PK Appeal

[EngineerGaming]

Name of Character: Sergei Sergeyevich Bodrov

SteamID: 76561198124986301

Your Discord ID#: engineergaming7009

Date of PK: 6/16/2024

Reason for PK: Don's Orders for leaving the faction

Why should you be unPK'd? What server rule or PK rule was violated?: To give the context that I'm sure spaceium would've soon posted, I was an associate of the Kosta's faction that signed a contract with the takahashi to operate as a crew while waiting on our faction application. I got arrested and put in jail awaiting trial, and while I was in jail the Takahashi put out a hit on our NO.2 and broke ties with us. By the time I got released from jail, the Kostas application was rejected and we no longer existed. Our higher ups had a few sit downs to negotiate and in all of them, the Takahashi has said that every Greek has to die. They cut us out, not us. When I got released from jail, I told the admin to put me into civilian cause my faction no longer existed. To call it leaving without permission is like saying a guy whose house got bombed left his home.

The Takahashi broke server rules against metagaming when they sent their member Shepherd to the Police Department to find me. At two points he engaged in metagaming to bait me into the PK. The first was when I switched to a different character because the character that was PKed is a Public Defender and there weren't any people under arrest so I swapped to another character to farm some drugs. Shepherd DMed on discord and said he just saw me and wanted to talk and asked me to hop back on. I did so and then when we talked he used LOOC to convince me that the takahashi not only didn't have a PK ready on me but had been denied it on all former Greeks. After he said this, he left and shortly afterwards a Takahashi hitman came to the police department, lockpicked through the door and PKed me. The time difference between Shepherds visit and a hitman who knew exactly where I was arriving makes it clear that he sent the hitman or at least informed someone else who sent him. The chain of actions here is a higher up coming up to a person they want to hit, using LOOC to lie and say that its impossible for them to be hit, and then sending a hitman. LOOC was used to trick me and make me not expect a hit. That is a violation of metagaming rules. There is a pattern of behavior here as the previous Greek hit was done by calling Iris to a meeting over discord and then killing her once she arrived at that meeting. The entire situation started from Takahashi higher ups being mad over "disrespect" in OOC communications and breaking our contract several times. This PK should be overturned so that it doesn't set the precedent that you can use LOOC or other OOC communication methods to trick someone, any deception should be done in character. We shouldn't reward metagaming behavior that ruins roleplay.

If possible please provide video evidence or photo evidence if PK does not follow the guidelines: Both cited examples are screenshotted and attached as files below

[Toast]

Hi, I am the one who oversaw your PK. There were Dons Orders issued after you left the Japs to become an Intern within the government. The guy who was carrying out the PK saw you in PD and then you swapped characters to which he messaged you to come back onto your character, he didn't do anything that would be considered metagaming. There was nothing gained from him spotting you in PD and messaging you on Discord. He found out your location, and you swapped back onto the character and then ultimately ended up dying. If you choose to leave a faction without permission then you run the risk of being PKed.

[Thinner]

Hello, Im the guy who shot and killed you, Shepherd. First: You left the japs, even tho you were under kostas, you were still apart of us and Spacieum has made that clear many times. Also, not sure how you would've known that the NO.2 in Greeks was pked, you we're in a court trial and we could only contact you through the legal ticket system in our discord, which we didn't mention anything about the Greek hit. Also, I said the "they said no" OOCly and it didn't really affect the PK at all, I didn't "bait" you into one cause you sat in PD for so long I still had to lockpick my way in and shoot you which is risky as hell. Also you said ICly "I think your organization placed a hit on me" And I replied ICly "No we cant" lying to you ICly and then I explained why OOCly. So even if you did come out, the "lie" was also IC, I just explained it OOCly. Also me telling you "i just saw you and tried talking to you but you left lol, hop back in city" Isn't metagame, I just told you to get back into the city, thats all. Overall, nothing OOC affected this PK and it was all IC shit, you we're with us, and then you left. You we're still under Takahashi and so we're the Greeks. Sorry I had to PK you but I gotta yk.

[EngineerGaming]

36 minutes ago, Thinner said:

Hello, Im the guy who shot and killed you, Shepherd. First: You left the japs, even tho you were under kostas, you were still apart of us and Spacieum has made that clear many times. Also, not sure how you would've known that the NO.2 in Greeks was pked, you we're in a court trial and we could only contact you through the legal ticket system in our discord, which we didn't mention anything about the Greek hit. Also, I said the "they said no" OOCly and it didn't really affect the PK at all, I didn't "bait" you into one cause you sat in PD for so long I still had to lockpick my way in and shoot you which is risky as hell. Also you said ICly "I think your organization placed a hit on me" And I replied ICly "No we cant" lying to you ICly and then I explained why OOCly. So even if you did come out, the "lie" was also IC, I just explained it OOCly. Also me telling you "i just saw you and tried talking to you but you left lol, hop back in city" Isn't metagame, I just told you to get back into the city, thats all. Overall, nothing OOC affected this PK and it was all IC shit, you we're with us, and then you left. You we're still under Takahashi and so we're the Greeks. Sorry I had to PK you but I gotta yk.

So this illuminates the situation more. You used /looc to lie and say not only that ou weren't going to PK me but that staff had disallowed PKs against Greeks, then immediately turned around to change your clothes and get a gun, then come back and PK me. That behavior should not be allowed on this server, the metagaming behavior should make this PK improper. It should be overturned and the Takahashi should try again, and do it correctly this time.

[Gent]

 

2 minutes ago, EngineerGaming said:

So this illuminates the situation more. You used /looc to lie and say not only that ou weren't going to PK me but that staff had disallowed PKs against Greeks, then immediately turned around to change your clothes and get a gun, then come back and PK me. That behavior should not be allowed on this server, the metagaming behavior should make this PK improper. It should be overturned and the Takahashi should try again, and do it correctly this time.

Uh no. So I was the one that set your PK active way before this PK even happened. I was gonna kill you directly in PD, but you know you just kept kinda leaving, kinda crazy, right? You died cause you left the faction to become a DA. You should've never known that Iris Kostas died, you should never have been sus. You literally hid behind the airlock when I was in PD so clearly you knew smth was up. Stop the BS, you died packwatch.

[EngineerGaming]

1 minute ago, Gent said:

 

Uh no. So I was the one that set your PK active way before this PK even happened. I was gonna kill you directly in PD, but you know you just kept kinda leaving, kinda crazy, right? You died cause you left the faction to become a DA. You should've never known that Iris Kostas died, you should never have been sus. You literally hid behind the airlock when I was in PD so clearly you knew smth was up. Stop the BS, you died packwatch.

I joined the Public Defenders office, I hang out at the police department to catch cases. I go outside all the time, last night I was at the O'Hara tavern for hours with my boss. I switch characters a lot because hours can go by without a single arrest. Conduct a PK properly, come up to me and shoot me. Don't use LOOC and lie about staff denying PK requests to make me not expect it.

[Rem]

This is why we don’t talk about ic things in LOOC.

[Gent]

https://medal.tv/games/garrys-mod/clips/i5aAKIFxBCPw-t_Bb/d1337qRONhT2?invite=cr-MSw1VlosNjEyNjA5MTUs

This is the PK clip, I don't understand what's metagame about it he didn't even lure him out with LOOC he literally lockpicked in and shot him. Like were not even showing the PK clip, you quite literally just stood there and got shot.

Edited June 16 by Gent

[Rem]

You are not allowed to lockpick PD doors like that. It's technically PD raiding. 

[Rem]

PD raided to do a PK

Your appeal has been reviewed and accepted.

Your character has been reinstated and can be used again.

Edited June 16 by Rem