PK Appeal

[Medinator]

Name of Character: Danny Costava

SteamID: STEAM_0:1:63855153 

Your Discord ID#: Medinator

Date of PK: 4/7/25

Reason for PK: Mugging

Why should you be unPK'd? What server rule or PK rule was violated?: It was a targeted/baited mugging as admitted in general chat and there isn't an escalation level set where targeting mugging is allowed. they only mugged me because of my position in altoviti and as per guidelines this cannot occur without level 3 escalation (the guy leading/initiated the mug (taking out his gun and calling me to stop moving) wasn't even a main character & mugged me when he just got  unbanned, as you can see in the clip there's a whole squad of people waiting in the back alley once i enter the backroom, the same person doing all of this has a huge reputation of mass mugging, metagaming and having consistent incidents like this.

tbh i for real thought he was calling out the black guy to stop and hands up to get the items back 

If possible please provide video evidence or photo evidence if PK does not follow the guidelines: 

https://medal.tv/games/garrys-mod/clips/k2GbBKohltQyyUsQQ?invite=cr-MSxNb3osMTA4NDA5NjAw (edited)

 < admission of it being ordered/targeted

everyone was advised that during this time of conflict, you should be remaining on your main characters during any sort of escalation related things. Target mug or not, IXCrazy, known mass mugger and known for his mugging characters, was not on his main character, thats weird ey? But then if you look at the other people "involved" (only one other person was involved technically, the guy with the gun at the backdoor) are all on their main characters wowwww!!!! Weird.... Also a little weird how metagame accusations are being thrown by IXCrazy here, yet, the guy who baits the theft of the item, then running to the back room, has zero voice comms whatsoever. The only person who spoke in this entire situation is the guy who is on an alt character, mugging someone who is directly involved in the conflict going on the server right now. So, it is safe to say IXCrazy orchestrated this thing, and did it fully on his own volition.

Crazy is a known mass mugger and known for his mugging characters
He says in this thread, he was given orders to mug
He was on an alternative character, while completing these orders to mug ^^
Crazy is sprinting, not giving me a chance to understand whats happening (Is he mugging me, or the guy who just stole his suit??)
Didn't even remotely bother closing the door or getting me to a more secluded area (No intent to mug, purely PK-hunting) (With other factors obviously, how fast he shot, the set-up plan is made for pking not mugging, why Crazy is sprinting to potentially hide his 'pointed gun' animation, etc....)
Crazy is the only actual mugger here (Other gun was on safety the entire time, and no commands given)
Black man is 100% metagaming considering not a singular word was said (no proof tho, so don't act on this)

Re-enforce the whole "you must be on your main character during this conflict" ruling.
Tell Crazy to stop fucking sprinting like a spastic during mugging because no one can see if you're pointing a gun at them or if its on safety....
PKs are not always clear cut and dry, there's a lot of factors and not every single one of them follows the rules, the only blatantly clear ones are VCWP (did you or did you not hit a cop), during this time of conflict and the large list of things that Crazy is doing wrong in this mug aren't that obvious, but they do still exist, and that's why we're all here today on this thread. 

There are several ways you may initiate a mugging, the following actions can be considered initiation of a mugging:
- Attempting to Zip tie someone [Does not apply if you BAIT people into tying you by saying they may or by stealing their items, therefore forcing them to tie you to retrieve them.]
- Holding someone at gunpoint with the intention of mugging them
- Holding someone at gunpoint to pull them to a secluded location for a mugging
- Holding someone at gunpoint and ordering them to drop cash / items
Note that you must have a valid reason to place someone under FearRP (See FearRP rules), initiating a mugging is a valid reason to hold someone under fear RP. That being said, you may not avoid punishment of dying in a mugging by claiming you were only holding them at gunpoint and not mugging them; since that would then invalidate the fear rp reason and become fail RP, at which point you'd be subject to the same punishment as if you died in the mugging.

Edited April 9 by Medinator

[money blue]

On a more serious note, you weren’t mugged due to the escalation between the two alliances. You were mugged due to all the shit talking you do and even coming into businesses on your DANNY COSTAVA character and generally just minging around, multiple IC photos of you were taken. 

Also, the mug was approved by a member of upper administration.

[ix_crazy_xi]

1 hour ago, Medinator said:

Name of Character: Danny Costava

SteamID: STEAM_0:1:63855153 

Your Discord ID#: Medinator

Date of PK: 4/7/25

Reason for PK: Mugging

Why should you be unPK'd? What server rule or PK rule was violated?: It was a targeted/baited mugging as admitted in general chat and there isn't an escalation level set where targeting mugging is allowed. they only mugged me because of my position in altoviti and as per guidelines this cannot occur without level 3 escalation (the guy leading/initiated the mug (taking out his gun and calling me to stop moving) wasn't even a main character & mugged me when he just got  unbanned, as you can see in the clip there's a whole squad of people waiting in the back alley once i enter the backroom, the same person doing all of this has a huge reputation of mass mugging, metagaming and having consistent incidents like this.

 

If possible please provide video evidence or photo evidence if PK does not follow the guidelines: 

https://medal.tv/games/garrys-mod/clips/k2GbBKohltQyyUsQQ?invite=cr-MSxNb3osMTA4NDA5NjAw (edited)

 < admission of it being ordered 

Lowkey silly 

Pizzle had no corralation towards this mug, We was given the order to mug you for the reason 

"Coming round to the deli, making fun of jews, mingeing on our property, not leaving when being told to leave and being a bitch" 

I would also like to add that this was a valid mug. There weren't any NPCs in the line of sight when I started putting you under Fear RP 

This also had nothing to do with the Escalation Between the alliances. And what I find funny is how you join a Discord call during your clip.

Edited April 8 by ix_crazy_xi

[MrlogicNova]

Hello.
I was apart of the mugging that caused your PK. may i add through seconds 30 to 33 you can hear you joining a discord call i find it strange that me being tasked with cleaning up the scene and the casings is troubled by two cops. Two cops that seem to have characters inside your faction may i also add they arrived before the body spawned Both trey reed and Isiah Borgen have altoviti Characters 
and they constantly where running in and out of the clothing store.

 Im gonna dummer this down You get killed at clothing store two cops in your faction show up after you join a discord VC that just sounds like blatant Metagaming. You screwed up going in the back room you screwed up not compiling you Severely screwed up telling ur friends in a discord VC.

This is a message to UA in this Comment Please check the Logs of when these two cops Changed to there characters.

Right before the mugging none of them where on there chars at all.. this image proves this 

[Bullets]

[MrlogicNova]

I'm also going to say this THE second you Died all game audio cuts out and you can hear a discord Ping you obviously Alt Tabbed the second you died

[Davis]

37 minutes ago, MrlogicNova said:

Hello.
I was apart of the mugging that caused your PK. may i add through seconds 30 to 33 you can hear you joining a discord call i find it strange that me being tasked with cleaning up the scene and the casings is troubled by two cops. Two cops that seem to have characters inside your faction may i also add they arrived before the body spawned Both trey reed and Isiah Borgen have altoviti Characters 
and they constantly where running in and out of the clothing store.

 Im gonna dummer this down You get killed at clothing store two cops in your faction show up after you join a discord VC that just sounds like blatant Metagaming. You screwed up going in the back room you screwed up not compiling you Severely screwed up telling ur friends in a discord VC.

This is a message to UA in this Comment Please check the Logs of when these two cops Changed to there characters.

Right before the mugging none of them where on there chars at all.. this image proves this 

the people who ended up cleaning the crime scene were both Underground Association members as they turned the body of the guy you killed into a gif. If UA is gonna investigate any meta gaming cops I dont think it'll be on our side.

Edit after the fact: I was wrong turned out it was commission people just assumed cause of the pictures

Edited April 8 by Davis

[Davis]

8 minutes ago, MrlogicNova said:

I'm also going to say this THE second you Died all game audio cuts out and you can hear a discord Ping you obviously Alt Tabbed the second you died

He was deafened in VC someone just joined his channel

Edited April 8 by Davis

[money blue]

1 minute ago, Davis said:

He was deafened in VC someone just joined his channel

Please don’t comment on any topics your not involved in, thanks!

[MrlogicNova]

13 minutes ago, Davis said:

the people who ended up cleaning the crime scene were both Underground Association members as they turned the body of the guy you killed into a gif. If UA is gonna investigate any meta gaming cops I dont think it'll be on our side.

The people who cleaned up the body where all in the same faction as us same whitelist and everything and i was one of them you can check logs i tried picking up the casings. but Please dont comment on topics you are not apart of.

Clarification
I was at the mugging I volunteered myself to pick up the casings and they where crim chars.

Edited April 8 by MrlogicNova
Clarify Something

[Medinator]

https://divergenet.works/topic/704-pk-appeal-hanzo-zenosha/#comment-3567

 

1 hour ago, money blue said:

You were mugged due to all the shit talking you do

So you admit it was a targeted mug you had no intent of robbing me you had already taken the clothing you just had the literal hope that id die which is the literal definition of "PK baiting" 

you knew beforehand i had nothing of value 

1 hour ago, money blue said:

the mug was approved by a member of upper administration.

Nubsniping logged the pk, no escalation ticket was created beforehand 

Edited April 8 by Medinator

[Boomroasted]

Your appeal has been reviewed and denied.

We have determined this PK to be reasonable and/or justified.

You may not re-appeal this PK.

Ill first state that this kill was not coming from any escalation from any current conflictions going on in the server. This kill was not approved prior by UA as Money Blue alluded to above, but with that being said I will break down kill.

Evidence was shown that you had been harassing the Kosher Deli multiple times and clearly had pissed some people off. So yes, you were a target, but there is a difference between targeting a faction for a mug, versus targeting an individual for a mugging because of his actions. While escalation rules may dictate the appropriate time a faction can target an enemy faction with mugging, the two factions are currently not at an escalation level, thus making your claim null and void.

The muggers were on main characters, and YOU decided to chase them to a secluded location which on the mugging map is a “mug where you stand” location. Upon entering the back room you were confronted with guns to your face with the verbal command to put your hands up which would place you under FearRp. As stated in the rules : “Note that you must have a valid reason to place someone under FearRP (See FearRP rules), initiating a mugging is a valid reason to hold someone under fear RP”. If you read item 9 under mugging rules, it states: There are several ways you may initiate a mugging, the following actions can be considered initiation of a mugging:
- Attempting to Zip tie someone [Does not apply if you BAIT people into tying you by saying they may or by stealing their items, therefore forcing them to tie you to retrieve them.]
- Holding someone at gunpoint with the intention of mugging them
- Holding someone at gunpoint to pull them to a secluded location for a mugging

Thus making this a valid initiation of a mugging, as they were attempting for you to go back into the back room. You turn to leave and another verbal command of get back here was given, which was clearly heard in the clip that was provided.

If we continue down to item 10 of the mugging rules it sates:

When can you kill someone in a mugging for it to be considered a PK?
- You must FIRST, properly initiate a mugging (See Mugging Rule 9.)
- They attempt to flee while you have them at gunpoint/fear rp. (Does not apply if you disengage fear rp. See fear rp rules)
- They attempt to fight back while you have them at gunpoint/fear rp. (Does not apply if you disengage fear rp. See fear rp rules)
- They attempt to move or avoid being restrained while you tie them under fear rp.
- If they disobey direct orders multiple times (while under fear rp) which leads to complications in the mugging. ex: Refuses to stay still and moves one or two steps at a time to try and escape, refuses to stop talking leading to someone overhearing the mugging. 
- They do not obey a reasonable demand in a reasonable amount of time. ex: Ordering them to follow you (while under fear RP) and refusing to move after several requests and a reasonable amount of time to obey, effectively stalling the mugging to be discovered.

If we follow down the chain of events, the mugging was initiated correctly, you were brought under FearRp correctly, you decided to attempt to flee while you were under gunpoint/fearrp, thus making you PK active. As I stated previously, this was not done in any regards to any faction escalation, but you decided to test your luck and harass a business and they choose to mug you as a response, and during this mug your choices led to this being an acceptable PK.

https://medal.tv/games/garrys-mod/clips/k1SV3CsOTlU5P_bDC?invite=cr-MSxpTHMsMzMwODc5MDY

https://medal.tv/games/garrys-mod/clips/k32TSLs19TSuLOdCV?invite=cr-MSwwblcsMzMwODc5MDY

Edited April 9 by Boomroasted