective rather than the staff perspective for the most part. Generally speaking, muggers are not actual longstanding characters who gravitate towards intense actual real RP. For instance, take a streetboss. Would a streetboss mug someone? Some would, but most of them wont. Would a kapo? Some would, most wont. In these roles, theres an extreme necessity to maintain your character so you can keep RP going smoothly within your faction. You're important. Your loss is devastating. Even for people who are associates who are high earners, and do a lot of restaraunt RP and RP with other factions, the loss is devastating. What *typically* happens, is muggers are people who dont care if they are pked at all. Like, when was the last time ever in the last 3 years, have you seen a mugger appeal getting pked? You haven't. Typically, they just dont give half a shit. And you might say, "Well, they know that they are cooked." But so do the people who break fear RP. It's cut and dry. Open and shut. Same with dons orders. But they all try to claw their way, bend the rules trying to get unpked. The only group that tends not to actually even care enough to appeal are people who mainly mug. Because the work that goes into re-obtaining your wealth is literally getting a pistol and a friend. For non muggers, its rebuilding, running drugs for weeks, doing actual RP to re-establish themselves in the community, oftentimes theres a rank restriction for upper faction members. It's very out of balance. Now, is that to say all muggers are like this? Obviously not. You have plenty of actual, real players who really RP a lot who do muggings. Take for instance, the colombos. Very dedicated players, very good RP. Some of them still mug. I've seen higher ranking colombos mug, to send a message. To gain something. It's relevant to their RP, they're not just "me want suit, me rob 12 people." When they're not mugging, which is often, they're doing actual roleplay and embellishing themselves into the community. Shout out colombos Also, to consider, even in instances in which someone isn't a mugging character , i.e. they've been around for a month and havent touched mugging at all, and then decide to mug, there's still a massive perceived power imbalance. Who do muggers target? People with the nicest suits. Oftentimes, its characters that are months and months, if not years old. The risk for the mugger is seen as much smaller. Now, from a staff perspective, that doesn't matter at all. But to the community, it matters a lot. From the staff perspective, our job is to try and balance the community perspective with the fairness of the rules. So we assess a lot of things when we decide whether or not someone who is mugging a lot is actually doing stuff that would justify them mugging so much. Are they roleplaying? Are they well established? We'll watch them, keep an eye on them. If all they do when they're not mugging is minge and be a retard and not actually put any real effort into roleplaying, then obviously its an extreme problem. Because you tip the scale to "Worthless" in terms of cultivating a really nice roleplay environment. Obviously, people mugging is fine. I actually encourage mugging. I think it keeps things generally fun for players, and adds actual risk. Same with police existing. Obviously, you need risk from other criminals and police otherwise this game is just cookie clicker. Pick up drugs, sell, rinse repeat until you can get a really cool suit and walk around town. That's boring. Nobody wants to admit it, but the police and hostile criminal RP is incredibly important to the experience of the player. But, in your case, you were more of the "Worthless" category.

start mugging everyone you see in a alleyway and see how many people you can get banned for metagame

Name of Character: Silvio Corleone Character ID: 178116 SteamID: 76561198894711389 Your Discord ID#: thomasvillano Date of PK: 11/25/25 Reason for PK: Allegedly leaving the faction Why should you be unPK'd? What server rule or PK rule was violated?: Put in a retirement to focus on OOC issues, was kicked from all related discords with no communication, decided to come back and continue playing, got a message in discord to meet up in an apartment for a meeting, and died. I never left the faction in any capacity and I'm aware I was disliked by HC towards the end of my character's life due to OOC drama and I feel as though that contributed to the events of today. The Cassanos have a long history of killing members with no logical IC evidence or reasoning. If possible please provide video evidence or photo evidence if PK does not follow the guidelines:

People hate it because you can lose items and suffer character destruction. People are punished for breaking the rules around mugging (which there are many) because each mug and the context behind it is generally nuanced. Using it to target people for pks (engaging with it in bad faith) using alt characters to mug avoiding all risk, only mugging and not roleplaying as a symptom of dark rp brain. Mugging is an integral part of criminal aspects of the server and even as controversial as it is or has been it remains a part of the game, but it has recognizably flawed attributes which are mediated and covered by rules. Engage with it properly and don't be surprised if you get banned for breaking a rule. Placing a bounty and incentivising people to mug someone where the explicit goal (incentive) is to get that person pked? (Circumventing roleplay and mass target mugging them in hopes they make a mistake and get penalized) The very nature and goal being to inflict harm and ruin the other persons roleplay. People will be understandably upset if they feel they were subject to unfair, ooc motivated, non rp driven targetting

It usually depends on who you mug and how I've personally mugged a few people and I don't think anyone hates me for it lol? It's usually hated when all you do is mug or make it your "personality" in the server, mugging someone once in a blue moon is fine but just doing it multiple times a week, is to me absurd

This was on my to do before u made this but ill move it to accepted regardless

@Canadian-bacon

Mugging has been a staple in diverge for years. If we cant mug people why is it in the server? Even if you follow all in game rules you still get hit for things because its so disliked Mugging is a part of roleplay, if you never had a risk going into the ghetto, what's the point of there being a ghetto?

There is not much to elaborate, when a part of City Workers at nighttime, there are no jobs that get assigned to you.

Name of Character: Chris two shits amato Character ID: 184236 SteamID: https://steamcommunity.com/id/Trapwalker/ Your Discord ID#: chris.443 Date of PK: 11/25/2025 Reason for PK: failmug. Why should you be unPK'd? What server rule or PK rule was violated?: My intentions were not to mug or partake in the mugging, i was merely just standing by and watching and observing. i was not trying to partake in the mugging as i was really just along for the ride and merely seeing what was going on. Again this is my first time playing the game so i don't know what was going on and really was just watching and witnessing. for i had worked real hard to make a grind and join my current faction and i feel i was falsely lead into this trap that now led to me being PKed.

You are not banned so you can join your character was permanently killed for that though

He got PKed not banned, he was mistaken

Your Character or Steam Name: Chris two shits amato/ walker #godlovesyou Your SteamID: https://steamcommunity.com/id/Trapwalker/ Your Discord ID#: chris.443 Reason for ban: failmug. Length of ban: 1 day Reason for appeal (dispute/apology): so im sorry for failing this but idk what im doing, i was on a ride along to see how a mugging works but it went wrong? again im new so idk what i was doing and i thought who was showing me was doing it right, id really just like to get back to playing and having fun please, Why should you be unbanned? i just really wish to play and grind, but i will never do it again, considering how it went im never gonna mug a person ever again. Additional Information (images, videos, etc): https://medal.tv/games/garrys-mod/clips/lA1Je59IHjS65oF1P?invite=cr-MSxQbkksNDA0Njc0NDg2&v=30 again was only on a ride along this is not my clip but the one of me with my friend that was showing me.

Your Character or Steam Name: Your SteamID (Click to retrieve): Your Discord ID#: Reason for ban: Length of ban: Reason for appeal (dispute/apology): Why should you be unbanned? Additional Information (images, videos, etc):