Charles Bewford PK Appeal

[yokehaka]

Name of Character: Charles Bewford

SteamID: STEAM_0:0:33905900 

Your Discord ID#: a1o5441

Date of PK: 06/07/2025

Reason for PK: No Clue

Why should you be unPK'd? What server rule or PK rule was violated?:
PK was 2 weeks after getting removed from the faction. My request was accepted by HC and I was directly told I would be able to keep my character, which I decided to do later when Robert McCloskey offered to allow me to Co-Counsel on his case.
I never processed any drugs or did any rumour trades. For all intent and purposes, I had no clue the products purchased were illegal products. I was never directly told they were illegal, or anything of the sort.
I never left the faction myself. I asked if I could retire, and was told I could keep the character in case I decided to use it later. Had a good opportunity, and more than two weeks later I died randomly. I've been building this character up to be a Judicial Official. 


If possible please provide video evidence or photo evidence if PK does not follow the guidelines:
 

[allenk]

Hello I am the one in the screenshot you posted. You originally talked about retiring which to me is an understanding that you just don’t want to play with the faction anymore at that time, but maybe in the future. Yes I stated “we will not kill you”. This was stated with the thought that you would just be retiring, not that you would leave the faction after touching drugs already and being promoted multiple times. I should have been more specific when I said if you want to use the char in the future, this was more a way of me saying if you wanted to come back to the Cassanos you have a character already with money etc. Sorry for the misunderstanding but it is generally known if you are in a faction and promoted to a position where you are trusted to do drugs and other criminal things that you can not just leave after being involved with that faction in a criminal way. If factions just let people leave after being involved criminally it is a big risk and stress that is unneeded. Sorry for the misunderstanding again, I’ll let the admins decide from here and do as they please. 

[Canadian-bacon]

Can you please elaborate on the orders given, according to the hit reason it was for "being caught handling drugs when told not to" and "failing to pay kick ups" the orders did not mention his retiring nor had this person physically left the faction at this time @allenk

Moreover can you point to the specific instances these orders are referencing?

[allenk]

I wasn’t the one who gave the orders which I’m sure you know. A few of the people within the faction had stated they recognized he was no longer in the faction. I then stated to the people above me that he had said he retired, but that he never specifically stated that he would leave faction. I’ll have “Saint” who is the one who gave the orders reply here. 

[yokehaka]

I just want to clarify that I never left the faction myself. I logged in one day after getting the OK to leave and noticed I was a civilian.

[CobraKaiChampion]

42 minutes ago, Canadian-bacon said:

Can you please elaborate on the orders given, according to the hit reason it was for "being caught handling drugs when told not to" and "failing to pay kick ups" the orders did not mention his retiring nor had this person physically left the faction at this time @allenk

Moreover can you point to the specific instances these orders are referencing?

I gave the orders. So when we hire people and they are whitelisted they gain access to our racket. We make it clear they are not to touch said racket and to just purchase oil. We have been doing it this way for years ever since I started. 

Him saying he didnt know Heroin was an illegal product is well.. absurd. Maybe he didnt process it. But it sounds to me he admitted here in his appeal that he purchased them. 

 

Furthermore, not coming into the city and missing kickups multiple times, just to claim he is retiring is a way people just obtain access to a racket and avoid paying dues to the faction. 

Furthermore he wanted to remove himself from the whitelist but still wanted to be around in the city which makes him a liability to us.

 

When you join a faction you agree to the risks and agree to terms that you are subject to PKs. 

 

Hope this clear things up

Edited 15 hours ago by CobraKaiChampion

[yokehaka]

29 minutes ago, CobraKaiChampion said:

I gave the orders. So when we hire people and they are whitelisted they gain access to our racket. We make it clear they are not to touch said racket and to just purchase oil. We have been doing it this way for years ever since I started. 

Him saying he didnt know Heroin was an illegal product is well.. absurd. Maybe he didnt process it. But it sounds to me he admitted here in his appeal that he purchased them. 

 

Furthermore, not coming into the city and missing kickups multiple times, just to claim he is retiring is a way people just obtain access to a racket and avoid paying dues to the faction. 

Furthermore he wanted to remove himself from the whitelist but still wanted to be around in the city which makes him a liability to us.

 

Hope this clear things up

I asked and got approval to leave & keep my character from a Leader. I did not owe dues, I was not part of the faction. While I was a member, I used oil money to pay kickups twice and get promoted to the appropriate rank to be able to purchase and sell / trade the H as told by my CoC. I never traded, sold, bartered, or processed any drugs outside of the 9H which I only placed an order for, picked up, and stored away.

I was clearly marked as a civilian and unable to purchase the H for over two weeks, I'm absolutely certain of that.

I didn't want to "remove myself" from the whitelist. I genuinely did not see a reason to keep playing anymore until I got the DOH and legal counsel roles I currently have. At the time McCloskey asked for a character to choose, Charles was the only one I had that wasn't associated with some faction or being used specifically as a civilian only character with a BAR-ID. This wasn't some ploy, just a happy coincidence.

I also want to point out that Charles is Co-Counsel on Price-V-PBA and has been waiting along with Counsel for awhile now for a case to get resolved. I don't know how much relevance that plays here, but I felt it necessary to point out.

*EDIT* As far as I can remember, I did not remove myself from the faction. I logged one day and was surprised when I saw Bewford was a Civilian.
*EDIT2* As stated in my DMs, I offered to give them the H and pretty much all of my money. They did not seem bothered by it and just let me keep them.

Edited 14 hours ago by yokehaka

[CobraKaiChampion]

11 minutes ago, yokehaka said:

I asked and got approval to leave & keep my character from a Leader. I did not owe dues, I was not part of the faction. While I was a member, I used oil money to pay kickups twice and get promoted to the appropriate rank to be able to purchase and sell / trade the H as told by my CoC. I never traded, sold, bartered, or processed any drugs outside of the 9H which I only placed an order for, picked up, and stored away.

I was clearly marked as a civilian and unable to purchase the H for over two weeks, I'm absolutely certain of that.

I didn't want to "remove myself" from the whitelist. I genuinely did not see a reason to keep playing anymore until I got the DOH and legal counsel roles I currently have. At the time McCloskey asked for a character to choose, Charles was the only one I had that wasn't associated with some faction or being used specifically as a civilian only character with a BAR-ID. This wasn't some ploy, just a happy coincidence.

I also want to point out that Charles is Co-Counsel on Price-V-PBA and has been waiting along with Counsel for awhile now for a case to get resolved. I don't know how much relevance that plays here, but I felt it necessary to point out.

*EDIT* As far as I can remember, I did not remove myself from the faction. I logged one day and was surprised when I saw Bewford was a Civilian.
*EDIT2* As stated in my DMs, I offered to give them the H and pretty much all of my money. They did not seem bothered by it and just let me keep them.

Again, as Allen stated, he thought you were retiring. Not wanting to leave but remain in the city.

Once you are in the drug trade, there is no option to leave the faction. He also isnt the decision maker. You were deemed a risk, and killed for it. 

Nobody removed you on our end of things from the faction and made you a civilian. 

As Allen put it, you werent given permission to leave. Which means in the mean time you also failed to pay kickups during this time. 

[gozmouz]

Hi, i deemed the orders given valid as you had the means to pay dues and didnt. I will say in the future the the people who created the PK ticket make sure to include all of your reasons to avoid confusion like this. When you have access to a factions drug racket you are a liability and locked in to your responsibilities (Kickups), and failure to pay them can result in your death.

[allenk]

Want to point out as well that the orders were given on 5/31 well within the two week time frame if you left the day you messaged me on discord or any date after that. Again I think CobraKai summed up everything pretty well based off of what I also stated. Like I said originally above this is all up to the admins discretion and I’m sure they will come to whatever conclusion best fits the server rules. 

[yokehaka]

3 minutes ago, CobraKaiChampion said:

Again, as Allen stated, he thought you were retiring. Not wanting to leave but remain in the city.

Once you are in the drug trade, there is no option to leave the faction. He also isnt the decision maker. You were deemed a risk, and killed for it. 

Nobody removed you on our end of things from the faction and made you a civilian. 

As Allen put it, you werent given permission to leave. Which means in the mean time you also failed to pay kickups during this time. 

How can I owe dues to a faction I'm not a member of? I didn't remove myself.

"Alright, not gonna kill you. Just keep your char in case you want to use it in the future."
That is clear permission.

 

Just now, gozmouz said:

Hi, i deemed the orders given valid as you had the means to pay dues and didnt. I will say in the future the the people who created the PK ticket make sure to include all of your reasons to avoid confusion like this. When you have access to a factions drug racket you are a liability and locked in to your responsibilities (Kickups), and failure to pay them can result in your death.

Again, I was a Civilian who had permission to leave and was directly told they were not going to kill me.
I was forced into the Civilian faction.

 

1 minute ago, allenk said:

Want to point out as well that the orders were given on 5/31 well within the two week time frame if you left the day you messaged me on discord or any date after that. Again I think CobraKai summed up everything pretty well based off of what I also stated. Like I said originally above this is all up to the admins discretion and I’m sure they will come to whatever conclusion best fits the server rules. 

I left the Discord after I got the OK to leave and the Discord plus in game roles were taken from me.
Genuinely if you guys wanted to kill me I was OK with it if you were upfront with me. I was going to give you the money, the H, everything I had earned if that's what you wanted. But it's been over 2 weeks since you turned down the offer and somehow removed me from the faction. Clearly it didn't matter to you until afterwards and you noticed I was doing something with the character.

[Canadian-bacon]

Sorry but I am still not understanding the logic here. Especially since you were ok with him leaving then seemingly changed your mind.

If drug handling was the issue where was the instance or proof of him being 'caught with narcotics' ?

He joined the Cassanos on 5/15 and then paid kickups of 25k on 5/18.

Then on 5/20 he indicated he wanted to leave which was permitted. 

On 5/23 a ticket was made by a Cassano to have him un-whitelisted.

Then on 5/31 dons orders were issued for him when:

1. He did not physically leave the faction on his own accord (unwl ticket was made)

2. Was up to date on kick ups (25k for 5 days on WL)

3. Was not actively snitching or working against the faction.

 

Why the sudden change 8 days later?

[allenk]

There was a misunderstanding we did not know that he was removed from the faction due to an unwhitelist ticket. That does change things, overall the situation in our eyes was he asked to retire, which we interpreted as retire and stay in faction which I stated above we never gave him permission to leave, we then see him on civilian whitelist and thought that he had just clicked F1 Leave Faction which was a risk in our eyes and we do not allow people to leave after they are involved criminally. This is a mistake on our part in terms of the person just unwhitelisting someone like that without letting us know and we are very sorry for the confusion and hassle this has caused. We will take into account the wording of orders and reasonings to make sure there are no confusions in the future and this does not happen again.