Creature ban appeal

[RealLaCreatura]

Your Character or Steam Name: RealLaCreatura

Your SteamID (Click to retrieve): 76561199311800797

Your Discord ID#:712802630857916458

Reason for ban: RDM x1 (POs)

Length of ban: 1d

Reason for appeal (dispute/apology): Dispute

Why should you be unbanned?: First, this ban is completely invalid, especially during the situation we were in. I was banned for shooting a cop who very clearly saw my friend (I had his f3) commit a felony while we were gearing up. The clip provided to staff was/is trimmed to not include his warning to take off the gear (we were warned before), He also very clearly threatens to arrest him (my friend) and us as a group during the situation. The moderator who took this sit very clearly glosses over such. Most of the people in that group were felons as it was. Here's the penal code to back this up



Is it petty to make a ban appeal over a 1d ban? probably. 


Additional Information (images, videos, etc):
 https://medal.tv/games/garrys-mod/clips/nGkLlZ0A9ZN3prZvF?invite=cr-MSxQYlIsMjUwMzU5MTAz 

[Mickey Lunestra]

We were warned about the vests before, we were even chased and I shot a cop before it https://medal.tv/games/garrys-mod/clips/nGk5e8xUeTibFrfDz?invite=cr-MSw0RG8sMjAyMzEwODI3

[RealLaCreatura]

2 minutes ago, Mickey Lunestra said:

We were warned about the vests before, we were even chased and I shot a cop before it https://medal.tv/games/garrys-mod/clips/nGk5e8xUeTibFrfDz?invite=cr-MSw0RG8sMjAyMzEwODI3

I was also warned again AFTER that

 

[lJustMikel]

Hello! I was the Moderator that had handled your ban, and my reasoning below-..

Here's the Original Clipped provided during the Staff Ticket:
https://medal.tv/games/garrys-mod/clips/nGkLlZ0A9ZN3prZvF?invite=cr-MSw0VkEsMzIwMzA5ODQw\n\nOG

Plus the Extended Clip
https://medal.tv/games/garrys-mod/clips/nGlGXZdpYOHoY_8tG?invite=cr-MSxVeXEsMzIwMzA5ODQw

16. You may attack Officers if they attempt to Arrest/Detain you or a member of your group, knowing that an arrest or detainment would lead to a FELONY charge (Having illegal guns/drugs/etc.) You are PK active after shooting/killing an officer.

-What is considered an attempt to arrest / detain you:

• Attempting to handcuff you
• Verbally telling you, you are being detained / arrested ("You are being detained", "You are under arrest")
• Firing their tazer at you
• Pointing their gun at you and ordering you to surrender/stop moving/get down/turn around. (Fear RP basically) (Telling you to LEAVE is not an arrest/detainment)

Asking you for ID / Licenses is NOT a detainment / arrest; nor is simply questioning you, giving you a lawful order or threatening to arrest you. ("Leave or you will be arrested") (etc.)

15. In the same vein there are still times when you can't shoot police and it would be considered RDM. You may not KOS Police for no reason. They must be specifically targeting you or a faction member for arrest/takedown. You may not kill Officers for simply pulling you over or writing you a traffic citation. You may not kill Officers for giving you a lawful order. (Leave the area, put that away, Identify yourself, etc)

  What I mentioned above is Rule 16/15 of the Killing Rules. The officer couldn't be killed at that point because he was only asking you for your ID. Asking for ID by itself isn't a detainment or arrest under the rule. He was trying to identify you, nothing more at that point. If he had asked you to take off the protective equipment and then said you'd be arrested if you refused, that's where things would be different. At that point, you could either comply with him or try to get out of the arrest by taking the officer out.

The order of events should've been pretty simple:

Officer asks for ID → You give your ID → Officer sees you're a felon → Officer warns you about the protective equipment and threatens arrest → You either comply or try to escape the arrest.

You can't really skip straight from being asked for ID to treating it as an active arrest/detainment. Rule 16/15 only comes into play once the officer actually attempts to arrest or detain you. As for the 24-hour ban, you've already had two previous POs from other Staff Members. This is your first actual ban, so I didn't think a long ban was necessary, but with the previous POs in mind. Because of that, I felt 24 hours was the fair middle ground for the situation.

Edited 50 minutes ago by lJustMikel
Adding another clip into the post

[Drakarus]

Not about being petty its about removing the PO - Look what happens when you get too many po's even for BS bans. It comes back on ya if you dont appeal it