pk appeal

[Gent]

Name of Character: John Soprano

SteamID: 76561198316133872

Your Discord ID#: 453304483011887126

Date of PK: 4/22

Reason for PK: Died during raid? 

Why should you be unPK'd? What server rule or PK rule was violated?: I never raided? I had keys, I walked in, I never went upstairs nor to any "special areas" we placed trash, we tried to leave they just stood there blocking us from leaving, then they killed aimed guns at us, killed my friend, so I shot them killed one then died? The Imperial safehouse was also never stated to me, it was only the "Jewish Bank". Also from my knowledge a faction leader needs to approve a raid on a property which did not happen so at most it would be RDM? And if I did raid to kill a "HIHG COMMAND MEMBER" which is the main point of a safehouse would Crocie also not be killed since he died?

TLDR:  I literally just unlocked the door, I mean I don't understand how that's considered a raid lol.
But anyway my main thing is they shot first, I had keys, didn't let us leave, didn't give us warnings to leaves, imperial being a safehouse was never communicated to me, "Raid" was never sanctioned, etc.

 

Sidenote; after rewatching the clip it looks although there could POSSIBLY be somesort of metagame going on via their side but idk just seemed odd to me

If possible please provide video evidence or photo evidence if PK does not follow the guidelines: uh long clip so i gotta stream 

Edited 5 hours ago by Gent

[Gent]

There was also no intent TO raid, or to KIll literally just drop trash, walk out, along with the faction I'm in information is mostly only told to Made+ but the thing is how can someone be PK'ed for a rule during this esclation that was never directly informed to them if this would be "classified" as a raid. Nobody ever told me ICly or through discord "Imperials a safehouse", nobody even told me what a safehouse is I had to find that vague information on my own as it wasn't posted anywhere that I could have access to.

 

Also CLip

https://medal.tv/games/garrys-mod/clips/k8QWOplLYNtb7mwtX?invite=cr-MSxBQ2csOTA3MjI4OA

[Canadian-bacon]

I'll reiterate the points made when i spoke to Happy.

- Safehouses were established as part of the conflict escalation as agree'ed on by both alliances. It aims to provide protected buildings for each side to hide high command members who may be subject to hits during the conflict. Both sides were made clear that if a raid or shootout occurs on a safehouse it can and will be a pk for the attackers whereas non safehouses can be raided without the regular consequence of a pk. What the two safehouses were should and would have been communicated to you by your faction leader.

Several points were brought up.

- They had keys

- They had a room there (hence the keys)

- They didn't start the shooutout!

When the conflict started the owners of the imperial requested all Gambino keys were removed from their doors and for some reason they weren't taken off the front doors, either due to an error or a saving issue. With that being said, knowing you had no reason or business to have keys to that building instead of reporting the issue to get it resolved you abused the fact you had them to gain access to a building you shouldn't have had. Causing issue and getting killed, then using the key excuse as a way to get out of it instead?

A point was made that having the keys were valid because the faction had a room there, but when i asked what the code for the doors were no one was able to produce the correct code for the month of April, proving that argument to be null; or argued in bad faith.

Now, whether you had keys or not, the main issue is the undeniable fact that you went to an opposing safehouse, with the direct intention of starting a problem (dropping trash) and when confronted attempted to leave and then escalated via punching them. From any other perspective how else is that meant to be perceived other than an attack on a safehouse? They don't know your intention, they don't know if the raid is sanctioned or not, you could have been scouting out looking for one of their HC members to PK for all they know. You can't go and start a gun fight at an opposing safehouse then say "ope well it was actually just RDM" or "yea well but i have keys so its ok"

In your own clip you clearly coordinate the dumping of the trash, and also use /y to yell asking"u got keys??" + had jew curls on, pretending to be an employee there, pretty evident you two went to drop trash, draw attention to it, then when they pressed Gallo you were going to shoot and wipe them.

The only logical explanation is you were somehow unaware it was a safehouse (Which means you're blaming your faction leader) or simply believed because you had keys / it wasn't a 'sanctioned raid' you could avoid the pk.

As for the metagame claim the clip provided by the opposing individual clearly shows them deafened in discord and directly witnessing you enter and drop the trash, so no proof of metagame to be had.

 

If the roles were reversed and the opposing alliance had done the same sort of dumping -> shootout on your safehouses then the result would be the same, that person would be pk'ed. It's pretty evident when the situation is fully explained it becomes obvious as to why this happened, rather than throwing around hearsay accusations.