Dead Drop Boxes

[KingJewMonaclu]

Oftentimes, in criminal enterprises, the actual selling of drugs is done through a system of dead drops. So, on the server, I think it'd be really cool to reflect that, and I have some fun twists to balance cops and criminals in this case.

 

A dead drop, in the server, would just be a box that can be placed ONLY INSIDE of actual properties. Therefore, using the box would have direct risk of getting a property seized. There could be up to 3 dead drop boxes/lockers inside a property at once. These would be used by criminals to perform crew deals without having to meet up with eachother. This might seemed overpowered at first, so there's some things that would be used to balance the risk and reward of such a system. 

Firstly, the boxes/lockers should only be able to be accessed by the party who owns the box when it hits *capacity*. This would discourage use for every day drug deals - i.e. your average rumour trades of 5 or less. You could additionally restrict it to having to be 2 or more lockers filled before access is granted to the property owners.

Secondly, the boxes could only be placed *inside* of properties. I.e. inside of your legal property, thats attached to one of your guys' names. If the property is raided for these dead drops, then all of the drugs inside would be attached to your properties. This is an added risk that actually sets properties as valid targets, that *can* finally be seized for conduct, as currently its very rare that a property is seized.

Thirdly, restrict the boxes to only drugs. That way joe shmo can't fill it up with random items to hit capacity to let the property access it.

 

Tactics for criminals:
Obviously the risk would be high. However, there's a good reason to do it. You dont directly get caught if it goes to shit. Your properties at risk, but your men are safe. You can rebuild, maybe get the property back. Most factions have 2 properties, one they use and one they dont. The risk would be losing a property you're probably not even using. Additionally, you could restrict it with other factions to be only used by HC of other factions. So, if your doing a deal with Cassanos, have a capo+ deliver the product. They gather it on their side, and the associates who could be police dont know where it goes unless they do some actual detective work to implicate it. (i.e. follow them, gain access themselves, etc).

Tactics for police:
While it may be more difficult to get into crew deals, there's still possibilities to do so. Gaining access or information somehow of these dead drops and their usage. This would restrict their warrants to literally the time that the drop happens, reducing ability of associates to metagame or randomly "guess" that a crew deals going on in a room, causing a raid, because there's "a bunch of people in there". You could get into it somehow inside the criminal organization, you could track the movements of the person who receives all of the drugs, you could somehow get someone to snitch on it. Then, when you have evidence and a warrant, all you gotta do is raid it and get the boxes unlocked.

 

 

Technicalities of the boxes:
The boxes should only be accessible to take stuff out by the faction members of the faction. Additionally, a passcode would be on the box to restrict random associates from being able to see whats inside, like normal lockers. 

The boxes should be a "Put in only" system for non faction members. This, of course, would be monitored for powergame like normal. The aspect of powergame wouldn't change, because people are able to powergame with or without these boxes. There's no increased risk, and normal monitoring for powergame can occur.

The boxes should be restricted to having stuff taken out only if the box is filled, and the person is a member of the faction and has the code

The boxes should be restricted to 3-5 boxes per building *in addition to* the normal lockers/boxes that the properties currently have (or still restrict it to 5 total i dont care)

The boxes should be restricted to specific kinds of items, as selected by the owning faction. i.e. drugs, guns or clothes

[DopeAsRoe]

I think this is a terrible idea straight up. I like the idea of maybe stashes having an added purpose to double as a drop box but this, no.

The idea of bringing illegal RP in the scale of crew deals into properties where almost every single faction has clear rules defining no criminal activity is to take place in them is silly.

"This is an added risk that actually sets properties as valid targets, that *can* finally be seized for conduct, as currently its very rare that a property is seized."
^ There is a reason property seizure is rare, it's because HC puts rules in place to not do any stupid illegal shit inside their properties! It's not a bad thing that properties you paid a lot for aren't getting snatched by cops left and right.

"Your properties at risk, but your men are safe. You can rebuild, maybe get the property back. Most factions have 2 properties, one they use and one they don't. The risk would be losing a property you're probably not even using." There is so many things wrong with just this sentence alone.

What makes you think people aren't getting killed for getting a property seized??

Most factions pay at least 2 million for a second property. There any many reasons why you would want a second property like a 2nd hiring location, place to meet, events, etc. Saying "Well most people don't use those so might as well risk them being seized" is just . Maybe back when factions could own more than 2 properties, but in this era, no. 

I think the only people that would use this feature are newer factions who maybe don't have an apartment, which again, is not a good thing.

Why would you risk 1 entire property, rather than 1 apartment room. To save some guys? In that case, only do 1 on 1 deals.

tl;dr  Not worth the risk of losing a property (potentially indefinitely). And if caught cops are swarming/seizing your "legal business"  (with HC names likely tied to it), opposed to a shitty apartment room.

[DopeAsRoe]

I do like the idea of dead drops, just not anything related to a factions properties. A actual dead drop shouldn't be connected to any side, like the stashes. This also allows cops to do stake outs on hot dead drops.

[arth]

this would barely be used and a useless addition to the game. devs can put in work on other things like making the drug system better or shi literally anything else on the big ass to do list they have

factions have the risk of losing their 2nd property if they don't open it as new factions or old ones can have it and run it more often/efficiently, so your argument of it being good to use the property they dont use is retarded. like dope said, they spend crazy money and theres rules in place so members dont use the place for illegal shit. you can basically just put lockers in your property restricted with a code and do drug deals there and thats basically the equivalent of your suggestion. its retarded

theres just 2 much of a risk and nobody will be using this if its added in, factions will just stick to using apartments

Edited 23 minutes ago by arth

[KingJewMonaclu]

50 minutes ago, DopeAsRoe said:

I think this is a terrible idea straight up. I like the idea of maybe stashes having an added purpose to double as a drop box but this, no.

The idea of bringing illegal RP in the scale of crew deals into properties where almost every single faction has clear rules defining no criminal activity is to take place in them is silly.

"This is an added risk that actually sets properties as valid targets, that *can* finally be seized for conduct, as currently its very rare that a property is seized."
^ There is a reason property seizure is rare, it's because HC puts rules in place to not do any stupid illegal shit inside their properties! It's not a bad thing that properties you paid a lot for aren't getting snatched by cops left and right.

"Your properties at risk, but your men are safe. You can rebuild, maybe get the property back. Most factions have 2 properties, one they use and one they don't. The risk would be losing a property you're probably not even using." There is so many things wrong with just this sentence alone.

What makes you think people aren't getting killed for getting a property seized??

Most factions pay at least 2 million for a second property. There any many reasons why you would want a second property like a 2nd hiring location, place to meet, events, etc. Saying "Well most people don't use those so might as well risk them being seized" is just . Maybe back when factions could own more than 2 properties, but in this era, no. 

I think the only people that would use this feature are newer factions who maybe don't have an apartment, which again, is not a good thing.

Why would you risk 1 entire property, rather than 1 apartment room. To save some guys? In that case, only do 1 on 1 deals.

tl;dr  Not worth the risk of losing a property (potentially indefinitely). And if caught cops are swarming/seizing your "legal business"  (with HC names likely tied to it), opposed to a shitty apartment room.

thats the great thing about the feature is that its *optional*, your own personal risk assessment of use does not invalidate the utility of the option.

[arth]

8 minutes ago, KingJewMonaclu said:

thats the great thing about the feature is that its *optional*, your own personal risk assessment of use does not invalidate the utility of the option.

optional or not, its a useless update that nobody will use

Edited just now by arth